Ranged Attack
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Ranged Attack
If shooting for TP on Cor and acc is not taken into consideration which is better. Faith Torq or Justice Torq?
Faith since it gives you both acc and attack and most CORs dont shoot for TP anyways >.> espeically 70+ when you can use Joyeuse, justice should only be used by RNG out of the 2 (Cor and RNG) because it has better acc then COR and thats for WS only anyways lol
Medjai said: Faith since it gives you both acc and attack and most CORs dont shoot for TP anyways >.> espeically 70+ when you can use Joyeuse, justice should only be used by RNG out of the 2 (Cor and RNG) because it has better acc then COR and thats for WS only anyways lol Kinda missed the point - - When Acc is not an issue, like the acc from faith isn't helping (say feint just went up). Also, Cor has to range TP plenty post 70, see anything not called xp pt. And, Gorget for WS onry, neither torq should be used for that. actually yes they can be for RNG Justice is better for WS then gorget is since the 5 STR = about 12 Ranged attack where as the +7 skill only = 6 attack
saying faith because it gives both acc and att where as justice only gives att and a bit less attack,wont help as much for TP helps for WS though but not as much as gorget for COR at least i would think ^^ I'd say Faith for the sake of +skill helping your overall contact and power against higher level monsters. Justice would give a lil more "umph" but for the whole package I'd say Faith.
Medjai said: actually yes they can be for RNG Justice is better for WS then gorget is since the 5 STR = about 12 Ranged attack where as the +7 skill only = 6 attack saying faith because it gives both acc and att where as justice only gives att and a bit less attack,wont help as much for TP helps for WS though but not as much as gorget for COR at least i would think ^^ Wut???? Justice Torque = 5 Str Faith Torque = Marks skill +7 Hope Torque = 5 Agi Archery skill +7 WS Gorget = 10 acc +.1 ftp Justice is never better for WS than gorget, on anything..... ever. No, Justice is not better than Gorget for RNG WS <_<
5str 2.5ratk vs 7ratk is basically Justice vs Faith without accuracy considered. The 5str should win that~ thats why i said justice for WS not for tp =D yet frob cut me down /cry lol
Raenryong said: No, Justice is not better than Gorget for RNG WS <_< 5str 2.5ratk vs 7ratk is basically Justice vs Faith without accuracy considered. The 5str should win that~ Thnx Raen. Any idea what the overall % increase would be? Assuming acc remains the same between the two? Medjai said: thats why i said justice for WS not for tp =D yet frob cut me down /cry lol Which is wrong lol. The question here is 7 Ratt vs 5 Str on tp. Gorget's will whoop both torqs on WS. WS isn't even up for question >;/ Even though you told me to disregard acc as a concern my mind still answered with it in consideration. I change my mind. If acc isn't an issue you want more power. Gogo justice should you ever run into an account where you won't have to worry about missing.
Sidewinder, Low - 1 STR = 4.8 D; 1 RAtk = 2.4 D; 1 AGI = 1.1 D
Sidewinder, High - 1 STR = 6.7 D; 1 RAtk = 2.7 D; 1 AGI = 1.8 D Elemental Gorgets - 1.94% both Hope Torque - 2.28% SW, 0.90% SS Faith Torque - 1.56% SS only Justice Torque - 2.56% SW, 2.41% SS Proof that Justice is better then Justice is better then Gorget thats side winder DMG where the % is for both Slugshot and Sidewinder
and this is for Slugshot
Slug Shot, Low - 1 STR = 4.7 D; 1 RAtk = 2.4 D; 1 AGI = 1.8 D Slug Shot, High - 1 STR = 6.6 D; 1 RAtk = 2.7 D; 1 AGI = 2.5 D Artemicion said: Even though you told me to disregard acc as a concern my mind still answered with it in consideration. I change my mind. If acc isn't an issue you want more power. Gogo justice should you ever run into an account where you won't have to worry about missing. Not a common situation I'll admit, but say something like SCNM BC and the boss's aura has faded and we're doing mini zerg while its down. Feint goes up on the mob and I've already fired a WS + used barrage. In this situation I would be trying to get every ounce of damage out that I can before the aura restores. Medjai said: Sidewinder, Low - 1 STR = 4.8 D; 1 RAtk = 2.4 D; 1 AGI = 1.1 D Sidewinder, High - 1 STR = 6.7 D; 1 RAtk = 2.7 D; 1 AGI = 1.8 D Elemental Gorgets - 1.94% both Hope Torque - 2.28% SW, 0.90% SS Faith Torque - 1.56% SS only Justice Torque - 2.56% SW, 2.41% SS Proof that Justice is better then Justice is better then Gorget Wait, your saying that Sea Gorget will give less than 2% boost to Slugwinder? you still get more dmg from faith for tp i dont have justice but i have hope torque and i notince my TP higer then it was when i used my Qiqrin Collar and collar has +8 ranged attack which is more then Justice would give for TP thats why i say Faith over Justice since with TP its still 2str = 1att/ratt
Medjai said: you still get more dmg from faith for tp i dont have justice but i have hope torque and i notince my TP higer then it was when i used my Qiqrin Collar and collar has +8 ranged attack which is more then Justice would give for TP thats why i say Faith over Justice since with TP its still 2str = 1att/ratt Str on ranged attacks cannot be considered just a straight 2 Str = 1 Ratt, since you have to factor in fstr also. Edit: Also, have you parsed out qirin's vs hope? The difference between the 2 damage wise should be increadibly small. Far too small to notice eye balling. 4 racc 8 ratt vs 5 agi 7 skill. We're talking a difference of like 1 or 2 ratt. That's not eyeballable (lol new word) yes and no lol i didnt make the post where the dmg was parserd. He said that i am just posting what he said im going off what he said about the dmg and such
fSTR2 is the damage bonus/penalty from your STR - monster VIT for ranged attack
It takes roughly 2~3 more STR to increase fSTR2 by 1 depending on how big is your STR - mob VIT value When STR-VIT value is high, fSTR2 can be approximated by (your STR - monster VIT+4)/2 and fSTR2's lower and upper cap values are affected by weapon rank The lower cap of fSTR2 is - (Weapon Rank) x 2. Exceptions: Rank 0 weapons have lower cap -2. Rank 1 weapons have lower cap -3. The upper cap of fSTR2 is ( weapon rank+8) x 2 so actually need more str to raise your ranged attack for tp if i am reading this correct and Fstr isnt the same as Fstr2 Fstr is melee Fstr2 is for Ranged attack
God I really need to sit down one day and learn the maths of this crap.
hahah these post are for RNGs on the dmg % and such but im sure it should be the same for COR just a bit lower dmg of course but all in all Faith > justice because it gives more ratt and racc even though you dont want, Qiqrin Collar might do more dmg for tp if the Racc and Ratt fall under then 200+ skill times .9 like melee skill does if it does qiqrin does like 1.7 more dmg then faith >.> lol ok im gonna stfu because that might confuserate (confuse) you even more.
Medjai said: hahah these post are for RNGs on the dmg % and such but im sure it should be the same for COR just a bit lower dmg of course but all in all Faith > justice because it gives more ratt and racc even though you dont want, Qiqrin Collar might do more dmg for tp if the Racc and Ratt fall under then 200+ skill times .9 like melee skill does if it does qiqrin does like 1.7 more dmg then faith >.> lol ok im gonna stfu because that might confuserate (confuse) you even more. Lol I understand everything you are saying. Yes, Qiqrin will give a minute amount of damage increase, but is it worth the 300k price tage for 1~2 damage increase? Also, both torques will give more acc than qiqrin. As raen said though, 5 Str > 7 ratt I don't see how it's below 2%... it's 2% exactly.
+0.1fTP on a 5 fTP base is 0.1/5 (= 1/50 = 2/100). 5STR is +2.5fSTR2 or 2.5/125~ when we factor in everything which is 2%~. When you factor in the ratk gained you win by approximately 0.025% and sacrifice 10racc for it which is far from a good tradeoff. 5str is +2.5fSTR on TP which'll probably end up as 2.5/110 using Ebow and taking fSTR2 as 5, or +2.27%. 4.5ratk is ~4.5/450 assuming a 450 ratk base, so ~1% so net gain = +1.27%~. If ratk is lower this will be a smaller net gain and note that it's not fSTR +2.5 but 2 OR 3, I'm just averaging it. Likewise ratk. Just realised that post is messy, typing it while playing DRG in a birdy party :( lemme know if you need it restructured/rephrased etc.
hes not useing bow raen hes using im guessing corsairs gun or maybe shark gun since thats what i have seen most cors use, or are you talking about for rngs lol
Shark Gun + Steel Bullet is 8~ D above Ebow+Demon so just take 0.1-0.2% away from the increases in damage through fSTR2~
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