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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-06-25 13:45:36
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Really? Let's not even narrow this down to the abortion debate and include all science-related debate (climate change, evolution in schools, stem cell research, etc.). You would really simplify it all down to 'both sides are equally bad' when it's been shown time and time again that Congressional Republicans have little no understanding of modern science and go so far as to codify this their stupidity into laws?
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By Sylph.Rebo 2013-06-25 13:49:14
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Republican, Texas. Nuff said.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-06-25 13:51:22
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Liberals do it too: see GMOs, austism and vaccines...there is however a distinctly different character that comes out of the related proposed legislation.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2013-06-25 13:55:38
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Liberals do it too: see GMOs, austism and vaccines...there is however a distinctly different character that comes out of the related proposed legislation.

What? Or who?
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-06-25 13:55:55
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Really? Let's not even narrow this down to the abortion debate and include all science-related debate (climate change, evolution in schools, stem cell research, etc.). You would really simplify it all down to 'both sides are equally bad' when it's been shown time and time again that Congressional Republicans have little no understanding of modern science and go so far as to codify this their stupidity into laws?

Oh I'm not saying that Repubicans OR Democrats have any public understanding of modern science, I'm saying they BOTH tend to characterize thier opinion as being scientific or factual when it rarely is objectively either.

I will say that Republicans are incredibly good at denying the legitimacy or existance of things that are sticking out of their own noses.

Hearing someone like Bill O'Reilly say that Intelligent Design should be presented as a theory in the science classroom makes me Jackie Chan meme...
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-06-25 14:11:28
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Liberals do it too: see GMOs, austism and vaccines...there is however a distinctly different character that comes out of the related proposed legislation.

Damn that Asperger's Disease!!!
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-06-25 14:27:57
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Liberals do it too: see GMOs, austism and vaccines...there is however a distinctly different character that comes out of the related proposed legislation.

what Idon't like about liberals is when thier science is dead on vis-a-vie smoking, ect. Now it's our divine (granted through science) mission to impose our thoughts and wills on you. it's ***. I understand it kills the poor & clogs up our hospitals with fools who can't pay thier bills, but isn't that what Obama care is for? now that we have that, for the love of ***, quit hassling me.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-06-25 14:32:55
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Siren.Mosin said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Liberals do it too: see GMOs, austism and vaccines...there is however a distinctly different character that comes out of the related proposed legislation.

what Idon't like about liberals is when thier science is dead on vis-a-vie smoking, ect. Now it's our divine (granted through science) mission to impose our thoughts and wills on you. it's ***. I understand it kills the poor & clogs up our hospitals with fools who can't pay thier bills, but isn't that what Obama care is for? now that we have that, for the love of ***, quit hassling me.

Hassling you how specifically? I'm just curious so I can respond appropriately.
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-06-25 14:37:44
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Siren.Mosin said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Liberals do it too: see GMOs, austism and vaccines...there is however a distinctly different character that comes out of the related proposed legislation.

what Idon't like about liberals is when thier science is dead on vis-a-vie smoking, ect. Now it's our divine (granted through science) mission to impose our thoughts and wills on you. it's ***. I understand it kills the poor & clogs up our hospitals with fools who can't pay thier bills, but isn't that what Obama care is for? now that we have that, for the love of ***, quit hassling me.

Hassling you how specifically? I'm just curious so I can respond appropriately.

I was talking about you specifically, or looking to get a cookie or anything, but thanks for the thought.

I get upwards of 3-4 dollars extra tax on a pack of smokes, have to watch commercials every night with someone all jacked up from cancer, it's just really annoying.

I have my retirement plan & you have yours, can't we just leave it at that?
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-06-25 14:40:19
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Life is good when you can wrap your ideology in the catch phrase "personal responsibility" and rub it in other people's face. How about another take on those words. You don't raise a kid unless you have the means and desires to properly provide for them. At the end of the day, those words are simply a gimmick, thought up by some political think tank, preached by politicians and regurgitated by their sheep. It's how they make their money and keep you in line.

I agree there are a vast number of factors outside of the concept of personal responsibility, but you have to agree there are far too many uninformed or unprepared people having children without the means to take care of them. I can't speak for those people, but from the outside it seems as though that thought had never crossed thier minds.

My wife and I have waited to have children because we don't feel emotionally or financially prepared. We both grew up with limitted means and have worked very hard to get to a point of relative financial security. We don't want our kids to ever have to question why we get food from the foodbank or why a charity brings us Christmas gifts.

The difference is that I don't presume to control someone else's right to have or not have children.

Kinda funny, the town I used to live in would run the "Toys for Tots" charity every Christmas for kids that wouldn't have one otherwise. Then I found out that several of the parents (most of which were living off the government making more money than I did) were going to SEVERAL places to get gifts for their children. Some people would go through my line at Walmart when I worked there and say they got hundreds of dollars of toys for free.. then get 500 dollars worth of junk food with their food stamp card and have another 500 dollars more for the month. Also drove brand new cars, had a good amount of cash on their cards as well (we can see all that when the receipt prints up).

I'm not saying that this story applied to EVERYONE, but the majority of the people in my town that went to those places to get toys it was the same situation.. made me sick enough to not want to donate anything, even to the really needy. A lot of people don't care if they're taking too much, what's best for their own over everyone else!

Thus comes to what I wanted to say: Maybe we should be limiting how many children people can have. From the looks of it, a lot of people will keep having kids and taking all the free stuff they can because they're "entitled" to it. I myself don't want to have kids for a few years at least, I want to be prepared as well and work to support my family, not have someone else do it for me.

Also, it's sad when stuff like THIS makes the news:

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By Siren.Mosin 2013-06-25 14:47:41
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I'd say should all be tied at birth & have to pay to be untied.

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but I'm a heartless ***.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2013-06-25 15:00:59
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How about we try working on educating our populace?

I watched a show where a kid took his girlfriends birth control pills "just in case" (they split the pills up).

A lot of states no longer teach sex ed but teach abstinence instead. This means they have no concept of how birth control works (and when it doesn't, or how many different types there are, etc), properly using condoms or spermicide, and the home grown myths of how you won't get pregnant (pulling put, etc). Coming from FL I never had a sex ed class.

Planned Parenthood tries to help but there were only 5 offices in GA (3 in Atlanta or close), more in FL, and I have no idea how the other states shape up.

Everyone keeps spouting personal responsiblity and how parents should teach this. I agree that would be great, but who taught the parents? We have kids having kids who are having kids. Almost every high school in GA has day care available for the high school kids' babies.

If we want our populace to take personal responsibility, become productive members of society and pay taxes, we need to educate them.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-06-25 15:25:50
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I'd never try to claim that the crazies are restricted to a single ideology, but I was strictly referring to Republicans in Congress in order to avoid a wide generalization. I just find it very disingenuous to assert that there is no discernible difference between the two party platforms when it comes to these issues.

I don't mean to over simplify this into red vs blue, but I can't see how you can assert that both parties have a similar track record when it comes to understanding and interpreting modern science (***, even science that that's centuries old).
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-06-25 15:28:14
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
How about we try working on educating our populace?

I watched a show where a kid took his girlfriends birth control pills "just in case" (they split the pills up).

A lot of states no longer teach sex ed but teach abstinence instead. This means they have no concept of how birth control works (and when it doesn't, or how many different types there are, etc), properly using condoms or spermicide, and the home grown myths of how you won't get pregnant (pulling put, etc). Coming from FL I never had a sex ed class.

Planned Parenthood tries to help but there were only 5 offices in GA (3 in Atlanta or close), more in FL, and I have no idea how the other states shape up.

Everyone keeps spouting personal responsiblity and how parents should teach this. I agree that would be great, but who taught the parents? We have kids having kids who are having kids. Almost every high school in GA has day care available for the high school kids' babies.

If we want our populace to take personal responsibility, become productive members of society and pay taxes, we need to educate them.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-06-25 15:29:47
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Ha good luck with that. Americans don't want to be educated ask any physician that. They don't want to hear about better nutrition, family planning, or preventative testing.

Americans expect an immediate and quick fix at the least possible minute.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-06-25 15:41:40
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How about we try working on educating our populace? I watched a show where a kid took his girlfriends birth control pills "just in case" (they split the pills up). A lot of states no longer teach sex ed but teach abstinence instead. This means they have no concept of how birth control works (and when it doesn't, or how many different types there are, etc), properly using condoms or spermicide, and the home grown myths of how you won't get pregnant (pulling put, etc). Coming from FL I never had a sex ed class. Planned Parenthood tries to help but there were only 5 offices in GA (3 in Atlanta or close), more in FL, and I have no idea how the other states shape up. Everyone keeps spouting personal responsiblity and how parents should teach this. I agree that would be great, but who taught the parents? We have kids having kids who are having kids. Almost every high school in GA has day care available for the high school kids' babies. If we want our populace to take personal responsibility, become productive members of society and pay taxes, we need to educate them.
I'd like to know how a girl got birth control pills without being instructed on how to use them lol... I'd be more alarmed that they're just handing pills out to kids without even explaining it to them...

idk... maybe it's just me but I don't see how it's all that hard to educate someone in that... hay thar kids! The condom goes on the guy! The birth control is for the girl! If you have unprotected sex you could transmit disease or become pregnant! There is defenitely more to it but the basics are pretty easy to pass along and would be shocking if a parent was not aware... though not impossible I guess...
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-06-25 15:44:12
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You'd be surprised.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2013-06-25 15:59:40
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How about we try working on educating our populace? I watched a show where a kid took his girlfriends birth control pills "just in case" (they split the pills up). A lot of states no longer teach sex ed but teach abstinence instead. This means they have no concept of how birth control works (and when it doesn't, or how many different types there are, etc), properly using condoms or spermicide, and the home grown myths of how you won't get pregnant (pulling put, etc). Coming from FL I never had a sex ed class. Planned Parenthood tries to help but there were only 5 offices in GA (3 in Atlanta or close), more in FL, and I have no idea how the other states shape up. Everyone keeps spouting personal responsiblity and how parents should teach this. I agree that would be great, but who taught the parents? We have kids having kids who are having kids. Almost every high school in GA has day care available for the high school kids' babies. If we want our populace to take personal responsibility, become productive members of society and pay taxes, we need to educate them.
I'd like to know how a girl got birth control pills without being instructed on how to use them lol... I'd be more alarmed that they're just handing pills out to kids without even explaining it to them...

idk... maybe it's just me but I don't see how it's all that hard to educate someone in that... hay thar kids! The condom goes on the guy! The birth control is for the girl! If you have unprotected sex you could transmit disease or become pregnant! There is defenitely more to it but the basics are pretty easy to pass along and would be shocking if a parent was not aware... though not impossible I guess...

In FL you are handed a prescription, sent to the pharmacy, and then are asked by your pharmacist if you understand how this medicine needs to be taken. How long do your doctors normally speak with you about prescriptions before they leave? Because most of mine never stayed long.

Planned parenthood is slightly different but it also depends on who you get.

Also, you are seriously simplifying how birth control works. Birth control pills have a lot of things that interfere with it and each variety is different. Then there are options besides pills.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-06-25 16:12:25
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
Siren.Flavin said: »
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How about we try working on educating our populace? I watched a show where a kid took his girlfriends birth control pills "just in case" (they split the pills up). A lot of states no longer teach sex ed but teach abstinence instead. This means they have no concept of how birth control works (and when it doesn't, or how many different types there are, etc), properly using condoms or spermicide, and the home grown myths of how you won't get pregnant (pulling put, etc). Coming from FL I never had a sex ed class. Planned Parenthood tries to help but there were only 5 offices in GA (3 in Atlanta or close), more in FL, and I have no idea how the other states shape up. Everyone keeps spouting personal responsiblity and how parents should teach this. I agree that would be great, but who taught the parents? We have kids having kids who are having kids. Almost every high school in GA has day care available for the high school kids' babies. If we want our populace to take personal responsibility, become productive members of society and pay taxes, we need to educate them.
I'd like to know how a girl got birth control pills without being instructed on how to use them lol... I'd be more alarmed that they're just handing pills out to kids without even explaining it to them... idk... maybe it's just me but I don't see how it's all that hard to educate someone in that... hay thar kids! The condom goes on the guy! The birth control is for the girl! If you have unprotected sex you could transmit disease or become pregnant! There is defenitely more to it but the basics are pretty easy to pass along and would be shocking if a parent was not aware... though not impossible I guess...
In FL you are handed a prescription, sent to the pharmacy, and then are asked by your pharmacist if you understand how this medicine needs to be taken. How long do your doctors normally speak with you about prescriptions before they leave? Because most of mine never stayed long. Planned parenthood is slightly different but it also depends on who you get. Also, you are seriously simplifying how birth control works. Birth control pills have a lot of things that interfere with it and each variety is different. Then there are options besides pills.
Personally I talk to my doctor... I like to understand what procedure is being done and why... what it will tell them and why it benefits me... I won't agree to anything unless they sit there and explain it to me.. and so far so good... If you are just letting your doctor walk out then you either have an unresponsive or bad one... or you're just not being engaging and just showing up to get whatever out of the way...

We talk a lot about how schools are supposed to educate but shouldn't out medical professionals be held to those standards as well if they're handing out pills to these kids? I can't say I'm familiar with the procedure on how they get them... if the parents have to be involved if they're under 18... or whatever other requirements might be mandated...

Why is it only slightly different... I was under the impression they sit there and talk to you about all the consequences and such...

All I said is that birth control is for the girl (mainly because you said you watched some show that showed the boy and the girl sharing the pills, there's another one don't take pills that are prescribed for other people!)... I also specifically said there is more to sex-ed... but the basics such as only girls used birth control pills... guys put on condoms... and that sex without protection can result in STI's and STD's are very simple basics that should be very easy to pass along...
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By Bahamut.Kara 2013-06-25 16:19:51
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Sounds like you have a good doctor, keep him/her.

Every state is different on birth control laws.

Doctors should be educating, but you also need to be your own advocate (like what you are doing) but if you don't know to ask questions or what type of questions to ask.

I wasn't just referring to sex-ed, biology (all sciences and math) would be nice too.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-06-25 16:33:29
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I've been with him now about 10 years...

That's what I assumed...

I guess I just expect too much in thinking that a person knows to ask why do you want to do this and how will it affect me at least... why do you want to shove this very large needle in my chest good doctor! What will it do to help me with my issues?!

some are very good at teaching those subjects others are not... the neighborhood and type of school you go to here pretty much directly correlayes to the quality of education you receive... Money allows you to attract better teachers... even the ones getting paid good money though aren't always effective... some teachers blame it on the kids... but that's all a different story... math and sciences should always be included in the cirriculum... I look at sex-ed as a completely different topic though...
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-06-25 16:36:17
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Don't forget all the possible side-effects that go along with the pill for women.. a lot of women can't take the pill because of the high chance that one of those side effects could happen to them (possibly death, for one).

There are other alternatives.. but a lot of them require money that people don't possibly have, hence, they have more children to get said money from government.

Sorry, that was bad. >.>
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-06-25 20:48:08
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I'd never try to claim that the crazies are restricted to a single ideology, but I was strictly referring to Republicans in Congress in order to avoid a wide generalization. I just find it very disingenuous to assert that there is no discernible difference between the two party platforms when it comes to these issues.

I don't mean to over simplify this into red vs blue, but I can't see how you can assert that both parties have a similar track record when it comes to understanding and interpreting modern science (***, even science that that's centuries old).

Heard Obama say today that 97% of all scientists agree that man is causing the earth to warm and he doesn't have time to debate with the flat-earth society anymore. Is this the modern science you speak of? Lie and belittle those that live in reality to push your social agenda?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-06-25 21:43:49
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I only skimmed the speech transcript and briefly watched the part you're talking about, but the scientific debate has long since moved past whether or not climate change is a real phenomenon or that human industrial activity is the major underlying cause. It's about time the political debate did as well.

It is like arguing flat-earth theory at this point. Sorry if pointing that out ruffles your panties.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-06-25 23:42:17
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No it's not. Those are the words of someone with no argument or evidence and cannot make the case and back it up with anything. It is simply saying "I'm right. I am so right in fact that I won't even argue or listen to you. I am so right that I do not even have to back it up." Then shoving his fingers in his ears and yelling LALALALALALALALALA. It's shutting down debate because the emperor wears no clothes.

And I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who wears panties.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-06-25 23:57:38
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Early portion of the speech:
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And around the same time we began exploring space, scientists were studying changes taking place in the Earth's atmosphere. Now, scientists had known since the 1800s that greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide trap heat, and that burning fossil fuels release those gases into the air. That wasn't news. But in the late 1950s, the National Weather Service began measuring the levels of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere, with the worry that rising levels might someday disrupt the fragile balance that makes our planet so hospitable. And what they've found, year after year, is that the levels of carbon pollution in our atmosphere have increased dramatically.

That science, accumulated and reviewed over decades, tells us that our planet is changing in ways that will have profound impacts on all of humankind.

The 12 warmest years in recorded history have all come in the last 15 years. Last year, temperatures in some areas of the ocean reached record highs, and ice in the Arctic shrank to its smallest size on record -- faster than most models had predicted it would. These are facts.

Now, we know that no single weather event is caused solely by climate change. Droughts and fires and floods, they go back to ancient times. But we also know that in a world that's warmer than it used to be, all weather events are affected by a warming planet. The fact that sea level in New York, in New York Harbor, are now a foot higher than a century ago -- that didn't cause Hurricane Sandy, but it certainly contributed to the destruction that left large parts of our mightiest city dark and underwater.

He used plenty of well-accepted evidence (simplified for a national speech, of course) pertaining to climate change in his speech that you and other like-minded independent thinkers are free to dismiss or ignore. It's no one's responsibility at this point to repeatedly teach you that 1 + 1 = 2.
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That's not evidence lol. That's him talking out his ***. This is religion, not science.
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Wendy Davis abortion filibuster ends in chaotic dispute over midnight vote
Texas senator succeeds in delaying vote on anti-abortion bill by speaking for nearly 11 hours but Republicans say a vote was taken just in time