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Final Fantasy - The Best and Worst?
Bismarck.Leneth
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By Bismarck.Leneth 2013-04-30 05:18:34
- The best lead character? Zidane
- The best support character? (Basically any good character who you can party with, who is NOT the lead character. I do not mean support like a Mage.) - Yuna Best paced personality Development Through the Journey
- The best villain? Yagudos Diversity in personalities
- The game with the best music? FFX
- The game with the best battle and level system? FFX-2 (Combos when attacking at the right Time and learning by using abilities)
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.) Chaos-D
- The hardest boss fight ever? AV
- The rarest item ever? Krakenclub
- The best main storyline? FFX
- The worst main storyline? FFXII
- The best jobs? Summoners
- The hardest end Boss? Shadow Lord (cap 50)
- The most useful magic spell ever? Cure and raise
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Anima
- The best mini-game? Blitzball FFX
- The worst mini-game? Rope jump FFIX
By Artemicion 2013-04-30 06:28:23
Okay, I'll bite.
Quote: The best lead character?
Quote: The best support character?
Quote: The most evil villain?
Quote: The game with the best music?
Quote: The game with the best battle and level system?
Quote: The greatest special ability?
Quote: The hardest boss fight ever?
Quote: The rarest item ever?
Quote: The hardest weapon to make?
Quote: The best main storyline?
Quote: The worst main storyline?
Quote: The most pointless quests ever?
Quote: The hardest quests to complete?
Quote: The biggest spam move ever?
Quote: The biggest glitches that benefit you?
Quote: The weakest party character ever?
Quote: The hardest end boss?
Quote: The most useful magic spell ever?
Quote: The greatest summon/esper/eidolon?
Quote: The best mini-game?
Quote: The worst mini-game?
Quote: The best tank character.
Quote: The best damage dealing character
Quote: The best magic support character
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-30 12:46:06
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This looks like the hardest end boss fight to me. I am going to watch Cloud of Darkness and Emperor too.
I don't feel like Necron was the hardest boss, I mean, it was difficult if you didn't know what status effects it does, but if you know it is pretty easily prepared for.
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-30 13:06:37
Necron wasn't hard. CoD was rage-quit-inducing.
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-30 13:15:17
Necron wasn't hard. CoD was rage-quit-inducing.
Yea I just watched that fight. It seems you are required to have two high level WHMs, and the guy used Ninjas with Shurikens. The FF2 fight isn't a pushover, but it looks like CoD or Zeromus wins this.
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-30 13:29:38
This is what people have stated so far on this question:
Weigraf / Velius
Kefka
Zeromus(PS1)
Cloud of Darkness
Necron
Shadow Lord
I beat Kefka lately, and did it really easily. It was so easy I was disappointed, and was my first playthrough. Despite it being easy, he instantly became one of my favourite bad guys.
Zeromus was never overly difficult for me either, and I have seen other people say Zeromus isn't that difficult.
However I have yet to see anybody say Cloud of Darkness isn't a challenge. Would anyone dispute CoD being the hardest last boss of all FF?
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-30 13:31:19
Shadow Lord was a joke, Archlich was harder.
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-30 13:48:30
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I was convinced that CoD is the hardest after watching this.
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2013-04-30 14:15:16
Mmk, here we go - The best game? Tactics, no question. A few other games come close (5, 6, 7, 10), but my absolute favorite battle system, top 3 progression system (5, 7), top 3 storyline (7, 9), and top 3 replayability (10, 7) make it a clear winner.
- The best lead character? Zidane, I love watching his progression from disc 1 to disc 4.
- The best support character? (Basically any good character who you can party with, who is NOT the lead character. I do not mean support like a Mage.) Steiner, for the same reason as Zidane even if they develop in totally different ways.
- The most evil villain? Well, the villains (other than Delita) in Tactics are literally in the service of the evil, so I would have to go with them.
- The game with the best music? All of them, because other than the Chocobo music I listen to my own. Best Chocobo music - 7.
- The game with the best battle and level system? Tactics best battle system, 5 or 7 best lvling system (if we include job/materia systems)
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.) I dunno, Omnislash? Definitely not anything from 9. The trance system is one of my least favorite things in any FF game.
- The hardest boss fight ever? Ruby Weapon from back when no one in my junior high knew how to beat it, and not really a boss fight but the special random encounter on Barius Hill in Tactics.
- The rarest item ever? Eh, I dunno about this one. K Club?
- The rarest fight? Probably Barius Hill? Another one I am not sure about.
- The hardest weapon to make? Mythic, FFXI
- The best main storyline? My heart says 7, but really it's probably 9. In terms of character progression, and a plot that feels like a complete vision rather than a vehicle, it stands unchallenged.
- The worst main storyline? Um, V, kind of? I play FF games for the story mostly, so yeah, I like them all, but I haven't played the new ones.
- The best jobs? Templar Knight from Tactics is super fun, I've always liked playing as Ninjas or heavy DD jobs with dual wield.
- The worst jobs? Mime, BRD/DRG/DNC/GEO in non-XI games
- The most pointless quests ever? Getting some of the Ultimates in X left me pretty disappointed.
- The hardest quests to complete? Lulu's ultimate in X? Um...most quests aren't hard.
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage) Fight at the beginning of a game? Heh. I seem to remember Enemy Skill Materia being pretty broken in 7 for most of the game, but really, it's gotta be GFs with Boost in FF8, since that is literally the only thing I remember from that combat system.
- The biggest glitches that benefit you? JP GLITCH IN TACTICS HOLY ***. Completely breaks the game when you learn about it, but does actually make a replay more enjoyable. Also, there's an airship glitch in 7 to get some rare Materia.
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party) Cait Sith, Aeris.
- The hardest end boss? I find that if I keep my levels low enough to keep it a challenge, the hardest are the endgame bosses in Tactics (that fight with the Tiamats, ugh), the Jecht fight in X, and Sephiroth.
- The most useful magic spell ever? Meteor, obviously! Nah, Blue Magic is pretty much the *** in every FF game, except Khimari in X.
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Everything in FFX, best SMN system of any FF game, by far.
- The best mini-game? Blitzball
- The worst mini-game? Anything with cards
- The best tank character. (PLD, High defense etc.) Uh, PLD?
- The best damage dealing character Fully unlocked Tidus in X is pretty nuts, but Orlandu in FFT is the strongest player int he game frmo the second he shows up.
- The best magic support character (WHM, cures etc.) Tellah
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-30 14:33:34
I really cannot see anyone disputing that Cure is the most useful magic spell in all of FF?
Watch this: Cure Glitch
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-30 14:37:11
Meh, I always spammed potions lol, Aura in 8 was op.
Asura.Ina
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By Asura.Ina 2013-04-30 14:38:59
Meh, I always spammed potions lol, Aura in 8 was op. I would use squall and zell spamming their limit breaks for damage and Quistis could just white wind to whenever they needed hp.
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-30 14:41:32
Yea in some games at certain points cure becomes useless, but in the majority of any FF, cure will be used at some point by the average player :)
Also asked my dad this question, and he said "Errrrrm... Cure! Of Course."
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-30 14:42:36
I don't feel like considering it the most useful when it can be replaced, but that's just me.
Carbuncle.Darktrance
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By Carbuncle.Darktrance 2013-04-30 14:45:27
Best for nostalgia sake gotta be the first. I remember late night, trying to unlock advanced classes, getting fancy "glowy" looking swords. I played that game on NES till the battery ran down. Had a huge map and beastiary with armor/weapon charts. I was a kid then, but it was the biggest world I ever got to pretend to be in then.
Worst, 13. I mean, I'd put X-2 before 13, if only that it atleast let me play in a world I enjoyed.
Even at the beginning I remember the characters explaining the goings on, using obscure words that sounded like the same words.... to me the dialogue was like...
"The kumquats and the unkumquats kumquated the quats, and that's why we hafta save the world!"
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-30 14:45:34
Hmm I sort of see your point, but the spell "cure" is not just the standard cure spell. Any other ability, whether it is an enemy skill, is still regarded as a cure spell. The only other form of healing that I don't see as a cure spell are potions, and I would normally use a cure in a game anytime over a potion, simply because I could sell the potion and MP costs nothing.
What other spell could beat cure?
Reraise?
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By Asura.Thannatos 2013-04-30 15:40:38
Hardest end boss?
I'd like to say Pandemonium Warden circa 2008.
By Gimp 2013-04-30 15:58:38
i can only think of haste being a close competitor to cure as it was vital for winning some fights.
in the same light why cerberus of ff8 was a great summon to have for boss fights although not the same thing
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-30 16:03:45
Although PW was one of the hardest bosses ever, he was not the "last boss", as FFXI has never really had an end boss since the early days when Shadow Lord was regarded as such.
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By Odin.Gosuapple 2013-04-30 16:03:52
You're all a bunch of ***... do you have any idea how much time I'm gong to have to spend going back and playing through old Final Fantasies now?
Also as much as I love the game I can't believe no one is saying theatrhythm for worst story. Seems like a no brainer.
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-30 16:04:40
i can only think of haste being a close competitor to cure as it was vital for winning some fights.
in the same light why cerberus of ff8 was a great summon to have for boss fights although not the same thing
I thought of this too, but I cannot think of any other spell being used more by the average player then some form of the Cure spell.
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By Asura.Thannatos 2013-04-30 17:59:03
Although PW was one of the hardest bosses ever, he was not the "last boss", as FFXI has never really had an end boss since the early days when Shadow Lord was regarded as such.
Yeah, I mostly thinking of hardest optional boss.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-30 20:32:04
just wanted to add that Star Ocean: Til the End of Time kicked the *** out of any Final Fantasy game. kbye!
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-30 20:37:59
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »just wanted to add that Star Ocean: Til the End of Time kicked the *** out of any Final Fantasy game. kbye!
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-30 20:49:29
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-01 12:31:32
Adding Cure as the most useful magic spell as the majority have stated so. The next question will be posted soon!
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-01 12:53:45
The worst job class ... ever?
I have seen a few answers here already, and I keep seeing a recurring pattern.
Mime
Geomancer
Bard
Dancer
Blue Mage
Puppetmaster.
Calculator
There are others that were mentioned, but these seem to crop up the most.
As someone who enjoys a job class to be unique, Mime to me, considering all it can do is Mime attacks, does have its uses, but is extremely boring and took no brain power to create.
Bard however, in certain games, are absolutely atrocious, whereas in other games like FFXI, Bard is a class which is required for anything difficult.
Geomancer is virtually useless in FF Tactics, and from what I have seen in FFXI, its not quite up there yet as an absolutely required job for any given party.
Blue Mage is the same, whereas in some games it is really bad, it all depends on the spells you can get from the enemies. Enemy Skill materia was overpowered in FFVII, but the game never included a job system. Gau in FFVI could be useful if you knew how to use him correctly, however his randomness as a character made him weaker.
Puppetmaster is never really been a job class of its own until FFXI. In the beginning, it was a really weak job, but in recent times, any serious PUP can deal out good damage and be versatile.
As someone who has never played Tactics (Although this thread tempts me to do so more and more), this is the description of Calculator.
"The Arithmetician), also known as Calculator, is a Job class from Final Fantasy Tactics. A high-level magic class, the Arithmetician use Arithmeticks ("Math Skill" for the PlayStation version) can cast most magick for free and without a Charge Time, assuming they already know the spell and they can do the right calculations for it. Calculations are done by choosing a condition, like Level, then choosing a number, like 5.
With those conditions, Arithmeticians will cast a selected spell targeting all units (allies and foes) whose level is a multiple of 5. To counter their powerful abilities, Arithmeticians suffer from having fairly low Magick attack power among the mage classes and the lowest Speed rating in the entire game, and other units may take many turns before the Arithmetician's even comes up. An easy way to counter this is to send the unit on errands."
As players who like to get away from the thought of doing math in school/at work, having a class that encourages you to do math sounds pretty annoying. Not to much mention its poor stats.
If I had to pick three classes, it would be Mime, Geomancer and Calculator. What do you think?
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-01 12:56:27
Blue mage and Arithmetician are not useless at all.
Bard is very strong in a few games(including xi).
Geomancer isn't bad in tactics and in xi, it's bad in 3.
To me, mime and animist are worthless.
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-01 12:58:57
Animist
he Animist is a recurring Job, exclusive to Moogles, that has appeared in the Ivalice game series. A supportive class, Animists use Instruments to call on the power of animals to aid them in battle to cause a wide range of effects. Some of their skills include Chocobo Rush, Cuisine, and 100% Wool.
So I guess these special abilities are completely trounced by the other job classes?
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By Asura.Abysswalker 2013-05-01 12:59:12
Gonna have to go with Mime.. or Calculator. (extremely OP when played right but sucks *** when it isn't)
As I sit here during the maintenance, I would like to begin an idea I conjured up while working. Simply put, I would like to find out what everyone believes are the absolute best and worst aspects of the Final Fantasy series.
I watched some youtube videos last night, and it seems a lot of the "Top 5" videos are pretty biased, as some youtube users like different FF more then others.
When it comes to FF, I am good at being unbiased. I can admit to playing FF1, 2, 12 and 13 without clearing them, while completing the following titles: FF Mystic Quest, FF 4, 5, 6, 7, 7 DOC, 8, 9, 10, and 10-2. I would love to include FFXI in this, as anyone who makes a list of the series best and worst tends to leave it out for some unknown reason... like they don't want it to exist??
I can admit to never playing FF3, 13-2, Crisis Core or any other I have not listed, so help may be needed on those.
So you may be thinking, how will we decide? What aspects of the game should we look into? Below is a list of questions that I would like to see answered.
- The best game?
- The best lead character?
- The best support character? (Basically any good character who you can party with, who is NOT the lead character. I do not mean support like a Mage.)
- The most evil villain?
- The game with the best music?
- The game with the best battle and level system?
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.)
- The hardest boss fight ever?
- The rarest item ever?
- The rarest fight?
- The hardest weapon to make?
- The best main storyline?
- The worst main storyline?
- The best jobs?
- The worst jobs?
- The most pointless quests ever?
- The hardest quests to complete?
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage)
- The biggest glitches that benefit you?
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party)
- The hardest end boss?
- The most useful magic spell ever?
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon?
- The best mini-game?
- The worst mini-game?
- The best tank character. (PLD, High defense etc.)
- The best damage dealing character
- The best magic support character (WHM, cures etc.)
Can you think of anymore??? If you can, let me know and I shall add it to the list.
I will reserve a post below to show the results, so you people do not have to go looking for them. Also I would like to ask these questions randomly (maybe more then one at a time) and keep them up until we have a sufficient answer. You can simply vote on what you feel is right, and by explaining your answers, you may encourage others to agree with you and vote the same way.
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