Slow Testing:
Reraise III: 60
RR3 + Slow: 70 (16.6% (42.4/256))
RR3 + Indi: 66 (10% (25.6/256))
RR3 + Indi + Slow: 77 (28.3% (72.4/256)
Seems to multiply. (I'm new to the whole /256 thing, so not sure if that applies to the magic side of stuff, but I worked it out anyways)
Defense Testing:
Base defense: 220
DEF + Indi: 192 (-12.8% (-32.7/256))
DEF + Roar: 197 (-10.4% (-26.6/256))
DEF + Dia: 208 (-5.4% (-13.8/256))
DEF + Indi + Roar: 170 (-22.7% (-58.1/256))
DEF + Indi + Roar + Dia: 158 (-28.1% (-71.9/256))
Seems to stack up ontop of each other.
GEO Observations
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GEO observations
Bolstered:
Base defense: 220 DEF + Indi: 165 (-25% (-64/256)) DEF + Roar: 197 (-10.4% (-26.6/256)) DEF + Indi + Roar: 142 (35.4% (-90.6/256)) DEF + Indi + Roar + Dia: 131 (-40.4% (-103.4/256) We know Dia multiples with defense down, but let's just ensure things are working properly:
Dia is 27/512 (things get floored) (1-27/512) * 220 = 208.3984375 ---> 208 when floored, so that checks out as expected! Roar is 26/256 --> (1-26/256) * 220 (1-26/256)*220 ---> 197.65 --> 197 when floored (checks out)! I'm not sure if they floor things after each step or if they're floored after multplied, so can you tell me if Dia + Roar ---> 186 or 187? This will allow me to determine a /512 for Indi, I think it/s 32/256 though. We're about to go back inside, I'll let you know when I double check in a moment. Didn't think to check Roar + Dia alone.
I'll also check Indi + Dia.. not sure why I skipped that one. Base Defense: 220
DEF + Roar + Dia: 186 DEF + Indi + Dia: 181 Okay, so it floors before it applies either defense down or dia. I'm unsure of the order, because I think either way we get 186.
(1-26/256)floor((1-27/512)*220) = 186.875 --> 186 floor((1-26/256)*220)(1-27/512) = 186.61 ---> 186 I edited it~ copied it over wrong! Was rushing cause maint is happening soon!
If it's any help I can retest w/ more gear on. was doing it naked
Base defense: 295
DEF + Indi: 258 DEF + Roar: 265 DEF + Dia: 280 DEF + Indi + Roar: 228 DEF + Roar + Dia: 250 DEF + Indi + Dia: 243 DEF + Indi + Roar + Dia: 213 Asura.Gavvy said: » Base defense: 295 DEF + Indi: 258 DEF + Roar: 265 DEF + Dia: 280 DEF + Indi + Roar: 228 DEF + Roar + Dia: 250 DEF + Indi + Dia: 243 DEF + Indi + Roar + Dia: 213 Wow, that's good ***. Is this testing done with dia 2 or 3? So it should be 32/256 and floors after the defense down step before applying dia.
floor((1-32/256)*220)(1-27/512) floors to 181 (1-32/256)floor((1-27/512)*220) floors to 182 From that we can get: def/indi --> (1-32/256)*220 --> 192 check def/roar --> floor((1-26/256)*220)(1-27/512) --> 186 check def/indi/dia --> floor((1-32/256)*220)(1-27/512) --> 181 check so determining if multiplying or adding! if they multiplied than pretty much any order of flooring for roar/dia would give us def/roar/indi --> 172 but we have def/roar/indi --> 170 (1-32/256-26/256)*220 ---> 170, so it seems like they add together similar to sources of +Attack% So now for def/roar/dia/indi we should get floor((1-32/256-26/256)*220)*(1-27/512) --> 161 But we get 158 (?_?) Odin.Eikechi said: » Asura.Gavvy said: » Base defense: 295 DEF + Indi: 258 DEF + Roar: 265 DEF + Dia: 280 DEF + Indi + Roar: 228 DEF + Roar + Dia: 250 DEF + Indi + Dia: 243 DEF + Indi + Roar + Dia: 213 Wow, that's good ***. Is this testing done with dia 2 or 3? That's all with Dia 1. DEF + Dia + Roar + Indi = 158. Just double checked.
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floor((1-26/256)*295)(1-27/512) ---> 251 so it seems to floor after the dia step first.
(1-26/256)floor((1-27/512)*295) --> 250 I don't know what to make of 213, I predict 215.
Fenrir.Sylow said: » I don't know what to make of 213, I predict 215. Base DEF: 295 with Dia + Roar + Indi = 213~ just rechecked. Edit: I'm off out for a few hours, I'll check back later! Well, it can't be >= 33/256 or else we'd get 191 and 256 for the defense/indi part.
Everything else matches up with this model though:  Sec! 110% that it was those figures. Not sure what to think about the discrepancy! I'll retest when the servers come back up but I'm positive that its those numbers!
Code
import math
def defense(base,down,geo,dia):
def1 = math.floor((1-dia/512) * base)
def2 = (1-down/256-geo/256)*def1
return math.floor(def2)
defTest = int(input("Your Base Defense:"))
listy = [("Base:",defTest,0,0,0), ("Roar Only:",defTest,26,0,0)]
listy += [("Indi Only:",defTest,0,32,0),("Dia Only:",defTest,0,0,27)]
listy += [("Roar and Indi:",defTest,26,32,0), ("Roar and Dia:",defTest,26,0,27)]
listy += [("Dia and Indi:",defTest,0,32,27)]
listy += [("Roar, Indi, and Dia",defTest,26,32,27)]
print("Defense predictions")
print("-"*20)
for test in listy:
print("%-25s %i" %(test[0],defense(test[1],test[2],test[3],test[4])))
Base defense: 220 DEF + Indi: 192 (-12.8% (-32.7/256)) DEF + Roar: 197 (-10.4% (-26.6/256)) DEF + Dia: 208 (-5.4% (-13.8/256)) DEF + Indi + Roar: 170 (-22.7% (-58.1/256)) DEF + Indi + Roar + Dia: 158 (-28.1% (-71.9/256)) DEF + Roar + Dia: 186 DEF + Indi + Dia: 181 vs. Code Defense predictions -------------------- Base: 220 Roar Only: 197 Indi Only: 192 Dia Only: 208 Roar and Indi: 170 Roar and Dia: 186 Dia and Indi: 182 Roar, Indi, and Dia 160 Base defense: 295 DEF + Indi: 258 DEF + Roar: 265 DEF + Dia: 280 DEF + Indi + Roar: 228 DEF + Roar + Dia: 250 DEF + Indi + Dia: 243 DEF + Indi + Roar + Dia: 213 vs. Code [evaluate test.py] Your Base Defense:295 Defense predictions -------------------- Base: 295 Roar Only: 265 Indi Only: 258 Dia Only: 279 Roar and Indi: 228 Roar and Dia: 250 Dia and Indi: 244 Roar, Indi, and Dia 215 In both cases, I'm right until Dia and Indi start interacting, so I'm not sure what they're doing to each other! It's probably flooring crap somewhere that I'm not finding, but it's safe enough to say this:
Conclusions: Indi-Frailty and Defense Down stack additively. Together these are multiplicative with Dia, but combining Indi-Frailty and Dia is slightly better than I can predict based on the model alone.
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It's really odd that the predictions are +2 on both of the final results.
Siren.Celestius said: » 3-4 Geos all with indi spells up and geo spells going off and the game lags like a herd of turtles running through peanut butter.
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Well, atleast it's -2 than +2 of the predicted!
Lemme know what you want me to test/redo later! the job will be great when se releases high tiers of these spells
The debuffs are quite potent. It'll be interesting to see what the JSE stuff brings though!
That -2 is bugging me a heck of a whole lot!
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So, considering how powerful geo debuffs seem to be, are we going to see the class actually dding in group play? Cause you know, if it has to stand there, might as well.
Valefor.Sehachan said: » So, considering how powerful geo debuffs seem to be, are we going to see the class actually dding in group play? Cause you know, if it has to stand there, might as well. Why not? B+ or so club and HEXA STRIKE!!!! :P Probably not. It's going to need to wear -DT gear to be able to stand in range most likely and it will hopefully get gear to make the Luopan more durable as well. (Luckily most mages are able to almost effortlessly take MDT and PDT to near cap simultaneously)
You're going to see GEO subbing BLM and functioning as a backup stunner in the misc party of alliances, most likely. Why are you trying to factor dia in multiplicatively, Sylow?
Assuming: Dia = -13/256 Roar = -26/256 Indi = -32/256 And that they all stack additively -- Code
Actual Predicted
Base defense: 295 295
DEF + Indi: 258 258
DEF + Roar: 265 265
DEF + Dia: 280 280
DEF + Indi + Roar: 228 228
DEF + Roar + Dia: 250 250
DEF + Indi + Dia: 243 243
DEF + Indi + Roar + Dia: 213 213
Exact matches. Edit: And from the earlier test data: Quote: Indi: -32/256 [220 * (256-32)/256 = 192.5, floored to 192] Roar: -26/256 [220 * (256-26)/256 = 197.65625, floored to 197] Dia: -13/256 [220 * (256-13)/256 = 208.828125, floored to 208] Indi + Roar: -58/256 -32 + -26 = -58 (additive) Indi + Roar + Dia: -71/256 or -72/256 -32 + -26 + -13 = -71 (additive)
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