IiPunch - Monk Guide

Now, now. Play nice.

Not sure how much -meva stutter step gives though - possibly. :)

But I'd still favour geo, you can really speed things up during 100-75 if you can throw a few nukes. Depending on how many mnks you take in, we had 2 mnks which made 100-75 incredibly slow so our 2 schs alternated nukes when they not on stun duty. I don't think geo was nuking in our run - but if you only bring 1 sch then geo would probably help on that, and he/she can cast impact if he/she have a cloak.

I was thinking you both are over doing it a bit so decided to join in, actually dont think you need a cor either and geo depends totally on stun wall, we will give it a shot soon tho and try 8 man it without a geo.

The whole "need" thing is dumb anyway, you dont need mnk to win tojil(lots of other DD work aswell), whm isnt needed either(sch/rdm works aswell). Just like you also dont need war, drg, cor and maybe geo. Depending with how many people you want to go some jobs just become more relevant then others.... If going with 8-9 then brd+sch are 100% needed and whm+mnk pretty much aswell.

If stun wall is fine without geo i would think 3 mnk, whm, brd, sch/blm and sch/rdm might work but *** knows havent tried it yet.

Pchan is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and arrogant/ignorant most of the time but getting down on his lvl just to prove him wrong doesnt really help.

Just wait for the next VU, mnk will skliichain light every WS. Also if you want to lower the number of ppl, you want a strat that doesn't rely on stun, so either eat lahars (seem perfectly fine with decent dt and cureskin spam/defender) or sub runs I suppose. Ultimately SCH may not be needed, as with GH brd, MP is infinite.

Problem isnt surviving lahar, its piss easy even without defender or anything else dumb you can take him down np in full pdt and 1.2k hp the full fight...

Its that your DPS drops to ***, you can save HF for one lahar due to mistake/resist or w/e but eating them all -.- *** you wanna do? Bead 3 nm and fight tojil for 30 min weakend fulltime since thats what you are going to end up doing by not stunning.

Edit: also stun is 1 spot, saves so much pain, time, mp and much less risk, not just on tojil. Saying that you should not take sch for a low man strat is stupid. New delve might not be so stun heavy but we are talking about morimar atm.

So has someone fed pchan after midnight or got water on it?

^-- that~

Also if you have no stuns spikes can be very problematic too (maybe not so much if you're full time weakened so you hit slow. ) this is assuming you have no geo no sch so your only dispel is bard. Finale recast is a lot slower than dispel and the move that gives it blaze spikes also gives stoneskin, Haste, Attack Boost, and Magic Attack Boost... that's 4 things to dispel. So potentially takes 4 finales before you manage to remove the spikes.

not to mention without languor your finale is more likely to resist.

Your dps doesn't drop to ***without geo, since you use geo for stun mac. It only drops if you go from 2 geo to 1 geo which none of the 9 or 10 man setups include. Proof that it's not needed for DPS. Solution ? Have your SCH not suck, only stun lahar, have them actually quip mac gear etc, and have BRD build a good mac set to land finale.

Just wait for VU and use rag war inc 50k MS reso!

Noob you said without sch/stuning... Wtf you talking about now.

I never said anything about geo being needed 100%, even said we could give it a shot without geo and try with 8 members but your idea of not stuning and eating lahars is dumb.

I said that ultimately you'd want to remove stunning. Let's focus on lowing the requirments first shall we. We already established that geo can be kicked. Same goes for COR provided 2xDDB99GH99 brds.

don't think anyone was concerned about GEO boosting DPS... it's more like lahar killing DPS. lol

And you were proposing 0 geo and 0 sch. lolol

This is entertaining~

Why do you need 2 brd ? suckless plz

No you wouldnt because its just that good for morimar. And for the geo part, someone needs to test it first with 3DD and see how the stun wall/resist is. Also 3 mnk+ 1 brd > 2 mnk+ 2 brd i would assume.

If you don't stun, a single whm cannot cure 2 mnks going all out (no pdt etc). I wouldn't go w/o 1 healer per mnk. You can trade the second brd for a SCH or COR though. If anyone on quetz want to try :p I can already provide 2 maxed mnk,whm and brds.

let's just wait for pchan to win with his proposed setup. It won't happen until ilv130, but ohwell.

I'll admit that this is doable without stuns if you /run, but the fight is going to be a *** longer. Getting caught by a lahar before aura goes down could make for a mess too pending on if your buffs were dispelled recently or not. Also single geo would be doing languor and frailty. That's plenty even for a longer fight.

and 0 COR

MNKx3, DNCx1, WHMx1, BRDx1

CORx1, SCHx1

Doable?

MNK x3 cor brd whm sch is probably enough if you're only stunning lahar. MNK/RUN based setup could do a much slower kill without stuns.

Whm would have trouble keeping all 3 mnk's alive esp if you are only stuning lahar which there is no reason for, can solo stun each and every tp move np. If all mnk go /run and you arent stunning you wiould 100% fail.

There is no issue keeping people alive if your brd is fast on dispel. Also wrong on the second part, with very good support you should have no issue killing a tojil that can't lahar without stuns. Despite wikis info, it cannot lahar while aura is off. There may have been confusion with aura dropping too slow and a lahar going off.

The point of only stunning lahar is that you're aiming for a long kill, the other moves are not very debilitating, so why not add a good chunk of fight length til stuns start to resist? You could add in shell too if you don't trust the buffs getting dispelled quickly enough.

Aren't Vere gonna be top again after they get IL:119?

1 whm per mnk or bust. Also he resist final alot k.

AM3 yes AM1 no just like pre adoulin ? I'd say spharai will lead because the dex gear is much better than before, and w/e you do VS is stuck at 60% str.

Get better healer.

Your three mnk will die on raptor if not stunned and only one whm. They will also die on peiste etc. This is the real game if you go with 6, not the 2004 stun lock strat. Mr 50k resolution (lol).

If raptor killing your mnk with 1 whm, you're doing it wrong!

I only stun zombie on raptor and we spam magic damage like hell on it for fun. Someone rarely ever dies and I dualbox my healer. suck less

For Shijin, if Otronif gloves are NQ(no double attack or crit or anything worthwhile),are Manibozho hands R15 path A worth it? Assume same sets as front page, only with all Otronif NQ so far and 1/5 Shijin since I play plenty of jobs.

yeah but you are not just pro longing tojil, you also gonna take longer killing the peiste and also got slightly more risk inviolved fighting the raptor and maybe even kurma if you get unlucky all this leads to pretty much timing out without stuns and 3x mnk/run. combined with the fact that your solo whm will be having a harsh time i dont see it being a reasonable strat, pretty much sure it will fail most of the time.


the lahar part is really not neccesary, like i said before, done morimar with 3x mnk (with a little room for improvment^^) and a 3 song brd. the sch only had a single resist somewhere at around 30% of tojils hp(not 100% sure how long tojil took to kill but think it was 14 min). only stunning lahar makes sense if you are looking at like a 15-20 min tojil fight but then you arent gonna be clearing the zone anyway prolly.