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If everything is capped attack and accuracy then we lose lots of dps?
Lakshmi.Amymy said: » How much dps we giving up if we using manibozho body armor instead of thamous coat? You can probably expect your DPS to drop by 5%. Edit: That assumes that you are -not- capped on attack. Fenrir.Sylow said: » You don't need the acc :( Yeah the group I roll with doesn't give acc buffs so yeah. Unless the spreadsheets and kparser are wrong....... Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » I used 3 +2 stones for PDT-2%->PDT-1%->PDT-2%. It wasn't until the following day I got my Double Attack +1 using a +2 stone. Pretty sure the min PDT you get with a +2 stone is 3pdt.. Atleast i have never seen it go below 3pdt, got 4/5 DA+2/pdt3-4 on otronif with about 17 stones so far. Fenrir.Sylow said: » Pretty much swapped everything I can to get the 95% hit rate unbuffed seems insane not to switch but to each his own if your x dps = my y dps does it matter what you wear its a function of math. It's why I actually parse and not just use a spreadsheet as a gold standard its a check and balance hard to determine if over the hit cap other than trusting the numbers in the spreadsheet which for ranger had me at 200% since the combat skill was missing in the acc calculation. Mind posting the gearsets you use?
And for completion, food and buffs? Bahamut.Shirai said: » Mind posting the gearsets you use? And for completion, food and buffs? If your asking me if I recall tonight but its pretty simple a function of eat x food set gear and buffs and check your dps number fight tojil run parse and see what actual dps and hit rate actually are. Some times I hate being a software engineer playing this game that magically gear x at 500 dps is always > gear y at 500 dps since 500 dps now magically doesn't equal 500 dps but thats only in ffxi >.>.... Can you stop posting everywhere you post?
Sincerely, everyone ever.
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Can you stop posting everywhere you post? Sincerely, everyone ever. kenshynofshiva said: » Bahamut.Shirai said: » Mind posting the gearsets you use? And for completion, food and buffs? If your asking me if I recall tonight but its pretty simple a function of eat x food set gear and buffs and check your dps number fight tojil run parse and see what actual dps and hit rate actually are. Some times I hate being a software engineer playing this game that magically gear x at 500 dps is always > gear y at 500 dps since 500 dps now magically doesn't equal 500 dps but thats only in ffxi >.>.... Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Can you stop posting everywhere you post? Sincerely, everyone ever.
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Asura.Backstab said: » Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » I used 3 +2 stones for PDT-2%->PDT-1%->PDT-2%. It wasn't until the following day I got my Double Attack +1 using a +2 stone. Pretty sure the min PDT you get with a +2 stone is 3pdt.. Atleast i have never seen it go below 3pdt, got 4/5 DA+2/pdt3-4 on otronif with about 17 stones so far. Absolutely not true. I don't have screenshots but next time I get one I'll take one. still have 2 pieces left to get DA on, I'm sure it'll happen. Bahamut.Shirai said: » Mind posting the gearsets you use? And for completion, food and buffs? I guess I learned simply at some point:
if a + b = c if x + y = c That in turn (a + b) = (x + y) not (a + b ) > (x + y) but if it makes you feel better to insult then go right ahead do what must make you feel like a million bucks. It is the internet... I don't think anyone understood when I stated above simply 0 accuracy buffs given on tojil and still achieve cap hit rate of 95% of course bream sushi is used in the mix. Now if you turn off all the accuracy buffs in the spreadsheet no aggressor or focus nothing and try to achieve 95% hit rate gets to be a challenge. I didnt make the rule but thats the rule the guy running our show wants and using morts spreadsheets isn't rocket science to determine hit rate and dps. Then you parse and see your real dps and figure where improvements can be made but hey if a better way than that cool I am all ears. Fortunately, you can be wrong both online and offline.
You've been asked to post sets several times now. If you're just going to opt for rambling off incoherent *** that is substantiated by "I like to parse things", opt out instead. Fenrir.Jinjo said: » Fortunately, you can be wrong both online and offline. You've been asked to post sets several times now. If you're just going to opt for rambling off incoherent *** that is substantiated by "I like to parse things", opt out instead. I said tonight simply posting angry bird ***for the cool kids is awesome sauce tho. I give tho it wont matter what I do or say in the least from the tone. On the contrary! Personally, I'd be thrilled to see you finally post something of substance, as you have yet to do so in all of your ~1200 combined posts on this an other forums.
Leviathan.Kaparu said: » On the contrary! Personally, I'd be thrilled to see you finally post something of substance, as you have yet to do so in all of your ~1200 combined posts on this an other forums. Your hate just makes my world better tho. I see your still keeping the post count up over 100k yet? Assuming you require dramatic build shifts and sushi to support zero accuracy buffs, the logical decision is to sing a madrigal instead of a minuet or use hunter's instead of fighters (if you only have one COR otherwise you have two more marginal rolls to replace), possibly both, and eat meat safely.
Fenrir.Sylow said: » Assuming you require dramatic build shifts and sushi to support zero accuracy buffs, the logical decision is to sing a madrigal instead of a minuet or use hunter's instead of fighters (if you only have one COR otherwise you have two more marginal rolls to replace), possibly both, and eat meat safely. Yes I fully concur but I am not running the show period. The thought is if bard songs are dropped or a dc happen they believe your better off being at the hit cap. I am not in charge I designed my gear around standard tojil build and was whiffing since they made that decision. Now mortensen does this apply to a mani r15 body? have you calculated the difference for mnk? Quote: Fenrir.Motenten Offline Server: Fenrir Game: FFXI user: Motenten Posts: 430 By Fenrir.Motenten 2013-05-10 16:11:12 Link | Quote | Reply Well, we don't have any idea yet (as far as I know) about how difficult the final boss mobs are going to be. According to Matsui's chart, the current T4/5 Delve NMs are at a difficulty level of 14, while the final bosses are at 20. I imagine accuracy on them will be quite a different matter than current comparisons. Without accounting for accuracy, the multi-attack on Thuamas is worth roughly +17% to overall damage (both melee and TP for weaponskills). A fully upgraded Manibozho body will have (vs Thaumas): 10 str 15 dex (possible crit rate) 22 acc (including from dex; possibly more from the next patch) 37 att (including from str; possibly more from the next patch) If the accuracy matters, 22 acc will be an 11% hit rate. 11% hit rate is +17% overall damage when base hit rate is 65%. So if your native hit rate is 65% or lower (actually, 65% relative to Thaumas, so 59% without any body accuracy at all), Manibozho automatically wins, since it also adds in fStr, attack, and probably crit rate (would guess 2% just to be conservative, but potentially a lot more). Since you can expect the Aphotic Kukri to be pretty much required in order to fight the final bosses, fStr from 10 str will be gain something in the 2%-3% range. 37 attack vs a mob with 600 defense (assuming reasonly high defense, but also reasonable amounts of def down applied) is worth about 6%, though applied to only half your damage, so another ~3%. Given the gains from fStr, dDex and attack are likely to be fairly universal, we can then adjust the point where the accuracy puts this above Thaumas. This works out to 87% relative to Thaumas accuracy, so 81% without any body accuracy. For simplicity, if your hit rate without a body on is 80% or lower, Manibozho will beat Thaumas. Since that's all theoretical, going to try to put that comparison into the spreadsheet. Delve boss: 600 defense, 530 evasion Hit rate without body: 79.5% DPS with no body: 348.780 DPS with Thaumas body: 434.615 DPS with unaugmented Manibozho: 453.825 ~~ dDex was too high; pushed through the sweet spot; increasing boss agi to negate that DPS with no body: 343.341 DPS with Thaumas body: 427.725 DPS with unaugmented Manibozho: 428.905 DPS with augmented Manibozho: 450.784 Clearly I underestimated the difference. Even unaugmented, Manibozho ties with Thaumas when base hit rate is at 80%. Since augmented Manibozho is hitting the accuracy cap, I just need to reduce mob evasion until Thaumas hits 450 DPS to find out where the cutoff is. Thaumas hits 450.514 DPS when hit rate with Thaumas is 91.5%. Thus the cutoff for hit rate without including the body is 85%. This is always subject to a variety of other considerations, but I would still consider that as a reasonably valid inflection point between the two options: 80% for unaugmented, 85% for augmented. Hey, he just made three(!!!) posts in a row that don't have his trademark (poorly used) aposiopesis! Give him some credit!
That last post of mine was less in the interest of mocking him, and more just because I genuinely laughed aloud
So of the argument against him is so simple then how come nobody has even bothered?
Shiva.Tedril said: » So of the argument against him is so simple then how come nobody has even bothered? Really not worth it some people just love to troll. If the spreadsheets are wrong and kparser is broken well I am cool with that fact I am wrong no biggie not here to start anything. Like I said we ran with zero acc buffs not my call but I accept it and make sure I can cap my hit rate period and I saying in any way shape or form x is better than y nope just more than one way to achieve the same goal or acceptable performance. But some seem determined to just troll and attack not discuss the math behind it is valid or not. Easy solution download the spread sheet and turn off all the acc buffs and see what gear can hit the cap. Damn try to wear a ranked up manibozo and everyone loses they mind with bulling and hate to funny. It has already been explained to you what your baseline acc needs to be to make Thaumas less worthwhile.
However, you are intent on optimizing for situations that exist because you are opting to be terrible. Please stop making posts, you are providing nothing worthwhile. Bye. I'm sorry I asked for something simple =_=;
We aren't asking you to post the freaking schematics for a thermonuclear device. Post some of the sets you use, tell us what buffs your group is giving you, tell us what food you eat. I'm freaking capping accuracy on Tojil in my fodder set on curry, what is wrong with you? |
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