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 Valefor.Prothescar
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-05 23:40:07
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Acc path really (not sure if that's A or B)

Those weps rape any previous content the attack won't make a big impact. Adoulin you want as much acc as possible

ok thought so, also considered dDEX and shijin mod
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By pchan 2013-05-06 09:15:39
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Path B is ratak/acc/agi supposedly so no. Anyone attempted the eva path ? If not well it means It's madx2 marchx2 always.

We also need the description of A/B/C paths for the weapon. There is no reason to put ratk in there ! Hoping for clever melee stats combos (acc+dex or str+att).

Idk if it's been said but high damage means high fstr so +str gear is relevant again.

Rigor baghnaks require ~ mobvit+72 str to cap
oatixur require ~ mobvit+92
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By Leviathan.Mdkuser 2013-05-06 13:32:33
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lets hope there is an acc path on the weapon at least. I only say a path A barghnaks picture so far.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-06 13:42:06
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Can't be ratk/racc on baghnakhs, would make 0 sense. It's just the armour to appease rng/cor.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-06 14:19:36
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pchan said: »
Path B is ratak/acc/agi supposedly so no.

no it isnt




no ranged stats
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By Sylph.Decimus 2013-05-06 14:40:49
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Path B is acc/atk/dex

Wait, why am I taking the time to respond to pchan? I don't even know pchan and I already know I'm wasting my time typing this but I just can't stop correcting....................... Grats on afterglololololol

For your upgrade path questions Credit to Slycer
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2013-05-06 14:58:36
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I think for weapons it was A=attack, B=accuracy, while for armor A=attack, B=ranged attack.
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By Phoenix.Zumi 2013-05-06 16:35:40
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So Path B on Rigor is confirmed acc/attack/dex ? Don't want to waste my airlixir.
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By pchan 2013-05-06 17:04:09
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No decimus is an idiot. He linked to a list of point needed depending on path on ARMOR. Double failure because we already know armore are not acc/dex. So we don't know.
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By pchan 2013-05-06 17:11:40
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Ok JP wiki has the answer as always.

http://ffxi.wikiwiki.jp/?%A5%A2%A5%C9%A5%A5%A5%EA%A5%F3%A4%CE%CB%E2%B6%AD%2F%A5%E1%A5%CA%A5%B9%A5%A4%A5%F3%A5%B9%A5%DA%A5%AF%A5%BF%A1%BC%2F%C0%EF%CD%F8%C9%CA%2F%C1%F5%C8%F7%C9%CA%B6%AF%B2%BD%2F%C9%F0%B4%EF


First weapon is rigor B.

path A is : att>acc>str
path B is : acc>att> ???
path C is eva > acc > ???

examining other weapons in the list ... the sword's path have acc/att/dex as path B and several weapon look the same.

So I guess it's path B !
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-06 17:12:35
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Scar posted that just above here. We already had the answer.
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By Sylph.Traxus 2013-05-06 17:25:04
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pchan said: »
No decimus is an idiot. He linked to a list of point needed depending on path on ARMOR. Double failure because we already know armore are not acc/dex. So we don't know.

wow lol
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By Valefor.Madranta 2013-05-07 03:43:40
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http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Benjamien

Another good source for Augment path info. It's broken down into weapon and armor set catagories for those struggling with reading Decimus' link.
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By Odin.Cyprias 2013-05-07 03:44:38
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EDIT: Ignore this post. The build I posted is irrelevant.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-05-07 04:32:54
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How is MNK on the DD hierarchy now assuming capped attack/accuracy? (With rigor/boss h2h)I have been doing extremely well against delve NMs and trash farming, not sure if it's a player deficiency or the job getting a large enough boost to be serious WAR/DRK/SAM competiton though.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-07 05:00:54
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The relative boost in power for the H2H weapons is, believe it or not, drastically higher than almost any other weapon across the board.

Gsword: 73%~ increase from 99 Rag to Senbaak +1 || 46%~ increase from 99 Rag to Bereaver

Great Axe: ~67% increase from 99 Ukon to Razorfury +1 || 48%~ increase from 99 Ukon to Bloodbath Axe

Great Katana: 84%~ increase from 99 Amano or Masa to Tsurumaru || ~46% increase from 99 Amano or Masa to Uguisumaru

Hand to hand: 180%~ increase from 99 Spharai to Oatixur, ~248% increase from 99 Verethragna to Oatixur || 94%~ increase from 99 Spharai to Rigors, 140%~ increase from 99 Verethragna to Rigors

math not exact, I'm sick and it's way too early for this ***, but still it should get the point across.



Ignore all of that, I didn't account for base dmg from skill.

91%~ Vere -> Oatixur, 111%~ Spharai -> oatixur, 47%~ Vere -> Rigor, 63%~ Spharai -> Rigor



The fact that hand to hand is catching up with DRK/SAM/WAR is hardly surprising considering this, and I think it's intentional; they're trying to push MNK up the totem pole, ahead of other 1h jobs, since it's much less "adaptable" and doesn't have as much utility as most of them. It's also served to push PUP up passed other 1h DDs as well, probably an unintended side effect but considering Alternator who knows. Annoying that I actually couldn't beat the urge to buy H2H before sword with my delve points after all the fighting I did to prove how close MNk was to BLU, but things have now changed almost entirely... and I guess it's better than forfeiting myself to DRK or WAR.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-05-07 05:49:49
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Yeah..

This has been me for this past week and a half:

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By pchan 2013-05-07 06:17:12
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Valefor.Madranta said: »
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Benjamien

Another good source for Augment path info. It's broken down into weapon and armor set catagories for those struggling with reading Decimus' link.
No their are no weapon paths on your link either...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-07 06:19:22
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Good now?
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By pchan 2013-05-07 06:22:58
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
How is MNK on the DD hierarchy now assuming capped attack/accuracy? (With rigor/boss h2h)I have been doing extremely well against delve NMs and trash farming, not sure if it's a player deficiency or the job getting a large enough boost to be serious WAR/DRK/SAM competiton though.
MNK has always and is still top DD. However you 'll do ***without madrigal even on NQ fracture mobs, which is the only place 2 handed DD can maybe beat you (and that's before you upgrade to manibozho/rigor). I did the math earlier that showed mnk got a higher boost than ragnarok drks.

When I did a shout delve the other day the leader was asking for blus/smn/blm because according to him only magic damage is relevant when they rage. Turns out scorpion was nearly dead once it raged (we were only 2 mnks and only DDs and were tanking fine, 4 mnks would have done it I'm sure) and even after that mnk/thf was decent ws wise (1K sneak attack final heaven on tp gear ><). On the scorpion and the wamoura both mnks toped parse well ahead of the total damage of the smns' diabolos (think it was like 80% for monks).

It's fairly interesting because the wamoura is one of the NMs that unlocks rigor bagh. The scorp unlocks body/feet and the 2 acc earrings. The scorpion can probably be killed by a team of MNKx3 WHMx2 BRD before it rages and probably less mnks once you have upgraded the weapon at least.
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By Cerberus.Mindi 2013-05-07 08:31:48
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since my Ukon crys in MH i decided to gear MNK more serious now, i allways liked the job but never was high priority.

this is my current gearset for normal TP:
ItemSet 299989

what upgrates, especially considering new Armor, can i make to it?

next points i'll use on Manibozho brais and will enhance it with path A. Are they ever a good TP leg for MNK or is the Kickattacks+7 on Tantra+2 legs allways supperior to way better stats?

i will NOT get Tenr tekko+1, Miodio Gloves are non-existant so i just went with thaumas hands for +5STR/DEX/AGI on that set. But not sure with what i replace them when i switch out other gear.

Atm its not my turn to get usukane+1 equip, but when it is, is it still worth to get feet+1? I think i will go head > feet(if the are still usefull for mnk) or would the new Manibozho boots be better? Not sure which path i would do there.

kinda thought about something like this:

ItemSet 299990

would that be decent?
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2013-05-07 09:40:38
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In sequence:

Usu +1 head
Mustela hands
Manibozho legs
Usu +1 feet (damage stays the same if at capped hit rate, but a lot more acc)
Twilight Belt if you feel like it, or Hurch'lan if you need more acc


Mani feet aren't worth it as a base, but I can't comment on their value if augmented.
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By pchan 2013-05-07 13:45:46
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the acc will make them quickly preferable to usukane +1 because they also get da +3%. In delve AF2+2 hands are a must even tenryu +1 get eclipsed and they are easy to get.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-07 13:50:36
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pchan said: »
the acc will make them quickly preferable to usukane +1 because they also get da +3%. In delve AF2+2 hands are a must even tenryu +1 get eclipsed and they are easy to get.


Are you have ACC issues farming Plasma?? Besides Ceizak zone during buff minutes (after text messages) most DDs with Delve weapons are capping ACC.
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By Lakshmi.Bladewing 2013-05-07 14:07:39
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Currently this is what I use for TP/Smite... Manibo legs are obvious upgrade but not sure what else, from what I can see the spreadsheet shows this as best but maybe missing something.

TP
ItemSet 78358

Smite (Tantra+2 body when Impetus is up)
ItemSet 210755

* Byakko have Crit+4, sTP+4 (working on str+crit but ya...)
* Moonshade is Att/TPBonus

Also, What are the current best sets for Delve? I hear lot about ACC and know it is needed but someone have good setup for it?

I have all stuff (thaumas, melee+2, usu+1) but the Tenru stuff, could possibly get NQ but doubt worth it?
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By pchan 2013-05-07 14:48:33
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
pchan said: »
the acc will make them quickly preferable to usukane +1 because they also get da +3%. In delve AF2+2 hands are a must even tenryu +1 get eclipsed and they are easy to get.


Are you have ACC issues farming Plasma?? Besides Ceizak zone during buff minutes (after text messages) most DDs with Delve weapons are capping ACC.

no you need madrigals to cap or sushi.
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By Leviathan.Mdkuser 2013-05-07 14:59:50
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on NQ mobs in morrimar I need sushi to cap, I dont cap even using mars's ring, ziel charm, kaggen's ammo and letalis mantle (+35 acc above normal gear).
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-05-07 15:54:15
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I was capping in my high acc set with curry (excluding the zone eva boost messages) in ceizak. I think I was using rigor/mantis eye/usu+1/asperity/da set ears/thaumas/melee +2/rajas/eponas/letalis/bb/tenryu+1/usu+1. Outside of ladybugs anyways, those kinda *** me.
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By pchan 2013-05-07 15:57:52
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no you didn't. And by the way, the 3 paths slycer list on manibozho don't get any dex. Need someone to confirm or infirm that path C is eva/acc/agi and that would suck.
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By Odin.Cyprias 2013-05-07 16:14:02
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ItemSet 39309

Fully augmented STR Path Brais, Fully augmented DEX Path Rigors.

On spreadsheet, does better than with AF3+2 Legs. It's pretty obvious it would, but just to confirm.
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