That's some good news if I've ever heard any.
Annoyed I may not be first Mandau, but at least I'll tie for first.
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For the Shinies! A Guide for Thief
Has anyone checked the Oboro Dagger for upgrades? the Aettir report gives me hope the other weapons might have significant bonuses... I don't own the dagger and I've already traded in a relic for upgrade so he's not letting me do anything else... or I'd see for myself.
So far, we have
1000tp = 60 seconds (for sure) 2000tp = 120 seconds 3000tp = 180 seconds (for sure) Duration scales with tp, so 1500tp will give more than 1000tp and less than 2000tp. Afterglow duration still 30 seconds. Doesn't look like an increase the bonus to Mercy Stroke, they're both still doing about the same damage (w/Rudra @ 1000 and Moonshade). That's what I remember from before. I'm open to being wrong on that. SAMercy with the new Mandau still does about 15% less than SARudra with the previous Vajra, so yeah, there's that. Relic x3 proc is still x3. Tracking my hits for about 10 minutes now. Highest proc crit is 486, highest regular crit is 160, which is x3.03. Highest proc hit is 316, highest regular hit is 107, which is x2.95 Was beating on Uragnites I didn't pay any attention to proc rate
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Soooo, since nobody has asked this question yet:
How good does TEH SANDUNG get after Oboro's done messing with it? Bg wiki reports triple attack+ 3%, crust rate +5%, and acc +50. Not terrible at all.
I'm still going to offhand my Twashtar once I finish with it though.
Bismarck.Ihina said: » I'm still going to offhand my Twashtar once I finish with it though. Well yeah.. With 50 DEX +269 skill and that delay, I'd do that too. I wonder for non double REM holders, such as myself, whether Sandung would make a good replacement for Sari or Skinflayer. Looking at the stats, aside from base damage, +50 Acc, +5% Crit rate, + 5% WSD and TA +3% seem quite hard to give up. Let's not forget about that OMG TH+1 you get back from wielding it once more!!! (Edit: obviously Jk) So the sandunger gimps were right all along!?
Low delay it has not. The acc is all it has going for it.
If you super duper need acc for whatever reason and there's no brd/geo around, I imagine going Twashtar/Sandung would be ideal. For offhands, calculations showing a perfect Sari still ahead of Sandung. Twashtar is the best offhand, of course. This is disregarding high accuracy situations, as I don't have any solid enemy stats on content where accuracy is an issue.
Somewhat related, Mandau does really well with a set heavy on TA and Crit, compared to where Vajra does really well with a set heavy more on STP and TA. The key difference here is Mandau is taking advantage of much greater melee DPS, while Vajra shines with WSs. Overall, Vajra would pull well ahead assuming you aren't holding back on your WSs. Aeneas seems to be pretty much on par with Mandau, potentially ahead by a little (though surely I'm not exploring all possibilities). Also worth noting that the damage changes makes Mandalic a much stronger choice in high def situations, even for non-Vajra owners. For Mandau owners, the 1000%ish TP WS of choice on strong enemies would likely be Evisceration.
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176 and below is low delay
178 to 186 is medium delay 186 to 200 is high delay 201+ is stupid You can't compare a high delay weapon to stupid high delay weapons and call it low delay Verda said: » Sari will lose as offhand to a skinflayer with the right augs, if you have a max taming you can use it but if you get good enough augs it's replaced. For non RME thf, and even with at least Vajra, skinflayer with max augs beats any other option, outside another RME offhand. Sylph.Jeanpaul said: » For offhands, calculations showing a perfect Sari still ahead of Sandung. Twashtar is the best offhand, of course. This is disregarding high accuracy situations, as I don't have any solid enemy stats on content where accuracy is an issue. CL130 seems to be around 1200~1250 acc needed for cap. CL 135 was 1350~1400, CL 145 is something absurd like 1800. So I guess the 1200 and 1400 figures could be used. Bream sushi gives 82 accuracy, Sublime gives 100, so base off those figures. Sublime is expensive so I would only use it on serious content for drops and not for something like apex or lower tier farming. 1100 accuracy before food or buffs seems to be a good benchmark. Asura.Saevel said: » Sylph.Jeanpaul said: » For offhands, calculations showing a perfect Sari still ahead of Sandung. Twashtar is the best offhand, of course. This is disregarding high accuracy situations, as I don't have any solid enemy stats on content where accuracy is an issue. CL130 seems to be around 1200~1250 acc needed for cap. CL 135 was 1350~1400, CL 145 is something absurd like 1800. So I guess the 1200 and 1400 figures could be used. Bream sushi gives 82 accuracy, Sublime gives 100, so base off those figures. Sublime is expensive so I would only use it on serious content for drops and not for something like apex or lower tier farming. 1100 accuracy before food or buffs seems to be a good benchmark. Verda said: » All of the major daggers since SR that came out have been 195+ delay, so in comparison to the best non RME offhand choices at the moment which are all 200+, yes it is low delay, you can twist it whatever way you want to feel right but what I said is no less true, low delay and lower damage also tends to favor offhand not main hand so it was right to bring that up in discussing sandung vs the top offhands that aren't RME because in comparison it is low delay. All the major daggers since SR have been high or stupid high delay weapons. You Are Literally Comparing It To Some Of The Highest Delay Daggers In The Game and then calling it low delay The range of delay is literally 142 to 215. 200 is not on the low end of that. It's amazing that you're being this stubborn. Verda said: » Odin.Sheelay said: » GL gedtting that.... I honestly do not think the augment system from SR is any worse than the one involved in Escha. The only bad thing with is you are unable to pick the drop that gets a roll on augments. Having to spend loads of time talking to a npc and rolling augments over and over is far more annoying than doing SR which, along the way, could always net you some AHable items. Neither system is good, but SR feels less of a waste of time. Verda said: » 20 dmg, 30 acc, 30 attack, 15 dex, and 4% TA which I believe is still short of max from what I've heard but I played the safe side. Verda said: » You're simply taking what I said in comparing daggers and making it an absolute, like I'm saying it has the lowest delay in the game. It's a simple miscommunication you don't have to make a big deal out of it, and you're not trying to understand what my post was saying but subvert it instead, so at this point you're wasting my time. I'm not saying you're saying it's the lowest delay in the game. What I'm saying is entirely straight forward, clear and has been repeated. You are literally comparing it to some of the H-I-G-H-E-S-T delay daggers in the entire game and then calling it low delay by comparison. If 0 is the lowest delay dagger in the game and 10 is the highest, this dagger is literally an 8. An 8 out of 10 is not a low number. It's like saying the Mandau is a high delay weapon, because, ya know, there are lower delay weapons. Disagree with that? Well, it's because you're saying that I'm saying the Mandau is the highest delay weapon in the game and clearly I'm not doing that. The Mandau is a high delay weapon and the Sandung is a low delay weapon. What a world we live in. And I've gotten 3TA without fern, I'm pretty sure. Up to date, minus the new RME and damage caps until they are more understood:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/v2ju22v7yuyp3zp/DPS_Calculator_-_Thf_general-custom1.xlsx im not really sure that ta% would be better than wsd either.
SR when an item is shown it has 10% chance of rolling perfect augs. You say SR aug system is worse than skirmish 2... literally this statement describes reis aug system instead. Not liking to kill the Adoulin heroes is just lol. Sandung is not a low delay dagger. It's on the upper end of average delay. Verda said: » augment stuff As far as the pDIF change goes, there's been enough testing to say it's 3.25 for 1-handed weapons. Other recent findings include that Aeneas' TP Bonus does not work offhand (unsurprising). I've nearly completed my update to the spreadsheet, which now includes vorseals, cheers, updated WSs and damage calculations, gear, Larceny, Gifts, Job Points, Abjuration set bonuses, the ability to calculate COR rolls by the rolled number/COR gear, and some other things. The few things I need to touch up are: - Calculating Hundred Fists as it works for non-h2h weapons, especially in conjunction with Dual Wield (not critical but I'd like to have it) - Twashtar's Aftermath damage bonus, which does look like it was factored in? - Simpler things like registering Mandau's AM, and making Aeneas's TP Bonus only work mainhand - New foods, I always forget these - More gear that I've missed probably
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