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 Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-15 14:12:27
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30%
30/100

That's your 100.

Post says reduced to 30% of what it is now, so 70% cut.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-03-15 14:13:18
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
Them nerfing twilight scythe was pretty stupid. Also when does this go live? I want to go back to *** BR already to get my sune-ate!:(
Day of the expansion release

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Content related to "Seekers of Adoulin" will be discussed in a separate post - this time, I'm writing about the adjustments that will be introduced in the March 28 version update [[March 27 NA time]].
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By Ragnarok.Ghishlain 2013-03-15 14:14:07
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Enuyasha said: »
Phoenix.Brixy said: »
100 - 70 = 30
math is hard.
yea, but where we dealing 100% enmity with the current amount...

This is where i was confused. Explaining without being a douchefuck is hard too.

edit: i just wanted to know where the numbers were coming from. That was it.

100% - 30% = 70% <<< Example of reducing it BY 30%
100% - 70% = 30% <<< Example of reducing it TO 30%

Please note the difference, thank you.

Your end result is 30%, therefore to get to 30% from 100%, you need to subtract 70% from it.
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By Enuyasha 2013-03-15 14:14:49
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
30%
30/100

That's your 100.

Post says reduced to 30% of what it is now, so 70% cut.
Ragnarok.Ghishlain said: »

100 - 30 = 70 <<< Example of reducing it BY 30%
100 - 70 = 30 <<< Example of reducing it TO 30%

Please note the difference, thank you.

...whatever, thanks for clarifying.
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By Quiznor 2013-03-15 14:15:56
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I'm truely shocked at the amount of people struggling to understand to/by %'s

Seriously
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-03-15 14:16:14
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2nd grade math is hard.
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By Enuyasha 2013-03-15 14:17:41
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Whatever, i just wanted clarification.

Anyway, ***looks good except for the twilight stuff.
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2013-03-15 14:18:47
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Quiznor said: »
I'm truely shocked at the amount of people struggling to understand to/by %'s

Seriously
America is what? 27th in math?
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-03-15 14:18:59
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oversight on my part. Thanks Kali! :D
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By Quiznor 2013-03-15 14:20:32
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Ragnarok.Zohnax said: »
Quiznor said: »
I'm truely shocked at the amount of people struggling to understand to/by %'s

Seriously
America is what? 27th in math?

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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-03-15 14:20:45
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Ragnarok.Zohnax said: »
Quiznor said: »
I'm truely shocked at the amount of people struggling to understand to/by %'s

Seriously
America is what? 27th in math?
American students ranked 25th in math, 17th in science and 14th in reading.
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By Quiznor 2013-03-15 14:21:15
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Ragnarok.Zohnax said: »
Quiznor said: »
I'm truely shocked at the amount of people struggling to understand to/by %'s

Seriously
America is what? 27th in math?
American students ranked 25th in math, 17th in science and 14th in reading.

What about AH users? ;) Where did they place :x
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-03-15 14:21:48
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So how is pld gonna do better on enmity? I mean their dmg is gonna get improved, but enmity through dmg is being radically reduced... Is flash/voke/sentinel/rampart/healing really gonna cover the gaps now?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-03-15 14:21:59
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Quiznor said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Ragnarok.Zohnax said: »
Quiznor said: »
I'm truely shocked at the amount of people struggling to understand to/by %'s

Seriously
America is what? 27th in math?
American students ranked 25th in math, 17th in science and 14th in reading.

What about AH users? ;) Where did they place :x
They didn't qualify :(
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-03-15 14:23:03
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By Quiznor 2013-03-15 14:23:10
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Quiznor said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Ragnarok.Zohnax said: »
Quiznor said: »
I'm truely shocked at the amount of people struggling to understand to/by %'s

Seriously
America is what? 27th in math?
American students ranked 25th in math, 17th in science and 14th in reading.

What about AH users? ;) Where did they place :x
They didn't qualify :(

Sad beep :(
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-03-15 14:23:48
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Sheesh, some of you people are vicious.
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By Enuyasha 2013-03-15 14:24:54
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
So how is pld gonna do better on enmity? I mean their dmg is gonna get improved, but enmity through dmg is being radically reduced... Is flash/voke/sentinel/rampart/healing really gonna cover the gaps now?
It should :<

Although i highly doubt that anything is going to live long enough with ZERGZERGZERG spam DD's.

Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Sheesh, some of you people are vicious.
Over the littlest ***too.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-03-15 14:26:11
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Sorry, I'm late. Is this the thread where everyone has an overblown reaction to a simple misunderstanding? I have all my condescending remarks ready!
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By Quiznor 2013-03-15 14:26:24
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
So how is pld gonna do better on enmity? I mean their dmg is gonna get improved, but enmity through dmg is being radically reduced... Is flash/voke/sentinel/rampart/healing really gonna cover the gaps now?

It seems that way if proper tanking comes back into play,I cant remember the exact values from the enmity thing,but reduced damage enmity by 70% gives enmity based JA's and spells a better foothold FOR A WHILE. Because of decay and CE/VE. But it also gives the potential for "***its on a mage/DD /voke" (for arguements sake its not a skilled,well geared DD)to be enough to save someone. I'm just talking outta my arse atm though
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-03-15 14:26:57
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Enuyasha said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
So how is pld gonna do better on enmity? I mean their dmg is gonna get improved, but enmity through dmg is being radically reduced... Is flash/voke/sentinel/rampart/healing really gonna cover the gaps now?
It should :<

Although i highly doubt that anything is going to live long enough with ZERGZERGZERG spam DD's.

Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Sheesh, some of you people are vicious.
Over the littlest ***too.

Well with AoE's and the def adjustment, some melee won't be able to just go nuts I wouldn't think. though with 70% less enmity from dmg, they just might.... lol. SoA videos show the major NMs using AoE magic attacks of some fashion it looks like, so Run is gonna be huge I think in the big NM battles. Maybe they'll be our tanks :P
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-03-15 14:27:01
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Sheesh, some of you people are vicious.
Exactly, I'm not sure why we needed a whole page devoted to the question of why it's 30%.
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By Ragnarok.Ghishlain 2013-03-15 14:27:10
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
So how is pld gonna do better on enmity? I mean their dmg is gonna get improved, but enmity through dmg is being radically reduced... Is flash/voke/sentinel/rampart/healing really gonna cover the gaps now?

My thought process on this is that it's damage specifically that's getting their enmity adjusted. I base this assumption on the fact that they're doing a seperate adjustment for Cure V. If they were doing a broad range enmity adjustment in general, they wouldn't need to adjust Cure V specifically for this update.

But that's my assumption and I could be mistaken.

[EDIT] Well, I'm sorry if you thought my comment was condescending. I was just trying to explain it in a simple way to have it make sense. If you still do not understand, than I'm not sure what else to say. ~Shrugs~
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-03-15 14:29:18
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Ragnarok.Ghishlain said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
So how is pld gonna do better on enmity? I mean their dmg is gonna get improved, but enmity through dmg is being radically reduced... Is flash/voke/sentinel/rampart/healing really gonna cover the gaps now?

My thought process on this is that it's damage specifically that's getting their enmity adjusted. I base this assumption on the fact that they're doing a seperate adjustment for Cure V. If they were doing a broad range enmity adjustment in general, they wouldn't need to adjust Cure V specifically for this update.

But that's my assumption and I could be mistaken.

No I realize that, but are the JA's + flash + curing from the pld really going to be enough, is what I'm wondering. I guess we'll have to see, and mages might have to let plds do some healing again.
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By Enuyasha 2013-03-15 14:30:14
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
No I realize that, but are the JA's + flash + curing from the pld really going to be enough, is what I'm wondering. I guess we'll have to see, and mages might have to let plds do some healing again.
This is why i've made a curecheat set even though i really dont need one :<
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-03-15 14:30:16
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Siren.Thoraeon said: »
2nd grade math is hard.
it is... IN AMERICA
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-15 14:31:07
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Sheesh, some of you people are vicious.
Exactly, I'm not sure why we needed a whole page devoted to the question of why it's 30%.
Cause he asked.
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By Quiznor 2013-03-15 14:32:38
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Valefor.Sapphire said: »
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
2nd grade math is hard.
it is... IN AMERICA

ABRIDGED WOOOOOOO

Also sapphire did you notice you're one of the guild leaders in the new expansion :O
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By Fenrir.Hanabira 2013-03-15 14:41:13
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Soo.. they gave 1 example of before/after with the atk/def ratio... does that mean defense is less effective now? if thats possible
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-03-15 14:43:18
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Fenrir.Hanabira said: »
Soo.. they gave 1 example of before/after with the atk/def ratio... does that mean defense is less effective now? if thats possible

Quite the opposite. It's more effective.
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