Superman's moral code would stop him from taking Goku's life and because Goku is a Saiyan, his power would only increase due to recovering from severe injuries. Eventually, even Dragon Ball's Kid Goku would fight on par with Superman. This is just straight fighting without regard for things like Kryptonite, time travel, dropping people into volcanoes (lol) and so on.
As for the Flash, I believe it has to do with his limitless/near limitless energy and his speed, obviously. He isn't however, as durable as someone like Superman.
Goku Vs. Superman
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Goku vs. Superman
As far as the Saiyan injury plot device, they stopped using it (for Saiyans) with nothing notable for the rest of the series since they started transforming to become super saiyans.
It made a come back when Cell exploded himself, and ended there for the rest of the series. Bringing up SSJ4 is just dumb because it's not in the manga, it's filler.
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: » Bringing up SSJ4 is just dumb because it's not in the manga, it's filler. Was the trait completely removed from continuity or is it just that they didn't really mention it after Cell Saga? If it's the latter, then I'd still consider it part of being a Saiyan.
Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: » To further douse their understanding of DBZ, Goku is unable to utilize the Spirit bomb in a super sayian state, hence to actually wield it against kid buu, he reverts back to base form. (As shown in this, quite frankly poor video, he completely utilizises it while under super sayian against super man.) I thought the reason he used the Spirit Bomb against Kid Buu in his normal form was that SSJ3 drained too much of his power. Also, after Dende used the last wish to restore his power, he transforms into a Super Saiyan to stop the Spirit Bomb and send it back at Kid Buu. If he is unable to use it because of some impure BS while transformed he wouldn't be capable of taking control of it again. Goku uses and absorbs the Spirit Bomb as a Super Saiyan against Super Android 13 as well. superman's moral code? he beat doomsday to death! and was weaken by kryptonite left darksied to die by his peoples hands which backfired "Too you I'm a monster but to them I am god.." -Darksied on planet Apocalypse. two instances where superman "moral code" went right out the window. your argument is invalid.
Lakshmi.Alryc said: » Was the trait completely removed from continuity or is it just that they didn't really mention it after Cell Saga? If it's the latter, then I'd still consider it part of being a Saiyan. It's like how Gohan's tail kept going back but Vegeta's never did lol Bahamut.Blze said: » superman's moral code? he beat doomsday to death! and was weaken by kryptonite left darksied to die by his peoples hands which backfired "Too you I'm a monster but to them I am god.." -Darksied on planet Apocalypse. two instances where superman "moral code" went right out the window. your argument is invalid. Are you really trying to argue Superman's moral code? lol
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Lakshmi.Alryc said: » Bahamut.Blze said: » superman's moral code? he beat doomsday to death! and was weaken by kryptonite left darksied to die by his peoples hands which backfired "Too you I'm a monster but to them I am god.." -Darksied on planet Apocalypse. two instances where superman "moral code" went right out the window. your argument is invalid. Bahamut.Blze said: » superman's moral code? he beat doomsday to death! and was weaken by kryptonite left darksied to die by his peoples hands which backfired "Too you I'm a monster but to them I am god.." -Darksied on planet Apocalypse. two instances where superman "moral code" went right out the window. your argument is invalid. He left Darkseid to be judged by his people, but was mad-disappointing when his people nurtured him, instead of striking him down. Supes is called a boy-scout for a reason. Bismarck.Misao said: » Bahamut.Blze said: » superman's moral code? he beat doomsday to death! and was weaken by kryptonite left darksied to die by his peoples hands which backfired "Too you I'm a monster but to them I am god.." -Darksied on planet Apocalypse. two instances where superman "moral code" went right out the window. your argument is invalid. Bismarck.Strange said: » Bismarck.Misao said: » Bahamut.Blze said: » superman's moral code? he beat doomsday to death! and was weaken by kryptonite left darksied to die by his peoples hands which backfired "Too you I'm a monster but to them I am god.." -Darksied on planet Apocalypse. two instances where superman "moral code" went right out the window. your argument is invalid. had to dig this up, was from a 1988 story Quote: Pocket Universe Zod This Zod came from a Krypton in a pocket universe created by the Time Trapper. He (along with companions Quex-Ul and Zaora) devastated the Earth of that universe following the death of its Superboy, despite the best efforts of a Supergirl created by this world's heroic Lex Luthor. Eventually, the survivors of this world managed to contact the Superman of the main universe to help them, and he was able to take away the powers of the three super-criminals with Gold Kryptonite (since he was not from that universe, the Kryptonite of that reality would have no effect on him). However, as the three vowed to some day regain their powers and return to Superman's world to kill him, Superman was forced to execute them with Kryptonite;[4] and it was this action which caused him to question his powers and how to deal with evildoers. yes but he did not have to kill them, the phantom zone was always an option.
Didn't Vegeta get a powerup after eating the last senzu, before fighting Buu? He came in like a fawkin baws too.
They were doing both.
The only thing I did not like about the video was in the start of the fight....
Goku picked the fight. I do not believe Goku would do that. That and Goku very very rarely used the Power Pole past Dragonball. I think he had it in a few of the movies, but thats about it. Loved the Budokai music at the start of the fight, gave it a sort of friendly sparring feel. That aside, I learned a lot about them that I didnt know. Also, off-topic: Anyone know where I can watch anything Superman related? Like Justice League, Justice League Heroes, anything animated? Hulu/Netflix doesnt have those I mentioned. Bismarck.Josiahfk said: » this has probably been said by now but yeah, they made the fight exactly like Vegetta vs superman. Even the kamahamaha pointed towards the planet? it would destroy everyone including himself if it landed, Goku'd never do that They both value human lives a great deal. The outcome is believeable though, the only way I could see goku winning would be surprising superman and teleporting him trillions of light years from any red or normal star. so superman even with his speed would run out of power before getting close to a source to recharge found it silly the fight started in Metropolis, destroying buildings and stuff. Both wouldnt allow it, much less the destruction of earth. superman would be too fast to be teleported someplace else tho. Bismarck.Josiahfk said: » Bismarck.Misao said: » Bismarck.Josiahfk said: » this has probably been said by now but yeah, they made the fight exactly like Vegetta vs superman. Even the kamahamaha pointed towards the planet? it would destroy everyone including himself if it landed, Goku'd never do that They both value human lives a great deal. The outcome is believeable though, the only way I could see goku winning would be surprising superman and teleporting him trillions of light years from any red or normal star. so superman even with his speed would run out of power before getting close to a source to recharge found it silly the fight started in Metropolis, destroying buildings and stuff. Both wouldnt allow it, much less the destruction of earth. superman would be too fast to be teleported someplace else tho. He has to touch the other person and then focus on where he wants to go though
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: » Bismarck.Josiahfk said: » Bismarck.Misao said: » Bismarck.Josiahfk said: » this has probably been said by now but yeah, they made the fight exactly like Vegetta vs superman. Even the kamahamaha pointed towards the planet? it would destroy everyone including himself if it landed, Goku'd never do that They both value human lives a great deal. The outcome is believeable though, the only way I could see goku winning would be surprising superman and teleporting him trillions of light years from any red or normal star. so superman even with his speed would run out of power before getting close to a source to recharge found it silly the fight started in Metropolis, destroying buildings and stuff. Both wouldnt allow it, much less the destruction of earth. superman would be too fast to be teleported someplace else tho. He has to touch the other person and then focus on where he wants to go though Catch a punch and just hold on tight and that would get that part out of the way. Where would he teleport him to? Superman can survive in places Goku can't lol. Not to mention he has to feel Ki somewhere to teleport
I think the reason for teleportation would be so that they don't ruin earth.
one thing tho... doesnt Non-Ki attacks, have more chance of hurting Goku than Ki attacks ?
like, during Cell saga, before the tournament, Goku is sleeping on the ground in SSJ2 form, Krillin tosses a small rock at him, hurting him (lightly), and on DGB GT, he tries attacking one of the dragons with rubble, saying "maybe he couldnt sense the attack if it was a non-ki attack" ?(something like that) with this in mind, while he might hurt Supes with his attacks, he cant really see Supes attacks very well (sight only) and they can do more damage than normal (piercing his Ki aura?)? Kuririn tossing a rock at him is filler, just like GT is so you'd have to ask Toriyama lol
That's potentially viable, that normal strikes would pass through his Ki "barrier", but it really depends on a few things, and those're things that aren't specifically written about and can't be inferred from. I think it's kind of inferred that he can be startled just like anyone else, and if he's not in his state of battle, he's probably relaxed and let's his defenses down. His body is still incredibly fortified in general though, so I doubt it hurt more than startled him. It's a way to make him seem human, despite being as far from us as possible. GT isn't canon, so meh.
And with reflexes, not all of his senses come from Ki. I'm pretty positive that his senses are ratified along with his body, which is only enhanced further by his Ki. Sylph.Tigerwoods said: » Quote: It was stated pretty well that "Kid Buu" was the strongest Buu, that his absorptions of the Kai weakened him. Jetackuu said: » Ragnarok.Raenil said: » Kid Buu was the strongest base form, yes. But Super Buu, after he absorbed Gohan, was more powerful than Kid Buu was. Just think of it this way. Vegetto was the strongest character period. Of course they'd give him the strongest Buu to fight with (Buuhan) Edit: Multiple translations of this, but they've all basically said the same thing but in diff words.  At this point in the series, he has been every single type of Buu except Super Buu, including Super Buu. I think he knows his own power more than anyone else. Then just on the basis that Super Buu has Gohan as well, who is stronger than Gotenks + the ingredients of Gotenks (goten + trunks), safe to say that Buuhan > Buutenks > Rest of the Buus Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Mystic Gohan > Super Picollo Buu(after gotenks fusion wore off) > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Buu > Kid Buu >= SSj3 Goku > Fat Buu > SSJ2 Vegeta |
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