Looking To See What Role Is A RDM Now?

Excuse me, having a subjob is not productive for a WAR DRK SAM MNK, much better to use that unlock on a SCH mule so they can function in the same role that the RDM would do without. Expand your mind beyond your blatant hatered of the job.

I'm sort of in Saevel's camp on the subject. Since we're bringing WHM into this, I'd say that heavy DD + WHM/THF (TH sash makes it even nicer) is the way to go for strictly farming Usu plans, in the interest of time (although Lye's NIN seems to be better geared than most, so would give a pass here). Really anything is fine if it's just plan farming.


I have ~20 times, a friend and I dual-boxing for my Mala (no clusters), it's not that bad.

SCH/BLM is far superior to RDM at CS stun. Kinda lame they destroyed the one saving grace of RDM.

RDM is still useful in dynamis though. I love RDM/DNC + BLU/DNC combo. It's not bad in salvage either. I'd definitely use RDM over WHM, but probably not over SCH. Embrava is too delicious, even nerfed.

Think about it. Limiting your way of farming Salvage by skipping bosses, because you can't clear all NMs+bosses with your RDM (mule 2-boxing?) is pretty relevant to what's been going on the last two pages.

More like you can't clear all NMs + bosses with a just a NIN for DD. Don't see what's up with all the RDM hate in here. Can fully clear all NMs and bosses with RDM, WHM or SCH as healer.

Never had to skip any bosses, in fact the superior speed RDM give on lower floors allowed us to farm alex as well and still clear both bosses. As long as you're not using the 2012 zergfest method on everything in sight, RDM heals just fine.

This is true. I don't deny this. I don't deny that as a nin I'm unable to kill either cerb. That doesn't have anything to do with rdm or what people do with it. Sch wouldn't change that. Whm wouldn't change that.

What does have to do with rdm is that in the aforementioned scenario, it provides a faster route to all usu plan dropping nms. Therefore, it is a use for rdm.

I like how this turned into the "superior way to do salvage" though. Keep it up!

Since when do you do Salvage? >:

That was in response to Zelphes implying it's the RDM's fault that you can't duo the bosses with your setup.

I'm sorry. I misread. I'm also sad I missed your shout for ein today.

Your avatar is creepy, by the way. What the hell is that?

Great Teacher Onizuka waking up. Everyone thinks it's a crying kid;;;

Since you got your piece >.>

It's no surprise the reason he can't kill the bosses is because he's NIN - this was already covered last page.

Restricting your salvage farm (skipping bosses), and then saying RDM is the "superior" mage in your niche-farming (farming plans only) doesn't pass off as a good argument.

I clear all nms+bosses+almost a full wing for alex in that zone as MNK+SCH with ease.

And I can tell you this:

for plan-farming only, RDM and SCH are pretty much identical, with some benefits towards SCH once JA/SUB is unlocked since you can just leave perp'd phal/Regen 5 up and not care about HP (merit+aug storm buffs+regain is nice too) giving more room for offensive spells.

In this zone, RDM doesn't have any noticeable advantages as starter mage - going in with two.

If you need to top off mp, you aspir the puddings.

For bosses, SCH blows RDM out of the way - even with nerfed Embrava.

So in no way is RDM "superior" for even plan-farming/the scenario you're suggesting. Can RDM do it well? sure it's just friggin plan NMs.



Just take into consideration that the discussion between Lye and me involves 2 characters farming only.

If you use a 3rd player, I'd agree to the above.



Uh since it was out.

Pretty sure that was aimed at me, or it wouldn't made any sense :x

Was a jab at a friend, its not all about you zel :p

Damn, that was mad confusing then haha. Did I overdo it?

A little

Yea, that was aimed at Jass, not you. :s

My post was directed towards this.

Didn't say it was.

I'm not arguing that RDM is a better healer in Salvage overall. I'm saying a group can completely clear all NMs, all gears (possibly excluding some SSR), and both bosses with either RDM, SCH or WHM, so I'm not sure why people (mainly Saevel) are trying to completely write off RDM altogether. I personally don't care what my mage chooses to go as. It's all the same to me.

The line under your quote was directed @you only.

Though, using 2 characters only, and your support being RDM can make HQ cerb painful and a long fight since Embrava+Regen 5 and buffed Kaustra goes a long way in that fight.

But certainly doable with skilled/decked out characters.

Dude.



I think we'll end here. It's a nice summary.

Because there is absolutely nothing RDM brings to the table that SCH or WHM doesn't do better. Never said it wasn't functional only that there were far superior options available. You mind as well start arguing on bringing DNC and PUP to salvage.


Except he's horribly wrong. There is no speed increase from RDM, none zilch zero nada. If anything there would be a decrease as you have to wait for status ailments to wear off. The guys pushing RDM are doing so because they have no other options not because it's better then SCH or WHM.

This isn't me hating, RDM is actually my favorite job. I'm being real with folks, SE has refused to give RDM anything really game changing while giving WHM, SCH, BLU and soon RUN tons of nifty tools and abilities. This has resulted in other jobs having everything that RDM does while also having their own specialized abilities and tools. I'm only using salvage as it's an event I've done a metric f*ck ton of by leading a group. The same logic that applies here will apple to everything else, meebles, voidwatch, abyssea, legion, NNI, even new stuff from SOA. There isn't a situation with a RDM in it that can't be made better by replacing them with a SCH, BLU, WHM or PLD (depending on situation). So really RDM becomes a bandaid job, something you use because nobody in your group has SCH, WHM, BLU, ect.. leveled / geared. It's the donut spare tire you keep in your trunk.

Except it doesn't. The scenario did not falsify the claim that SCH > RDM in salvage. You can't claim "I win because I declare myself correct".

You sure are making a lot of false assumptions.

What exactly makes RDM superior for plan-only runs going as NIN/THF+RDM?

You have not once explained to why RDM suppose to be "superior" for this kinda farming.

In contrast to you, I actually gave an explanation about how both jobs perform for your kind of farming.

Name them.


Their operating under the faulty premise that RDM makes it "faster" on the first floor. In actual use it's no more faster then SCH and potentially slower then WHM. Throughout the entire run it's overall the worst choice of healer between the three. Provides nothing the other two can't do better. Their also trying to pretend Phalanx II on a naked RDM actually means something which nearly made be shoot coffee out my nose.

The "fastest" healer on 1st floor is WHM/RDM, only needs 1 SJ and 1 Magic unlock which allows the guaranteed JA and possible second JA to go to one of the two DDs. If you get two subs then the 2nd sub will go the DD that get JA unlocked. You now have Haste, Refresh, Dia II, Paralyze, Slow, Protect V, Shell V, -na's and erase, everything required to breeze through the initial unlock phase. It lags behind WHM/SCH and SCH/RDM later in the run once those two combos get JA and some gear options.

There is no such thing as a "two man" salvage run, minimum entry requirements are three. Most dual boxers will make it a BRD or a THF though, which is why going /THF on one of the DD's isn't just stupid, it's beyond HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

I don't get how this is still going on.

I was saying that because Havana is such a joke now that successfully main healing it on RDM isn't exactly an accomplishment.

I have been shouting for a 3rd to enter my characters for a fee, then they warp out.