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 Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-07-02 20:43:38
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Thanks for this. The guy who I am talking for has loved WAR for many years and has nothing else to spend gil on, so decided to finish off an Ukon he began way back when Abyssea was added.

He has Chango and a Fencer build set, but struggles in Odyssey, mostly because he's an older player and lacks reaction speed to get from mob to mob. We've tried different things to up his game there, so will try him out with Ukon when he gets it. I'm aware it might not always be ideal, depending on which monster families we fight, but it's just experimenting at this point, to see if we can get him doing more.

And also, it's not just about segment farming. If there's a situation where I feel an Ukon is going to do more, it would be nice to know so I can ask. Even if he doesn't use it often, he will cherish it as much as he does Conqueror and Bravura that he never uses anymore.
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By Lili 2025-07-03 02:53:05
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The main hurdle in OdyC is simply agility when switching mobs. Ukon will not help with that, and in fact will probably make things worse if he doesn't have the speed/presence to go like "ok next WS will kill the mob so I need to switch mobs while the ws animation is still playing".

The main trick in OdyC is to change your WS macro to have a /attack <stnpc> line at the end - if the mob is not dieing after WS, you cancel the target, if it's dieing then you quickly tab to something else and confirm. This will make you switch mobs without sheating/unsheating, provided the timing was right. It's easier with a bit more lag. It will of course fail if someone else kills your mob.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-07-03 03:09:03
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Lili said: »
The main trick in OdyC is to change your WS macro to have a /attack <stnpc> line at the end - if the mob is not dieing after WS, you cancel the target, if it's dieing then you quickly tab to something else and confirm. This will make you switch mobs without sheating/unsheating, provided the timing was right. It's easier with a bit more lag. It will of course fail if someone else kills your mob.

This is an interesting idea, never thought of this.

Another option, if your combat menu is normally at the top, you can just hit enter and it will accomplish the same thing.
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By K123 2025-07-03 03:26:50
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Or tell him to drink a can of red bull before each run
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-07-03 13:39:32
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Lili said: »
The main hurdle in OdyC is simply agility when switching mobs. Ukon will not help with that, and in fact will probably make things worse if he doesn't have the speed/presence to go like "ok next WS will kill the mob so I need to switch mobs while the ws animation is still playing".

The main trick in OdyC is to change your WS macro to have a /attack <stnpc> line at the end - if the mob is not dieing after WS, you cancel the target, if it's dieing then you quickly tab to something else and confirm. This will make you switch mobs without sheating/unsheating, provided the timing was right. It's easier with a bit more lag. It will of course fail if someone else kills your mob.

Yeah, I tried this before for myself after you suggested, and could not get to grips with it, so I know for a 100% fact he won't, lol. I'll just get him out somewhere and practice target switching when we have time.

With me, I'm so used to the actual switch target command in the menu. The only thing I don't do compared to some is third party stuff like Gearswap, that thing that lets you move during JA and WS, clipping through mobs, etc. I know it would help, but I just don't want to play with them for 5-10% more damage in a run. When a DD outperforms me, it is usually because of those things, lol.

Still am interested to know where Ukon shines for those who actually have one, though. If there any other cases outside of those already mentioned.
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By SimonSes 2025-07-03 14:29:01
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It can easily shine in Sortie, because it doesn't care for WS wall at all.
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By spicychai 2025-08-01 10:49:36
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Does anyone have some POVs / videos demonstrating just end-game gameplay of WAR?

I was fixated on building it because the idea of multi-attack and TPing like crazy was very appealing, and wanted to see how it looks rather than me getting all JSE and JP just to test it out.
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By Asura.Itsasaga 2025-08-01 11:39:13
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By Asura.Murdokk 2025-10-22 15:50:31
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Does anyone have a current BiS Cloudsplitter set?
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By Taint 2025-10-22 15:59:43
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Asura.Murdokk said: »
Does anyone have a current BiS Cloudsplitter set?


https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior
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By Leviathan.Fiddle 2025-10-31 22:02:48
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Leviathan.Fiddle said: »
ItemSet 365258

BEST SET looks stupid yes but if you wanna do 15k-40k Auto attacks trust me

if you have Indris GEO and a solid COR buffing you can hit 14k Consistently also with these you can reach that 40k

Double Attack JPS cape on WAR is dumb no reason to have 112% Double attack instead get the Crit hit RATE on war +10% don't believe me try it out


love to see everyone with ukonvasara do my recommendation
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By Lili 2025-11-01 07:26:08
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Leviathan.Fiddle said: »
love to see everyone with ukonvasara do my recommendation

You might want to check that ego some, because the set you posted is really nothing novel. We've been using similar Ukon AM3 sets since forever. It's not even the best possible set for it, no matter if you want total DPS or spike damage for the nnnngh.

Sorry bro.
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By Atrox78 2025-11-01 10:11:42
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Lili said: »
Leviathan.Fiddle said: »
love to see everyone with ukonvasara do my recommendation

You might want to check that ego some, because the set you posted is really nothing novel. We've been using similar Ukon AM3 sets since forever. It's not even the best possible set for it, no matter if you want total DPS or spike damage for the nnnngh.

Sorry bro.

Not to mention his set is missing the most important damage peice to make that set good. Laphria lol
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By Taint 2025-11-01 10:28:03
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Atrox78 said: »
Lili said: »
Leviathan.Fiddle said: »
love to see everyone with ukonvasara do my recommendation

You might want to check that ego some, because the set you posted is really nothing novel. We've been using similar Ukon AM3 sets since forever. It's not even the best possible set for it, no matter if you want total DPS or spike damage for the nnnngh.

Sorry bro.

Not to mention his set is missing the most important damage peice to make that set good. Laphria lol


Laphria isn't beating Ukon for white damage.

Threw this together:
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By Asura.Saevel 2025-11-01 11:19:32
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Taint said: »
Asura.Murdokk said: »
Does anyone have a current BiS Cloudsplitter set?


https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior

Basically lots of Nyame with whatever you can scrape for +MAB in other slots.

Something like this
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STR_Back = {name="Cichol's Mantle", augments={'STR+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','STR+10','Weapon skill damage +10%',}}

sets.Cloud = {
  ammo="Knobkierrie",
  head="Nyame helm",
  neck="Baetyl pendant",
  ear1="Friomisi earring",
  ear2="Moonshade earring",
  body="Nyame mail",
  hands="Nyame gauntlets",
  ring1="Epaminondas's Ring",
  ring2="Karieyh ring +1",
  back=STR_Back,
  waist="Orpheus's sash",
  legs="Nyame flanchard",
  feet="Nyame sollerets"
}
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By Valefor.Dathus 2025-11-05 10:27:05
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For WAR 1H TPing, using the Chango 50%DT BiS set from BGWiki is fine?
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By Atrox78 2025-11-05 10:34:41
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Taint said: »
Atrox78 said: »
Lili said: »
Leviathan.Fiddle said: »
love to see everyone with ukonvasara do my recommendation

You might want to check that ego some, because the set you posted is really nothing novel. We've been using similar Ukon AM3 sets since forever. It's not even the best possible set for it, no matter if you want total DPS or spike damage for the nnnngh.

Sorry bro.

Not to mention his set is missing the most important damage peice to make that set good. Laphria lol


Laphria isn't beating Ukon for white damage.

Threw this together:
ItemSet 401086

No sir it dosent. Thank you for your wisdom. It still looses in damage however unless your amnesiaed. I'll stand by my comment.
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By Asura.Reidden 2025-11-05 10:46:25
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Valefor.Dathus said: »
For WAR 1H TPing, using the Chango 50%DT BiS set from BGWiki is fine?

You're talking about the one from Izanami sets?

Edit: I saw it, I would use sakpata head and jse neck instead, everything else is fine.
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By Asura.Reidden 2025-11-05 10:52:28
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Atrox78 said: »
Taint said: »
Atrox78 said: »
Lili said: »
Leviathan.Fiddle said: »
love to see everyone with ukonvasara do my recommendation

You might want to check that ego some, because the set you posted is really nothing novel. We've been using similar Ukon AM3 sets since forever. It's not even the best possible set for it, no matter if you want total DPS or spike damage for the nnnngh.

Sorry bro.

Not to mention his set is missing the most important damage peice to make that set good. Laphria lol


Laphria isn't beating Ukon for white damage.

Threw this together:
ItemSet 401086

No sir it dosent. Thank you for your wisdom. It still looses in damage however unless your amnesiaed. I'll stand by my comment.

What if his Ukon set is his Amnesia F10 toggle button thingy, and he wins parse cuz he swung harder ^^b.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-11-05 12:57:02
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Atrox78 said: »
It still looses in damage however unless your amnesiaed.

Or unless its Qutrub/Moogle Ambuscade. Then Ukon AM3 is king.

It's also unbelievably fun to run in Segments, and doesn't take away much from the event since full clears aren't too hard to pull off anymore.
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By Bahamut.Xenophane 2025-11-06 19:33:07
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I wouldn't say I had the same experience in segments with Ukon, WAR loses AM3 so often due to just weapon swapping. Laphria is just easier to use by comparison without relying on aftermath upkeep.
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By Asura.Bippin 2025-11-06 20:58:23
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Bahamut.Xenophane said: »
I wouldn't say I had the same experience in segments with Ukon, WAR loses AM3 so often due to just weapon swapping. Laphria is just easier to use by comparison without relying on aftermath upkeep.
Ukon in segments is really nice when BRD is pulling multiple camps and you can pick and choose targets based on damage type and when AM3 is already dropping. Only time I have ever really liked it in Segments. Also use Double COR
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By Asura.Saevel 2025-11-06 21:51:52
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Bahamut.Xenophane said: »
I wouldn't say I had the same experience in segments with Ukon, WAR loses AM3 so often due to just weapon swapping. Laphria is just easier to use by comparison without relying on aftermath upkeep.


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By Carbuncle.Crowlina 2025-11-06 22:36:50
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The longer I play WAR and the more toys I pick up for it, the more I work out that it's pretty "right-tool-for-the-job". Some are multi-purpose, some are less so.

WAR/DRG with Naegling is my pick when the target is either going to die very quickly and TP gain doesn't matter as much (e.g. C seg farms, Sortie A-D bosses) or is going to live long enough and is threatening enough that enmity actually matters (e.g. Dyna-D W3 boss). Substitute in Loxotic Mace +1 for slashing resist mobs or to avoid the wall.

WAR/SAM with Chango has always pulled far ahead of other options for me when I've got the chance to self-SC freely (e.g. dumpstering Ou in Omen, certain Naakuals in Sortie, and Limbus).

WAR/SAM with Laphria is my all-rounder, except when I need to avoid certain skillchains (e.g. Sortie E boss). It hits about as hard as Naegling's Savage Blade, pound for pound, with quicker TP gain and opportunity to skillchain incidentally with others or myself if the chance comes up.

WAR/SAM with Ukonvasara if amnesia or TP wipe is a big feature of the fight (e.g. Moogle ambu), if I don't feel like thinking very hard and focus on getting uptime, or if I've got a particular suite of buffs that support the AM3 proper.

WAR/SAM with Shining One pulls ahead versus piercing weak mobs.

WAR/NIN with Ikenga's/TP Bonus OH for winging out Mistrals if I'm feeling froggy in Limbus or Dyna-D and want shadows, great for sniping skillchains with DDs working across the pack.

Farsha fencer build on deck for things like v25 Kalunga where you can do Naegling-like damage and avoid walling others, really taking advantage of the fencer trait.


I love Ukon to death, but it doesn't achieve its full potential if you're only getting bog-standard DD buffs and only fighting mobs that die in a single weaponskill.
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By Asura.Psycosocial 2025-11-07 00:00:44
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Bahamut.Xenophane said: »
I wouldn't say I had the same experience in segments with Ukon, WAR loses AM3 so often due to just weapon swapping. Laphria is just easier to use by comparison without relying on aftermath upkeep.

Gaining AM3 is just as easy. Abuse retaliation, save meditate, get mobs on you.

Even if mobs die from 1 WS there's still value. Can tab target WS on a seperate mob while your white dmg melts the primary.
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By Taint 2025-11-07 07:16:49
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Don't forget Greatsword either. Shockwave is amazing for crowd control, especially in Limbus.

WARs toolkit is extremely good for self damage and party support.
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By Asura.Vyre 2025-11-07 11:57:49
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Yeah, through its use of lots of weapons, WAR actually has access to a decent enfeebling kit, too!

Paralyze - Herculean Slash/Numbing Shot/Blade: Retsu(NIN sub only) - Great Sword/Marksmanship/Katana

Sleep - Shockwave - Great Sword

Slow - Great Axe - Ukko's Fury

Attack Down - Weapon Break(T1 -25%)/Infernal Scythe(T1 -25%)/Full Break(T3 -12.5%) - Great Axe
Defense Down - Armor Break/Shell Crusher(T1 -25%)/Metatron Torment(T2 -20%)/Full Break(T3 -12.5%) - Great Axe/Staff
Evasion Down - Shield Break(T1 -40evade)/Fullbreak(T3 -20evade) - Great Axe
Accuracy Down - Full Break(-20accuracy)/Extenerator - Great Axe/Dagger

Crit Evasion Down - Stardiver - Polearm

Poison - Wasp Sting/Viper Bite - Dagger

Bind - Shadowstitch/Bora Axe - Dagger/Axe

Magic Defense Down - Shattersoul - Staff

INT down - Skullbreaker/Sniper Shot/Dulling Arrow - Club/Marksmanship/Archery

Flash - Flash Nova - Club

Stun - Flat Blade/Smash Axe/Leg Sweep/Brainshaker/Shoulder Tackle/Tachi: Hobaku(SAM or NIN sub required) - Sword/Axe/Polearm/Club/Hand to Hand/Great Katana

Drain - Sanguine Blade - Sword

Aspir - Energy Steal/Drain - Dagger

Choke(VIT down, dot tic) - Gale Axe - Axe

Blind - Nightmare Scythe - Scythe

Obviously some of the weapon choices are impractical due to needing sub/having same effect on more accessible weapon, but I think this is all status ailments Warrior can inflict. At least before we delve into Ammo stat effects/Magian Weapons.
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By Cerberus.Dekar 2025-11-07 13:52:10
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Asura.Vyre said: »
Bind - Bora Axe - Axe

I'm super glad you pointed this one out. This weaponskill fantastic and extremely under utilized. The fact that it's ranged means we don't have to worry about swinging too fast and breaking it like with Shadowstitch.
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By Carbuncle.Crowlina 2025-11-08 05:26:31
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Yerp, to all of the above use-cases and knowledge checks.

I guess my thing is, I'm not going to automatically think someone else is bad for bringing a tool I've found isn't optimal for a given task. Can you Ukon with AM3 in seg farms? Sure, and it'll do a pretty good job. If anything it's probably a more accurate assessment of overall DPS given it's harder to pad the parse with white damage and Ukko's Fury than with Savage Blade. Can you bring axes in and dual wield? Hell yeah, it rips. There are pros and cons and a lot of it comes down to manual dexterity in target switching and how much *** your healer's willing to put up with if you're letting mobs use TP moves by not dumping them in a single hit.
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