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By Asura.Saevel 2024-03-22 18:32:22
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tallica said: »
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tallica said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
sets.Fimbulvetr = {
ammo="Knobkierrie",
head="Agoge mask +3",
neck="War. Beads +2",
ear1="Thrud Earring",
ear2="Moonshade earring",
body="Nyame mail",
hands="Boii mufflers +3",
ring1="Niqmaddu ring",
ring2="Karieyh ring +1",
back=STR_Back,
waist="Sailfi belt +1",
legs="Boii cuisses +3",
feet="Nyame sollerets"
}

STR_Back is just usual STR+30 WSD+10 cape.


What I've noticed is that you really don't want to WS under 1500 unless WC is up. It has very linear TP scaling so assuming you are properly buffed you can wait an extra attack round to hit 1500 or higher.

Use Niqmaddu ring over Sroda.
Probably stupid question, but I'll ask anyways. With the added tp bonus, it's 350, so need 1650tp to get to 2k. Why 1500?


It scales with TP, there aren't hard anchor points. ex. 1501 TP does more damage than 1500.
Oh...OHHHHHHH, this was not known by me...good to know. Thank you.
You as well, Godfry.

These WS's are very linear with TP damage growth, meaning you aren't penalized for holding TP past 1000. At standard buff values the 2s delay imposed by WS's starts to actually matter, so waiting another attack round (1.5~1.8s) gives you better total damage over time.
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2024-03-22 19:29:55
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Yeah it won't actually matter for just about anything, just something to know

For what it's worth, I smacked apex frogs for 25 minutes with a set having 100% DA (I simply removed Coiste from my tp set and used a lower magic haste value to clearly see seperate attack rounds). Within that 25 minutes of smacking frogs, I did not see any single attack rounds. Only DA. So probably safe to assume 100% DA is actually 100%.

I would find it unlikely that within 25 minutes of nothing but auto attacks that the ~2-3% chance of a single attack round happening in theory of not being 103% just simply did not occur.

My assumption of needing 102% appears to be wrong.

Can you list which items you had on?

Previously myself and another WAR had exactly 100% worth, and had a few one hit attack rounds. It came out to 2~3% of the total. It might be a case of some pieces having slightly more or less then others. If +10% is 102/1024 then we can end up a few short, if it's 103/1024 then we'll be fine.

And yes every percentage in FFX is /1024, they be doing some old school binary magic on the servers to make multiplications and divisions cheaper CPU wise. It's stuff people did all the time on 80's and 90's consoles.

This is my generic TP set, for my brief testing that I posted about I simply removed Coiste Bodhar.
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By Atrox78 2024-03-23 08:45:51
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Apologies if this has already been covered but could folks post their Fimbulvetr sets? I briefly searched the forums and didn't see much except for the resolution setup with Helheim. Just stage three atm so testing is limited to sortie

Thanks!

I'm curious about that as well, I have a stage 4 Helheim, and I'm seeing it do less than my Tachi: Mumei on SAM (maybe because SAM gets TP way faster than 2 handed WAR does, making it easier to get over 1k TP, so MAYBE I should use /SAM instead of /DRG when wielding the greatsword for the extra store TP, meditate, etc.)?

This is what I'm using.

ItemSet 395213

Thanks for sharing. Contemplating this for my next stage 4 or, just going to stage 5 on the polearm. That said, have you compared this set against a full wsd set? For the polearm, I've noticed a dmg loss swapping in pdl gear above and beyond jse neck. I am on drg so there is more pdl available to me without swaping in oddy gear compared to warrior but the decrease in dmg has been significant enough when I do.

With jumps, it's very easy to cross 2k tp so maybe it would be more beneficial to ise pdl under that threshold? At any rate, I'm curious how other 2 handed prime jobs have faired balaning thier wsd sets.

Appreciate any opinions you could share.
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By tallica 2024-04-19 12:27:49
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For those with prime GA/GS, what are your tp sets looking like assuming harder content and sam/chaos?
Not sure if I should go empy route with crit in tp set because of the triple damage proc or your normal multi-attack/stp.
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By Atrox78 2024-04-19 12:50:14
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For those with prime GA/GS, what are your tp sets looking like assuming harder content and sam/chaos?
Not sure if I should go empy route with crit in tp set because of the triple damage proc or your normal multi-attack/stp.

My recommendation would be 100% DA plus as much stp as you can squeeze in considering the disgusting boost in dmg at higher tp values.
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By tallica 2024-04-19 13:45:26
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Atrox78 said: »
tallica said: »
For those with prime GA/GS, what are your tp sets looking like assuming harder content and sam/chaos?
Not sure if I should go empy route with crit in tp set because of the triple damage proc or your normal multi-attack/stp.

My recommendation would be 100% DA plus as much stp as you can squeeze in considering the disgusting boost in dmg at higher tp values.
This is what I'm using so far.
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By Taint 2024-04-19 13:54:36
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This is what I use with great success:

ItemSet 394736
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By tallica 2024-04-19 15:27:23
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This has been my set...so far.
ammo="Coiste Bodhar",
head="Hjarrandi Helm",
body="Boii Lorica +3",
hands="Sakpata's Gauntlets",
legs="Sakpata's Cuisses",
feet="Pummeler's Calligae +3",
neck="Warrior's Bead Necklace +2",
waist="Sailfi Belt +1",
left_ear="Schere Earring",
right_ear="Boii Earring +1",
left_ring="Lehko's Ring",
right_ring="Moonlight Ring",
back="Cichol's Mantle"
No maths involved, just what I've liked so far. I'm way over on haste, I'll make couple changes and see how it goes.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2024-04-19 16:37:46
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ItemSet 395448

(0 buffs or food):
- 1347 Accuracy
- 2026 Attack
- 101% DA (@0 merits)
- 0% TA
- 3% QA
- +51 STP (w/SAM sub)
- 30% Crit. Hit Rate
- 34% Haste (Gear)
- 26% Subtle Blow
- 5% Subtle Blow II
- -50% PDT
- -40% MDT
- -40% DT

It's a boring set, and while it isn't the absolute best damage output or fastest time between ws, I think it is the most well-rounded gearset for pretty much all content. But again, super boring.
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By tallica 2024-04-19 16:43:13
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Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
ItemSet 395448

(0 buffs or food):
- 1347 Accuracy
- 2026 Attack
- 101% DA (@0 merits)
- 0% TA
- 3% QA
- +51 STP (w/SAM sub)
- 30% Crit. Hit Rate
- 34% Haste (Gear)
- 26% Subtle Blow
- 5% Subtle Blow II
- -50% PDT
- -40% MDT
- -40% DT

It's a boring set, and while it isn't the absolute best damage output or fastest time between ws, I think it is the most well-rounded gearset for pretty much all content. But again, super boring.
This is pretty much my dt set.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2024-04-19 16:53:44
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tallica said: »
what are your tp sets looking like assuming harder content

dt set or otherwise, it's probably what you should be in for harder content. Resisting negative status' and not dying will almost always result in larger overall damage increases than slightly more STP or white damage.
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By Carbuncle.Samuraiking 2024-04-20 00:43:00
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Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
dt set or otherwise, it's probably what you should be in for harder content. Resisting negative status' and not dying will almost always result in larger overall damage increases than slightly more STP or white damage.

Pretty much how I feel. Everything endgame debuffs the *** out of you or nukes the *** out of you and it's all AoE. There's almost no point in wearing anything but full Sakpata if you are a job that can. I will slip Boii body on for Gaxe sets because it's too enticing to give up and at least has the DT and decent MEVA. I tell myself if it's just one pieces, it's only a small bit of MEVA loss, but I still feel bad about it.

Tatena and Flamma belong right in the trash. Their DPS stats are so good, but I am never fighting anything it's safe to use them on since they have half or less MEVA. They are gonna get you killed. I do technically still have a glass cannon set that's only 30% DT with those ***MEVA pieces in it, but I never swap to it. Generally anything that is weak enough to let you DPS in that stuff will also die fast enough it won't matter if you kill the tiniest bit slower.
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By Dodik 2024-04-20 10:50:02
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I always laugh at warriors sitting there with Mighty Strikes up, amnesiad and can't WS because they decided to TP in hjarrandi or some ***for "better dps".

Great DPS not WSing during your 1hr.
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By Nedavets1 2024-05-19 08:32:23
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Hello! Struggling a bit with consistent savage blade damage during events like odyssey farms/sortie/etc. Wondering if anyone could give me some advice for higher/consistent damage. Potentially replacing some of the gear with more Sakpata? Currently Nyame/Sakpata are both r25. Thanks!

main="Naegling",
sub="Blurred Shield +1",
ammo="Knobkierrie",
head={ name="Agoge Mask +3", augments={'Enhances "Savagery" effect',}},
body={ name="Nyame Mail", augments={'Path: B',}},
hands="Boii Mufflers +3",
legs={ name="Nyame Flanchard", augments={'Path: B',}},
feet={ name="Nyame Sollerets", augments={'Path: B',}},
neck={ name="War. Beads +2", augments={'Path: A',}},
waist={ name="Sailfi Belt +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
left_ear={ name="Moonshade Earring", augments={'Accuracy+4','TP Bonus +250',}},
right_ear="Thrud Earring",
left_ring="Epaminondas's Ring",
right_ring="Ephramad's Ring",
back={ name="Cichol's Mantle", augments={'STR+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','STR+10','Weapon skill damage +10%',}},
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By Taint 2024-05-19 08:42:03
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Boii Legs +3 is the only change I see.
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By K123 2024-05-19 12:16:08
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Why is head better than nyame? Also what is the calculator result for average ws with both nyame legs (R25 and R30) and boi+3?
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By Dodik 2024-05-19 12:17:53
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Is that not something you can try yourself?
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By K123 2024-05-19 12:40:10
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Not on the train on my phone right now.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-05-19 12:50:52
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Head has more ATK, STR, and MND, with the same WSD. It seems pretty obvious why it would be better for Savage blade.
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By K123 2024-05-19 13:12:35
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DA and the fact it has DT granted the difference would be extremely small?
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By fillerbunny9 2024-05-19 13:28:27
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Agoge Mask +3 vs Nyame Helm R25, the relevant stats:
STR 35 vs 26
MND 28 vs 26
Acc 38 vs 45
Attack 83 vs 60
WSD 10 vs 10

the skillchain bonus and additional DA are of little consequence.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-05-19 13:40:06
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DA means very close to nothing for Savage Blade. It provides an absolutely miniscule amount of WSD and a tiny boost to your TP return when it procs, and even then the DA % on Nyame is low so you're talking about extremely small differences.

SCD could be a factor, but Savage is often used either to 1shot mobs or specifically because of the fact that it doesn't SC, so practically speaking, not really.

Agoge is pretty clearly the winner for this and for a lot of other WS for WAR, it's very good.

DT could be a factor if you're maxing out DT in your WS sets but then I would encourage you to do that only for content where it's necessary and have a separate set for that content, since gimping your damage all the time on the off chance that something sometime might actually kill you is not a prudent way to build sets.
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By K123 2024-05-19 14:21:30
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I've been using Agoge anyway because I thought it was better from eyeballing but never looked in depth. Still curious about legs.
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By Felgarr 2024-07-08 23:07:04
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Can someone share their calamity set? I'd like to see Ullr has a place vs. as Knobkierrie. I'm also curious what earring you use at 3000 TP instead of Moonshade earring?
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2024-07-09 00:04:45
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It doesn’t.

15 str vs 6% wsd is no contest. Aurgelmir orb +1 would probably be better than or equal to ullr and you wouldn’t lose ammo slot for tp
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-07-09 06:21:09
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Felgarr said: »
I'd like to see Ullr has a place vs. as Knobkierrie.
It's much better for Empyreal Arrow...
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By Felgarr 2024-07-09 08:45:47
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It doesn’t.

15 str vs 6% wsd is no contest. Aurgelmir orb +1 would probably be better than or equal to ullr and you wouldn’t lose ammo slot for tp

OK, do you mind sharing your Calamity set? This is what I use currently. I hear Ikenga's Axe is better, but I haven't put RP into it yet. What other adjustments could I make to this set?
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			<main>Farsha</main>
			<sub>Blurred Shield +1</sub>
			<ammo>Knobkierrie</ammo>
			<head augment="M1328">Agoge Mask +3</head>
			<body augment="O1529771261952444">Nyame Mail</body>
			<hands augment="O1529771261952445">Nyame Gauntlets</hands>
			<legs augment="O1529771261952446">Nyame Flanchard</legs>
			<feet augment="O1529771261952447">Nyame Sollerets</feet>
			<neck augment="O3728794451968199">War. Beads +2</neck>
			<waist augment="O2456978194432292">Sailfi Belt +1</waist>
			<ear1>Thrud Earring</ear1>
			<ear2>Moonshade Earring</ear2>
			<ring1>Cornelia's Ring</ring1>
			<ring2>Sroda Ring</ring2>
			<back augment="S81366415088128612583751">Cichol's Mantle</back> <!-- STR+30 Acc/Atk+20 WSD+10 PDT-10 -->
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2024-07-09 10:04:00
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Boii hands+3, Boii legs +3, Ikenga axe augmented. If at or near 3k tp value... which is incredibly easy to do on war. Lugra or Boii+2 earring would be a good replacement for moonshade.
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By Asura.Tarwoe 2024-07-26 10:07:30
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Could anyone give some insight into what I should focus on with my current item sets? I used to play way back in the 75 era in the early 2000's. Recently came back last year, got heavy into it for 6 months with a really great group that, admittedly, spoiled me some. Had to take a break and came back and that LS had broken up. I'm going more through the proper ways of progressing but yesterday the LS I'm in got to wave 3 of Bastok-D and I was whiffing like mad. I've tried getting a good idea of the basics from stuff like the WTF Vana'diel podcast and stuff, but I'm still having some trouble gaining my footing for a fairly basic, decent TP set to get into stuff like Odyssey and Sortie (mainly because I want all of WAR's AF1/2/3 +3 sets. Based on the guy who ran me up to Kalunga after I stealthed through the Sheols, he said Sakpata was much better than basically anything I could have at the moment, event R0. What are some priority pieces I should be looking at for at least Odyssey C. For maybe getting up to R15 for Sakpata? If that helps. Anyways, thanks for any insight, I enjoy reading the discussions on here, even if I don't get why/how balancing all of these sets works. I've never posted here, but here is my gear set (if I shared it right)I in fact did not share the image of my item sets correctly like y'all do.
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By Justinjman 2024-07-26 11:02:44
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Wiki has a great guide for WAR Cummunity Warrior Guide. This will outline all the sets you need. Sakpatas is fine for WAR starting out.

Accuracy shouldn't be too much of an issue on WAR for wave 3, but if you find yourself missing just eat some sushi instead of attack food. Keep aggressor up as much as possible. should last through the fetter and recast timer up by the time you get to next one.
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