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By SimonSes 2022-04-26 05:24:13
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Serjero said: »
Recently finished getting Nyame and Sakpata to R25 and struggling to find the right balance on Upheaval for Chango/Ukon as well as trying to maximize Ukko's dmg for AM3. Anyone have updated sets for those? Would also like to see what people are rocking for Ukon AM3 in something like C farms specifically (Assume normal 1 COR 1 BRD buffs of Sam/Chaos, HM VM Minx3).

Also what should Upheaval numbers look like for each Gaxe. Just trying to see if my numbers are way off than what they should be (avg WSD for me is around 35k currently which seems painfully low since that's accounting for warcry uptime).

I dont think anything changed since I last posted

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/35200/the-parthenon-a-warriors-kyklos/185/#3564047

Upheaval should be used with Ukon at 2000+TP
Avg damage with capped attack should be around 40.5-48k (depends how close to effective 3000TP you are) with Ukon.
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By Bosworth 2022-04-26 11:59:40
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What do people use as an offhand for Decimation spam build these days? Sangarius +1 R15 I'm guessing?
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-04-26 16:53:23
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Bosworth said: »
What do people use as an offhand for Decimation spam build these days? Sangarius +1 R15 I'm guessing?

Basically, at R15 it's gross how powerful it is.
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By Bosworth 2022-04-26 18:27:35
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It's worth noting I already have 100% DA in my build. Do you suppose R15 Sangarius is still a good offhand for Decimation build?
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By Nariont 2022-04-26 18:57:58
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Its still 3 ta/qa with 1-7 str, hard to top
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By Bosworth 2022-04-26 19:14:58
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My issue is my tp gain isn't super fast, despite having 100% DA. Self skill chaining even with haste II is hit or miss. I have AF3 feet and legs, Sekpata for body/hands/head.

Need to find a way to get tp gain up without a cor in the party
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By Asura.Bippin 2022-04-26 20:03:49
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Are you capping attack speed with DW?

How much you need will depend on the amount of magic haste you have from support.
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-04-26 20:43:57
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Bosworth said: »
It's worth noting I already have 100% DA in my build. Do you suppose R15 Sangarius is still a good offhand for Decimation build?

Adjust your build, you can use Tatenashi and a DW+10 cape to open up slots for more TA / Store TP.

Currently at 80 DA, 19 TA, 6 QA with a 2.14 averaged attack per hand, 10 DW and 38 Store TP.

TP gain is going to "feel slow" anytime you don't have Samurai's Roll.
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By Asura.Skyekitty 2022-05-02 18:36:09
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Starting to try out War. Had a question about Tatenashi vs Sakpata.

I hear people saying Tatenashi is best but use Sakpata because of durability. What's the gap there in DPS / Survivability?

Sorry if I missed it somewhere.

Thanks in advance!
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-05-02 19:22:54
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Tatenashi body and hands are really good for DPS but kinda bad for defense. Sakpata body / hands are really good for defense and just good for DPS. It's a question of what content level you are fighting and what is the risk of being backhanded extremely hard.
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By Asura.Skyekitty 2022-05-02 20:40:55
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So it really is a glass cannon type situation? Not recommended for C seg farming unless you are really on top of mob types?

Tatenashi that is.
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-05-02 20:50:10
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Well Warrior in general is never really a "glass cannon", like say a SAM or THF might be, just that you can and will pull aggro and get an angry boss showing you exactly how angry they are. Generally we use Tatenashi in a "full DPS" set and Sakpata in a "Hybrid DPS" set.
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By Cerberus.Bongsolo 2022-05-03 03:43:19
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Asura.Skyekitty said: »
So it really is a glass cannon type situation? Not recommended for C seg farming unless you are really on top of mob types?

Tatenashi that is.

"I hear people saying Tatenashi is best but use Sakpata because of durability. What's the gap there in DPS / Survivability?"
Is not major gain really.

Tatenashi is paper set imo, which in current meta is kinda mute(for my server/ls at least). Depending your DPS/Tank hate/getting hate~ swap speed/weapon/rolls.

These are my preferred sets for Chango, I wont beat around the bush.
Back could be +10acc instead of +10dex, I have the privilege of saying I want x roll/songs/bubbles/food etc.

A:Base DD/Hybrid in this set 90% of time, with sam roll and 1 neck tick can upheavel > DA > DA > Upheavel > repeat. If double cor and if Tact roll have fun..

sets.engaged = {ammo={ name="Coiste Bodhar", augments={'Path: A',}},
head="Sakpata's Helm",
body="Sakpata's Plate",
hands={ name="Sakpata's Gauntlets", augments={'Path: A',}},
legs={ name="Agoge Cuisses +3", augments={'Enhances "Warrior\'s Charge" effect',}},
feet="Pumm. Calligae +3",
neck={ name="Vim Torque +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
waist="Ioskeha Belt +1",
left_ear="Schere Earring",
right_ear="Brutal Earring",
left_ring="Moonlight Ring",
right_ring="Moonlight Ring",
back={ name="Cichol's Mantle", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','DEX+10','"Dbl.Atk."+10','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}},}


B: Mostly tanking NM's that are are in upper stats. DT/Meva(Non Subtle blow)

sets.engaged.Hybrid = {
ammo={ name="Coiste Bodhar", augments={'Path: A',}},
head="Sakpata's Helm",
body="Sakpata's Plate",
hands="Sakpata's Gauntlets",
legs="Sakpata's Cuisses",
feet="Sakpata's Leggings",
neck={ name="War. Beads +2", augments={'Path: A',}},
waist={ name="Sailfi Belt +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
left_ear="Telos Earring",
right_ear="Dedition Earring",
left_ring="Moonlight Ring",
right_ring="Niqmaddu Ring",
back={ name="Cichol's Mantle", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','DEX+10','"Dbl.Atk."+10','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}},}

C: Never get to use really is more of trash killing set.

sets.engaged.Paper = {
ammo={ name="Coiste Bodhar", augments={'Path: A',}},
head="Flam. Zucchetto +2",
body={ name="Tatena. Harama. +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
hands={ name="Tatena. Gote +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
legs={ name="Tatena. Haidate +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
feet={ name="Tatena. Sune. +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
neck={ name="Vim Torque +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
waist={ name="Sailfi Belt +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
left_ear="Telos Earring",
right_ear="Schere Earring",
left_ring="Chirich Ring +1",
right_ring="Niqmaddu Ring",
back={ name="Cichol's Mantle", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','DEX+10','"Dbl.Atk."+10','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}},}


D: If some NM need subtle blow or lets not feed tp mnk nin w/e.
sets.engaged.SB = {
ammo="Coiste Bodhar",
head="Sakpata's Helm",
neck="Bathy Choker +1",
ear1="Digni. Earring",
ear2="Schere Earring",
body="Sakpata's Plate",
hands="Sakpata's Gauntlets",
ring1="Chirich Ring +1",
ring2="Niqmaddu Ring",
back={ name="Cichol's Mantle", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','DEX+10','"Dbl.Atk."+10','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}},
waist="Ioskeha Belt +1",
legs="Sakpata's Cuisses",
feet="Sakpata's Leggings"}

I have a few more Chango tp sets but maybe used for 1% of content.
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By Asura.Skyekitty 2022-05-04 18:28:36
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Thank you both for the feedback and gear shares. I wasn't sure if I should invest in augmenting Tatenashi or not, but now I know. Much thanks! /bow
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By Asura.Ccl 2022-05-14 08:28:04
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Is Great Axe still the way to go ? If so wich REMA are good ? Last time I played it was Chango mainly, are ukon/brav/conq worth making ?

What about dual wield, I have seen that savage blade seems top tier ? Would dual wield axe be good too ?
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By Asura.Cordyfox 2022-05-14 09:32:38
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Asura.Ccl said: »
Is Great Axe still the way to go ? If so wich REMA are good ? Last time I played it was Chango mainly, are ukon/brav/conq worth making ?

What about dual wield, I have seen that savage blade seems top tier ? Would dual wield axe be good too ?
Chango and Ukon are the top gaxes, but fencing Savage Blade builds will outdamage in many WS spam/skillchain avoidant scenarios. Dolichenus/Sangarius or Zantetsuken are a good DW option for spamming at 1k. Wouldn't go out of your way to build Conq or especially Bravura right now.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2022-05-16 21:43:05
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When it comes to WSD, is there a general break point for when it's less effective than other stats? Stat mods, PDL where applicable, etc.

I have Nyame r25 and I'm considering whether or not picking up Epaminodas's ring is worth it or not. Sitting at +72% WSD without it.
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By Cerberus.Bongsolo 2022-05-16 22:07:32
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
When it comes to WSD, is there a general break point for when it's less effective than other stats? Stat mods, PDL where applicable, etc.

I have Nyame r25 and I'm considering whether or not picking up Epaminodas's ring is worth it or not. Sitting at +72% WSD without it.

Needs more information regarding attacked capped or not and what WS. In general say savage blade it pulls ahead on the slot, regarding GA say upheavel, most are pretty close. -10STP can break your build tho depending weapon/WS.
 
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By SimonSes 2022-05-18 04:15:28
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3% of rounds will get QA proc.
7% of 97% (6.79% of all rounds) of rounds will get TA proc.
100% of the rest(100%-3%-6.79%=90.21%) will get DA proc.
Nothing will get occasionally attack 2-3 times proc, because there is no rounds left that will not get DA proc.
 
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By Asura.Bootus 2022-05-18 05:31:55
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No. Multi-hit is a priority based system. QA > TA > DA.

So every hit has a 3% chance to QA. IF IT DOESN'T, then it has a 7% chance to TA. IF IT DOESN'T, then it has a 100% chance to DA.

This is completely independent of any other attacks around it.
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-05-18 07:21:03
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Just to make sure it's 100% clear, there is no "100 round limit". If you're lucky enough, a Ridill could attack 300 times in 100 rounds, and someone with 1% QA could attack 400 times in 100 rounds. FFXI calculates everything in each round independently.
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By Asura.Bootus 2022-05-18 08:40:40
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That is correct. Very, VERY improbable, but possible.
 
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By Asura.Ccl 2022-05-19 09:09:12
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What's better for war assuming I can only pick one for now:

Naegling (either dual wield or fencer) or Dolichenus (Dual wield) I mostly solo play with trust and join random yell atm, I would think Dolichenus win ?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-05-19 09:23:27
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naegling

dol can be left at kaja and still get most of the benefit
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By Autherius 2022-05-24 22:51:38
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I have a question for those who use Selendriles WAR Lua - Does the Lua know when you are /sam or /drg etc?

I'm trying to see if I can change my engaged sets based on sub or weapon. An example would be - sets.engaged.PDT.SAM

Any help would be great! Thank you
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By Asura.Essylt 2022-05-25 00:32:01
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Autherius said: »
I have a question for those who use Selendriles WAR Lua - Does the Lua know when you are /sam or /drg etc?
It does, but as far as I know it doesn't automatically engage any mode based on that.
You'd probably have to edit the base library to enable the functionality you're looking for.
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By Carbuncle.Yiazmaat 2022-05-25 02:43:44
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It does recognize for the macro page/line, and also set the stance to hasso when you /sam. I think it has this function tho, because it puts me to DW weapons set when i go /nin or /dnc. You can also just toggle sword set if you go /drg, it takes like 1 sec.
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