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 Asura.Bippin
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By Asura.Bippin 2020-11-08 10:27:56
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Worth pointing out if you have been keeping up with Deeds of Heroism can fully merit 4 WS and will grow to 5 at some point
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/A.M.A.N._Validator

Or just another reason to start doing it if you are not

Edit: Also for Stardiver for WAR atleast the big reason to use it would be SC and should be able to do Sonic>Sonic>Impluse for darkness
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By Lili 2020-11-08 11:00:21
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Cerberus.Caius said: »
I understand how the merits work but does 1/5 vs 5/5 really going to make or break the WS?

All those WS go from 73% mod at 1/5 to 85% mod at 5/5, that's a 12% difference. Most WS sets have in the range of 300 to 400 stat in them, so depending on the specific WS/job combo, it's a (roughly) 36-48 difference in stat mod. It's a huge difference, and very noticeable.
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By Cerberus.Caius 2020-11-08 20:13:51
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Asura.Bippin said: »
Worth pointing out if you have been keeping up with Deeds of Heroism can fully merit 4 WS and will grow to 5 at some point
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/A.M.A.N._Validator

Well, wish i havent only been back for 5 months(after 7 years away)...720 and 960 Deeds, thats 40 per month so 18 and 24 months to be able to get to the point of meriting 4 and 5 @ 5/5....good to know though, thanks for the insight. But looks like I'm stuck at just the 15 merits total for that category for awhile...which is part of why i raised the question haha
 
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By Bismarck.Firedemon 2020-11-11 18:35:50
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Subtle Blow only I'd imagine now. Tatenashi kinda stomps all over it now.
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By Ragnarok.Jukiro 2020-11-11 18:48:51
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Not terrible for Impulse Drive if you're using polearm
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By Ramuh.Austar 2020-11-11 18:51:47
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pummeler's +3 would be better
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2020-11-12 11:22:20
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Asura.Luckycharmss said: »
Cichol's Mantle: DEX+30 Acc+20 Atk+20
Critical Hit Rate +10%
Physical Damage Taken +10%

Any reason why you're using DEX mod for an 80% STR WS Ukko's Fury? I understand the WS crits, but 30 should not be enough to move the damage needle past 30 STR, right?
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By Taint 2020-11-12 11:38:42
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Asura.Luckycharmss said: »
Cichol's Mantle: DEX+30 Acc+20 Atk+20
Critical Hit Rate +10%
Physical Damage Taken +10%

Any reason why you're using DEX mod for an 80% STR WS Ukko's Fury? I understand the WS crits, but 30 should not be enough to move the damage needle past 30 STR, right?

80% STR at that. Should be STR+30 for sure.
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By Autocast 2020-11-18 21:47:00
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So was there any consensus on best TP set currently? I know sets were posted last few pages but seemed to be a lot of theorycrafting and no general agreement.

Be cool if the OP ever got updated or someone (do it spaitin) made a war node with up to date gear sets.

Also looking for what is the best impulse drive set, and does war hold tp like sam for it or just fire it off right away (outside warcry)
 
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By Spaitin 2020-11-19 19:32:59
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Autocast said: »
So was there any consensus on best TP set currently? I know sets were posted last few pages but seemed to be a lot of theorycrafting and no general agreement.

Be cool if the OP ever got updated or someone (do it spaitin) made a war node with up to date gear sets.

Also looking for what is the best impulse drive set, and does war hold tp like sam for it or just fire it off right away (outside warcry)
The sets I posted were tested ingame and "theory crafted" to be the best. At least for pure TP gain.

I have not found anything better for pure TP gain. After more testing I am doubling down on retiring the 100 DA 5 hit build. I only recommend it for non fighters/nonsam builds. It was never an ideal build with sams roll.

I don't know how to make the nodes for guides, otherwise I would make one.
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By Bahamut.Fulgrim 2020-11-22 02:32:57
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I'm about to get myself a Chango, anyone got any updated sets for TP and WS? Not always fully buffed.
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By Taint 2020-11-22 05:57:57
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Bahamut.Fulgrim said: »
I'm about to get myself a Chango, anyone got any updated sets for TP and WS? Not always fully buffed.


ItemSet 375732

ItemSet 274268
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By Spaitin 2020-11-22 12:41:43
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War TP sets
ItemSet 375440
ItemSet 375415
ItemSet 367125
ItemSet 375308

if no buffs

ItemSet 375439
for DT
ItemSet 367123
ItemSet 375441

MEVA TP set. surprisingly good.
ItemSet 375369

Fighters hybrid has a lot of wiggle room.

Upheaval set.
ItemSet 367495
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By Bahamut.Fulgrim 2020-11-22 14:18:57
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Spaitin said: »
War TP sets
ItemSet 375440
ItemSet 375415
ItemSet 367125
ItemSet 375308

if no buffs

ItemSet 375439
for DT
ItemSet 367123
ItemSet 375441

MEVA TP set. surprisingly good.
ItemSet 375369

Fighters hybrid has a lot of wiggle room.

Upheaval set.
ItemSet 367495
Wonderfully detailed, thank you.
What augments are we looking at?
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By Shiva.Anoq 2020-11-22 16:35:57
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ody legs: stp 7+ for tp set, vit/wsd upheaval set
ody hands: vit/wsd
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2020-11-22 16:49:42
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Spaitin (other WARs) - I had been contemplating R15ing Sovereign Behemoth Boomerang. Do you just suffer the TP loss every time you swap or do you somehow have a toggle to lock that piece? Would get annoying swapping ammo every TP move, right? I was going to make it but that part made me reconsider.
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By Spaitin 2020-11-23 13:24:11
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Spaitin (other WARs) - I had been contemplating R15ing Sovereign Behemoth Boomerang. Do you just suffer the TP loss every time you swap or do you somehow have a toggle to lock that piece? Would get annoying swapping ammo every TP move, right? I was going to make it but that part made me reconsider.
I lock the ammo piece and use it for both TP and WS phase. The MEVA set war has is a touch on the clunky side. It would not call it absolutely necessary though. Just works pretty well. A lot of the time I just keep to the usual TP and WS ammo options.

Bahamut.Fulgrim said: »
What augments are we looking at?
for the "NQ" sets, it depends a bit. Which weapon you are using and are you playing with Regal+ cors or not? If you are using chango and running with regal+ cors, then you can augment the val and odyssean TP pieces with DA. Would get you like an 85% chance of a 1 attack round build.
So, the augment will depend on t he weapon most of the time. If no chango and no regal+buffs. THen augment the pieces with STP.

The fighters roll sets are augmented with STP. Cichol's mantle is DA
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By Asura.Evildemon 2020-11-26 10:02:39
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I'm looking to mess around with Ukon in the very near future, what is the way to best build for that?
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By Bismarck.Firedemon 2020-11-26 10:11:17
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The other WAR topic was talking about it on the last page. Same as Farsha build.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54111/warrior-dwfencerpolearmh2hranged/10/#3553392

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By SimonSes 2020-11-26 10:15:40
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Bismarck.Firedemon said: »
The other WAR topic was talking about it on the last page. Same as Farsha build.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54111/warrior-dwfencerpolearmh2hranged/10/#3553392

Asura.Sirris said: »

Keep in mind this set was put togather with intention to focus mostly on highest white damage (and high AM3 crits, because they are just super fun to observe :D), not necessarily highest overall dps.
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By Asura.Evildemon 2020-12-02 16:23:48
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SimonSes said: »
Bismarck.Firedemon said: »
The other WAR topic was talking about it on the last page. Same as Farsha build.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54111/warrior-dwfencerpolearmh2hranged/10/#3553392

Asura.Sirris said: »

Keep in mind this set was put togather with intention to focus mostly on highest white damage (and high AM3 crits, because they are just super fun to observe :D), not necessarily highest overall dps.

What would be a more ideal set then? I'm literally overflowing with riftdross that I don't want to sell. My other option currently is to upgrade Ochain and I just don't see a good value in that. At least I will have fun with Ukon.
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By Asura.Sirris 2020-12-03 01:52:50
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Asura.Evildemon said: »
SimonSes said: »
Bismarck.Firedemon said: »
The other WAR topic was talking about it on the last page. Same as Farsha build.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54111/warrior-dwfencerpolearmh2hranged/10/#3553392

Asura.Sirris said: »

Keep in mind this set was put togather with intention to focus mostly on highest white damage (and high AM3 crits, because they are just super fun to observe :D), not necessarily highest overall dps.

What would be a more ideal set then? I'm literally overflowing with riftdross that I don't want to sell. My other option currently is to upgrade Ochain and I just don't see a good value in that. At least I will have fun with Ukon.

As far as I know there's no up-to-date sim/spreadsheet of warrior damage that compares very different builds and weapons? If you are doing an empy weapon, whether that's Ukonvasara or Farsha, you are probably looking to exploit the fun and enjoyable quality of white damage builds, whether due to just the *** of it or for some strategic advantage, like amnesia-heavy fight or Qutrub Ambuscade or whatever. Simon's Ukon set made sense to me as a Farsha WAR. I think Spaitin had a very different set with a different focus that he posted. And I saw MrGrim's Farsha set, which is much more tanking-focused, and that's fantastic given how well the build works with Retaliaton.

Warrior is one of the very best and most flexible melee jobs in the game but options can create confusion.
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By Spaitin 2020-12-03 16:40:38
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Asura.Evildemon said: »
At least I will have fun with Ukon.
Personally, I think Ukon is one of the more boring weapons. The white damage build is the same as every other WS spam, but you hold TP longer.

IMO, Farsha is the more versatile and fun weapon. It probably has the highest single target DPS potential for war.
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By SimonSes 2020-12-03 16:51:06
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Spaitin said: »
Personally, I think Ukon is one of the more boring weapons. The white damage build is the same as every other WS spam, but you hold TP longer.

It kinda depends what you enjoy. I enjoy seeing big numbers from regular swings. Some random 30k+ damage rounds are just super fun to watch for me. If you enjoy more complex builds then its not one of them.
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By Mrgrim 2020-12-13 08:36:47
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I'm Enjoying my Ukon for this month's Ambu. Feels good hitting like a truck with white dmg lol. Of course its a qutrub lol
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By Spaitin 2020-12-13 15:14:44
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Qutrub imo is the best fight for ukon.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2020-12-22 08:34:02
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Hi all!

Has anything changed with the position of GS on full buffed zergs?

(unity updates or r15 ragnarok)

Thanks in advance!
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