Lakshmi.Nightscope said:
»Out of curiosity if this greatsword is so good from spaming ws how much does Ragnarok truly push ahead dps wise? I assume the ACC/Crit alone makes it truly amazing but was just curious if you can ws so much faster how it can't beat the 99 relic.
With top-end sets and maximum buffs, Rag is ahead by a few percent just by raw base damage and crit rate. OAT shouldn't be afraid to break out Pizza or Sushi though, because the 5-hit set runs a lot of attack which gets multiplied by buffs, so the accuracy is less relevant.
OAT is underrated because people do stupid things with it on spreadsheets, like stack DA or keep eating RCB while their accuracy tanks. A perfect OAT set is completely, vastly, different from a Rag set.
Gearing being so different between them is a matter of cycle time (read: swings and a WS) reduction. Because OAT is running a high DA rate and has higher delay to put 5-hitting on the table, that's the way to go to get the best reduction in cycle time. On the other hand, Rag gets more damage out of TP phase and adding multihit gear (DA/TA/QA) is more effective to achieve some cycle reduction as well, plus dropping from 7-hit to 6-hit isn't as large a fraction as 6- to 5-.
Problem lies in how much cycle reduction is available per event too, like Miser's+Discipline in VW. A full stack of Save TP shaves two or even three hits for a Rag, but can be saving only one or two hits for an OAT. Meanwhile having a faster cycle rate to start means the static 2 second delay to WS is most of what's slowing you down if you try to go faster, so having a stupid vanilla weapon is a
benefit against OAT and this is why so see ***like lolHoarfrost putting up big numbers (as anything can when the moron leader puts the OAT in second string).
That's what I really hate about VW. It buffs gimps way more than it buffs intelligent well-geared people.
Fodder, Lowman, Nominal Haste? Post Embrava nerf? OAT and Rag are gonna be fairly interchangeable, they just use very different setups (classical hitbuilding vs. DA/TA/QA whoring). If you try to run a Rag set on Fulg, you're gonna have a bad time (like ending up 7-hit on 480 delay, I want to stab these people.)
tl;dr Rag doesn't win by much at the top end against someone doinitrite with OAT.