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[Dev] Limbus/Einherjar Adjustments
 Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-08 02:36:17
Leviathan.Kincard said: »So who else is paranoid and made sure to stock up on level 35/25 pieces in preparation for SE making a really dumb upgrade system where you trade in new armor + 75 + 35 + 25 + 15 to make the super ultimate new armor!
I've been doing that lol!
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-12-08 02:38:54
I really, really doubt that you need more than 3 people(2DD + SCH) to clear a T3 in under 10 minutes. Also, I know firsthand that it's not an issue at all to clear Odin in 10 minutes with 4. I still don't expect a mythic "boom", but let's be realistic. After nerf, replace SCH with BRD.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-08 02:40:37
It's not an issue for people who are already capable of making a mythic, no.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-08 02:42:51
I also have a suspicion that a successful implementation of Neo-Salvage will hurt Dynamis currency prices.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2012-12-08 02:50:16
Ive done 90k tokens doing old nyzul 91-100 spam as well, guaranteed win+1 rankup point. I just have a lamp mule that pays for the initial floor jump. Tokens arent hard, its more just an annoying grind. To clarify, it would only be hard if someone was trying to get them while farming NNI for gear (and risking losing) like nynja said.
I just really hope the entry fee for neo salvage isnt something stupid like an ID tag which would put it at odds with finishing assault clears or finishing token farming in the short term.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-08 02:54:39
I never said tokens were hard, I was framing it specifically in time required compared to a relic. If you have the gil and currency ready, a relic requires 14 days, 2 dynamis entries, and a few trips to NPCs.
Also, when I mentioned that I figure dynamis currency prices will take a hit, that's important because it's a hit to many players' incomes. Dynamis is sort of the last frontier of legitimate gil-making.
I mean, yeah, there's fishing ("legitimate"), but based on the number of people at the fishing GP NPC and Zaldon everyday, I'm half expecting a massive GM sweep of Glacier in the not-so-distant future.
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By Bahamut.Loziel 2012-12-08 03:15:03
I wouldnt worry, as long as relics like Ragna, Aegis, Anni, and Horn exist there will always be a steady market for currency. Especially Ragna at the moment
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2012-12-08 03:29:03
Dyna currency has actually gone up in price on our server since the blinkernerf which is somewhat encouraging as a moneymaking option.
Huge amounts of flocking to fishing though on our server as well, alot of people have partially completed relic/mythic so there has been scrambling to make money and devise a plan to fund+finish them.
Serious question here though, if someone did a shout for an einherjar wing chamber farm and they were paying the lamp cost, wouldnt you join it for an easy win and 1-2k ichor? Caedarva Mire VW warp+run to halzam is pretty much in everyones reach now.
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By Lakshmi.Tanama 2012-12-08 03:50:26
Yeah, just spamming tier 3 chambers everyday would be great to race for that eyepatch. And it's the same on my server as well with the increase in fisherman.
@Sylow, I wouldn't be shocked if a Hakuryu nerf hit by the next update.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-12-09 02:37:49
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »I really, really doubt that you need more than 3 people(2DD + SCH) to clear a T3 in under 10 minutes.
Would need pretty good gear and probably some pretty lucky rolls on what monster sets you end up getting. I mean, at least you still get ichor regardless, but I never find it to be worth risking a lost run just because I was too lazy to find like 2 extra people on top of the people in my LS that are bored. Ein has no real prerequisites to enter anyway, so it's not like some other events where you would need to wait for people with access to see the shout.
Quote: I also have a suspicion that a successful implementation of Neo-Salvage will hurt Dynamis currency prices.
Wasn't Alex prices sort-of determined by Dynamis currency prices by virtue of people trying to figure out how much their time spent in Salvage was "worth", not so much the other way around?
Currency prices have dropped a bit on my server but I'm sure it's because of the blinker nerf.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-09 02:43:05
That's true right now Kincard, but there's also very little "natural" Alexandrite supply. If Neo-Salvage generates a significant natural supply of Alexandrite, then Alexandrite and currency prices will no longer be "linked" because Alexandrite won't be the "alternative farming location," it'll come into being as a side effect of people getting armor.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-12-09 02:55:35
Neo Salvage releases ---> Supply goes up ---> People think they can make a mythic ---> prices stay the same/slightly deflate, but don't go very low due to more demand ---> People realize they don't have the attention span to make a mythic ---> price still doesn't go down because *** everything
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-09 03:08:31
Well, at least it'll untie it from dynamis currency prices if anything, lol.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-12-09 03:11:34
That's true right now Kincard, but there's also very little "natural" Alexandrite supply. If Neo-Salvage generates a significant natural supply of Alexandrite, then Alexandrite and currency prices will no longer be "linked" because Alexandrite won't be the "alternative farming location," it'll come into being as a side effect of people getting armor.
I'm still confused as to how more Alex would affect Dynamis currency prices since the majority of people farming Dynamis arn't doing it to fund a mythic anyway. I was more thinking that if Alex price drops, it's precisely because there's a lot more of it so it's not linked to Dynamis currency, but since Dynamis currency isn't "linked" to Alex in the same way it'll stay more or less the same.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-09 03:24:37
Current ("commercial") demand for relics is driven by people with extensive resources (Poor people farm relics, they don't buy them). By "successful implementation of Neo-Salvage, I'm assuming that one of their major goals (as they have stated) is to address the Alexandrite supply, and thus I mean that the Alexandrite supply becomes much more reasonable.
Attention would turn in part to Mythics, and reduce demand for Ancient Currency. There are obviously balancing points and stable thresholds, but I anticipate that these points will drop for both Alex and currencies.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-12-09 03:29:33
Heh, if currency drops along with alex pretty much all the people looking to "casually" farm their mythic will be back to where they started. =P
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-09 03:32:24
Well yeah.
SE has been systematically eliminating all legitimate methods of making gil without crafting.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-12-09 03:33:42
Wouldn't be at all surprised if fishing got hit in this next update.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-09 03:34:34
As I've said though, Dynamis is currently the more or less the last frontier of legitimate solo (non-crafting) income. People will continue to do it even if prices drop 50%, because there just aren't other options.
I don't really see a 50% decrease though, more like a 15-20% decrease.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Wouldn't be at all surprised if fishing got hit in this next update.
Fishing isn't legitimate: it's "legitimate."
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-12-09 03:35:40
Hey now, there's always going back to doing the black tiger fang quest for an immense 50k/hr
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-09 03:36:47
I was going to say I found a way to harvest 800-1000k/hr, but it involves crafting.
And also it involves harvesting.
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Leviathan.Kincard
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-12-09 03:40:37
i'll go back to what I used to do
i'll farm bloods to NPC
oh wait
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-12-09 03:41:19
I remember doing lesser gaylas for an amazing 50k+ an hour back before before they nerfed the npc price of vial of beast blood. I was rolling in the dough.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-09 03:45:59
I'm not telling you peasants my super awesome harvesting secrets.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-12-09 03:48:24
i'd have a pretty good harvesting scheme going on if I could set up my irrigation properly...
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-12-09 03:51:55
I'd try to figure it out on my own if I had more than like 3 inventory spaces at any given moment
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-12-09 04:00:45
Leviathan.Kincard said: »I'd try to figure it out on my own if I had more than like 3 inventory spaces at any given moment
Do you have it?
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-12-09 04:01:22
Leviathan.Kincard said: »I'd try to figure it out on my own if I had more than like 3 inventory spaces at any given moment
Do you have it?
Stack mannequins, like a boss.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-12-09 04:03:36
Well yeah.
SE has been systematically eliminating all legitimate methods of making gil without crafting.
BCNM is a legit method of making gils, but the supply in seals really sucks, unless you're exp'ing the old fashion way.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-09 04:08:56
Leviathan.Kincard said: »I'd try to figure it out on my own if I had more than like 3 inventory spaces at any given moment
Do you have it?
Stack mannequins, like a boss.
Having a fly pad to invite Jinjo back to is much more important than inventory space.
| 12-07-2012 06:25 AM | | Slycer | | BG Translator |  |
| | Regarding Limbus Adjustments
{{Two quoted posts about how the chip requirement to try original Omega/Ultima is annoying at this point because the three day limitation is still in place. References to how you have to spend 4 or 6 runs farming chips for the old Omega/Ultima while once you farm the KIs for the new Omega/Ultima all you need is ABCs. Asked to make it possible to exchange ABCs for all types of chips.}}
We believe that the steps to get to the boss in the higher tier expansion of Limbus is balanced because of the high number of Ancient Beastcoins required. The idea behind this is that you may earn the required number of coins in parallel with collecting materials or chips for the lower tier bosses, allowing you to save time.
For Limbus in general, we have in the past received a lot of feedback about the harsh restriction on retry time. Since it has been some time since the addition and players have quite well completed most of the content, we have decided to reduce the waiting time on purchasing Cosmo-Cleanse to 20 hours in this month's version update, so feel free to challenge this event more often. (The waiting time on Einherjar will be reduced equally.)
In other situations, we also want to reduce the burden on the collection of chips to challenge the higher tier battles Limbus areas and original bosses. In order to avoid concentration of the inventory/collection burden on one player, we will remove the "EX" attribute from chips so that they can easily be gathered together.
While we considered the exchange of Ancient Beastcoins to chips like you suggested, we have decided to maintain the status quo regarding the entry conditions at this time. That being said, this may be in the works for future version updates, in case you don't mind waiting a little longer.
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| 12-07-2012 01:16 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep |  |
| | Limbus Adjustments
Greetings and happy Friday!
During this month’s version update we will be reducing the amount of time necessary before obtaining Cosmo-Cleanse. We have been receiving a lot of feedback since a while back mentioning that the wait times were a bit too restricting, so we would like to make it easier to access this content. With that said, after the adjustment takes place the wait time will be reduced to 20 hours. Additionally, we will also be making the same wait time reduction adjustment to Einherjar.
Besides this adjustment, we would also like to reduce the stress of gathering chips needed to access the higher-tier Limbus. Specifically, we will be removing the EX status on chips, enabling people to work together to assemble sets.
We originally looked into exchanging ancient beast coins for chips, but felt that this would increase the uses of ancient beast coins too much, and also mix up the requirements for the higher-tier areas, so we decided to keep this aspect as is.
This adjustment will not make it in time for the December version update, but it is slated for the version update to follow. | |
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