Presidental Debate One

As for the healthcare issue under the constitution, is it not one of the greatest points that all American Citizens have the right to Life and Liberty?

If that's true, wouldn't privatizing healthcare negate both aspects by limiting one's right to essential life-saving healthcare?

Having Universal Access to healthcare should be everyone's liberty, not just to those that can afford it.

Yea, you're not misinterpreting that at all. They certainly meant by "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" that the government should take care of all health issues its citizens may encounter. That makes sense, being it was written during a time where a common cold could kill your *** and the life expectancy was about 35.

I bet by pursuit of happiness they meant we should all get $1,000,000 when we're born. Yea, having $1,000,000 should be everyone's liberty, not just to those that earn it.

Since when do liberals quote the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution anyways, thought you guys didn't believe in those?

My state has laws preventing insurance carriers from rejecting you based on pre-existing conditions if you are simply switching providers due to a job change. Why do we need to have the feds do something that's clearly capable of occurring on a state level?

Except that the ACA doesn't provide for just basic inoculations and vaccines, it wants me to pay for plans that include abortive services and birth control and a whole ton of ***that goes far beyond what is required to prevent the basic spread of disease.

E.g. I inoculate 10 people with a bacterial infection. I only treat one individual in that group of 10. Those 10 who are in contact, then reinfect the one that has been treated. Over the course of time, evolution intervenes, and you now have a drug resistant strain- in layman's terms your costing the guy who can pay for health coverage more money by not providing health coverage to the others

Oh this made my evening!

But really, are you actually satisfied with the efficiency and quality of our government?

So one must to move to YOUR state in order to receive fair health-care coverage. That makes total sense.

Ok I never even mentioned vaccinations:

Inoculate, just so there is no confusion(is to introduce a microorganism into). This goes far beyond vaccinations/prevention, this goes into anti-virals and anti-biotics. Because of the way bacteria transfer information(Bacterial conjugation), and the way both bacteria and virus evolve, you are speeding up the rate at which pharm companies have to spit out newer drugs by not treating all patients in a population.

As far as "the pill" and abortion, didn't we run that topic into the ground in like 15 threads already?! The pill" has medicinal beyond simple contraception So that argument doesn't stick in 2012. You need to read-into that "abortion surcharge" if you really think your by mandate have to pay for other peoples' abortions (Obamacare 'Abortion Surcharge': The Facts Behind The Rumor).

Sure, I made that statement based on what I see, hear, read, and have experienced. And since I said that, it's obviously beyond my ability and attention span to list everything that the government does, and compare it to other countries, or to private equivalents - I could work on one thing for months and months and still not be able to "prove it." Also, other people surely have had different personal experiences as well as different standards when it comes to saying what a "good job" is. For example (made up,) I could say that 40% percent of the bridges in the country have not been maintained according to their maintenance schedules, and that 20% are structurally deficient. I might say that every bridge needs to be maintained properly, and that this is bad. Someone else might say that there's no problem until bridges actually start collapsing. I have no doubt that hardworking, responsible, honest people exist in our government. And I actually enjoy seeing and evaluating all kinds of things in order to expand my understanding of it. But so far, the "bad job" category is winning. If anyone has, for the most part, only experienced efficient and responsible government behavior, then congratulations to them. I would absolutely prefer that to be my experience as well. But really, are you actually satisfied with the efficiency and quality of our government?

No one does not need to move to my state in order to get that, but why do you need to make a 2400+ page legislative mess that rockets premiums up double digit percentages every year when you could just simply make those changes to your own state and leave the rest of us alone?

Because concepts like fair-health care coverage should be universal and not left up to state legislatures.

Get a job and pay for your own like the vast majority of us, you are not entitled to the money from my wallet because you believe yourself to be more enlightened than the rest of us.

Get a job and pay for your own like the vast majority of us, you are not entitled to the money from my wallet because you believe yourself to be more enlightened than the rest of us.

But really, are you actually satisfied with the efficiency and quality of our government?

You are not entitled to the money from my wallet because you believe yourself to be more enlightened than the rest of us.

but we already ARE paying for his health care

why are you against a cheaper and more efficient solution to the problem of the uninsured

Correct, but you must draw the distinction between money that is actually in your wallet from the taxes you pay. How you spend your money and how the government spends its money are going to differ.

The tax payer's sense of entitlement...

My premiums went up 20% LAST YEAR alone. The idea that the ACA is making everyone's healthcare cheaper is demonstrably false.

Because concepts like fair-health care coverage should be universal and not left up to state legislatures.

I'm off to the gym on that note.

The government's money is MY money, if i did not make it, the government would not have it. It is 100% my business what is done with it.

and the truth finally comes out.. What's good for me is good for me.

even if its at the expense of everyone.. I think its pretty obvious no matter what happens pre existing conditions will disappear by either president. So we don't have to destroy america for you after all.

My premiums went up 20% LAST YEAR alone. The idea that the ACA is making everyone's healthcare cheaper is demonstrably false.

Why is that physicians and public health scientists arn't slamming ACA? Care to answer that one?

Seems like everyone who is slamming it has little or no background on how public health ACTUALLY functions, and circumvents basic concepts of epidemiology.

I'm at a hospital everyday so go pound.

The government's money is MY money, if i did not make it, the government would not have it. It is 100% my business what is done with it.

I'm at a hospital everyday so go pound.

I'm at a hospital everyday so go pound.