Phoenix.Nerji said: »
It also works great on the T3 ZNM Armed Gears, ~3min fight
Blu with requiescat destroys that thing too, i got there late when a few friends were doing it and scat > quad cont was like 40% of its hp, lol.
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Blu with requiescat destroys that thing too, i got there late when a few friends were doing it and scat > quad cont was like 40% of its hp, lol. Odin.Jassik said: » So it works on that cerberus, doesn't really prove that it is or isn't magical damage. But i seem to remember a screen shot of it being used on one of the asa nm's that is immune to all but magic and it dealt damage, but the one immune to all but ranged it did 0. Meaning the cerberus is pdt or defense, not dt. I believe the ASA mobs are unique and can't really be compared. I would think that, they can only be killed by certain damage types, rather than being able to be killed by bypassing their immunities. Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Ragnarok.Ejiin said: Murasamemaru non-ele damage works on both melee and WS for the 2 Cerbs in BRII: That first part is incorrect. Murasamemaru will never deal non-elemental damage during the melee TP phase. It is only during the WS that the effect takes place. Bhalfau Cerb swaps resistances as you increase the damage in the other. (ie, you do more physical damage, the more magic damage it takes and vice versa). It is true that his g.kat was doing 250-300 damage in normal melee swings, but you can also notice that his shoha's were doing <1500 which means his Cerb had massive -MDT and +PDT. (i.e. he full timed the mura from 100% since SAM's damage ratio is 80ws/20tp).
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From what I've been gathering on BG Neo Salvage thread, the current theory is he builds a resistance to w/e form of damage he is taking, and takes more damage from the other. So skillchaining is nice to slow down the resistance to physical damage and/or having someone to nuke
edit: beaten ;; Odin.Jassik said: » So it works on that cerberus, doesn't really prove that it is or isn't magical damage. But i seem to remember a screen shot of it being used on one of the asa nm's that is immune to all but magic and it dealt damage, but the one immune to all but ranged it did 0. Meaning the cerberus is pdt or defense, not dt. I posted a few months ago about testing on PW fetters (magic immune) ones with Mura dealing 0 damage with Shoha. I have more data to support this when Kalasutrax type mobs (Specifically one in legion) switches to a -MDT mode instead of a -PDT mode. When in the -MDT mode, Shoha with a mura deals half while all other melees deal full.
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Phoenix.Nerji said: » From what I've been gathering on BG Neo Salvage thread, the current theory is he builds a resistance to w/e form of damage he is taking, and takes more damage from the other. So skillchaining is nice to slow down the resistance to physical damage and/or having someone to nuke edit: beaten ;; That's really interesting if true. Odin.Jassik said: » So it works on that cerberus, doesn't really prove that it is or isn't magical damage. But i seem to remember a screen shot of it being used on one of the asa nm's that is immune to all but magic and it dealt damage, but the one immune to all but ranged it did 0. Meaning the cerberus is pdt or defense, not dt. I assumed Murasamemaru ws was "non-elemental" since I can ws on magic fetters on provenance for full damage but ws for 0 on physical damage ones. Can also break pil's shield like requiescat so I assumed them the same type of damage. I've never used it on any of the new content like BRII however. This is also in answer to Ash quoting me but I figured it'd be best to quote this as it fits better. Yeah, the BR thing seems to support the previous assumption but i didn't wanna detract from the "we should test this more" discussion.
However, to the original request of "is this good for bhaf II cerbs", the answer would be yes. Gimp said: » Odin.Jassik said: » So it works on that cerberus, doesn't really prove that it is or isn't magical damage. But i seem to remember a screen shot of it being used on one of the asa nm's that is immune to all but magic and it dealt damage, but the one immune to all but ranged it did 0. Meaning the cerberus is pdt or defense, not dt. It is "non-elemental" but its magic. so its not resisted by mobs with elemental resist, however, damage is either magical or physical. Magical damage has elements, physical has damage types like slashing, blunt, piercing. Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Yeah, the BR thing seems to support the previous assumption but i didn't wanna detract from the "we should test this more" discussion. However, to the original request of "is this good for bhaf II cerbs", the answer would be yes. Ya that would be for the salvage forum, but it would open up strategies that don't employ the "twilight drk/mura sam" strategies. We've had decent luck with a wildfire cor doing the majority or the damage after ~30%. Odin.Jassik said: » Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Yeah, the BR thing seems to support the previous assumption but i didn't wanna detract from the "we should test this more" discussion. However, to the original request of "is this good for bhaf II cerbs", the answer would be yes. Ya that would be for the salvage forum, but it would open up strategies that don't employ the "twilight drk/mura sam" strategies. We've had decent luck with a wildfire cor doing the majority or the damage after ~30%. I hear Kaustra is pretty boss on the cerb too if the magic resi isn't too high. Saw a SS posted here of Kautra's initial hit of like 2500+ i think it was.
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I've been dualboxing the Cerbs SAM/WAR and RDM/WHM using Requiescat. 0/A-Lot on Muramasemaru.
Shiva.Paulu said: » I've been dualboxing the Cerbs SAM/WAR and RDM/WHM using Requiescat. 0/A-Lot on Muramasemaru. You have Amano and Masa though. Is it really worth getting for such a niche use? Also the cels on some servers are MAD expensive lol
0 out of a lot on Ridill as well. I use an augmented Seiryu's Sword.
Cells are crazy Expensive. 11+M x 5 to farm 45s is a little much for my budget. Merits are a lot easier to spend. Shiva.Paulu said: » 0 out of a lot on Ridill as well. I use an augmented Seiryu's Sword. Cells are crazy Expensive. 11+M x 5 to farm 45s is a little much for my budget. Merits are a lot easier to spend. Exactly my point ^^ Odin.Eikechi said: » Shiva.Paulu said: » I've been dualboxing the Cerbs SAM/WAR and RDM/WHM using Requiescat. 0/A-Lot on Muramasemaru. You have Amano and Masa though. Is it really worth getting for such a niche use? Yes it is. Muramasemaru is priceless when you are using its effect to its full potential.
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Cerberus.Taint said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » Shiva.Paulu said: » I've been dualboxing the Cerbs SAM/WAR and RDM/WHM using Requiescat. 0/A-Lot on Muramasemaru. You have Amano and Masa though. Is it really worth getting for such a niche use? Yes it is. Muramasemaru is priceless when you are using its effect to its full potential. Such as? I'm just having a hard time seeing such a niche. There are NMs I'm missing that I'm legit curious about. If the need for it, is so vast, it might be worth doing more uptala's I guess. It's worth doing Uptala just for the pouches either way. I'd sooner join an Uptala before a Qilin. It's a "I'm trying to get a pouch but hope one day the GK drops" scenario for me.
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Shiva.Paulu said: » It's worth doing Uptala just for the pouches either way. I'd sooner join an Uptala before a Qilin. It's a "I'm trying to get a pouch but hope one day the GK drops" scenario for me. Well gil is scarce for me lately, as I don't have an LS or ADL static or w/e (and people on Odin are undercutting plates like mad), so that 11M can go a long way (like near a full marrow per cel is pretty boss), so I'd have to have a good reason to take the GK. If there are enough NMs that this GK gets a legit use out of, that I couldn't just requie spam with a sword with generally the same efficiency, then I'll make more uptala shouts myself. I just finished doing Meeble Burrows Instructor Expedition 4 which consisted entirely of slimes and it sped up things a lot.
The T3 ZNM Armed Gears, then obviously the Cerberus boss in BR2. PDT Custards in NNI. There aren't loads of situations it's useful for, but for the few it's amazing. I paid 50mil for mine and I'm really happy with it
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Phoenix.Nerji said: » I just finished doing Meeble Burrows Instructor Expedition 4 which consisted entirely of slimes and it sped up things a lot. The T3 ZNM Armed Gears, then obviously the Cerberus boss in BR2. PDT Custards in NNI. There aren't loads of situations it's useful for, but for the few it's amazing. I paid 50mil for mine and I'm really happy with it With the coming changes to merit WS though, would 1/5 (equal to 2% less potency than 4/5 merits currently) Requie suffice? I mean 50 mil is very steep for just pdt resistant mods, no? I can just as easily get on another job and requie or requie on sam for the 1-2 mobs at a time, no? You're right, you can do that. It'll just be a bit slower to kill then with the GK and maybe more damage taken since you can't use seigan with single handed weapons.
It's just something really nice to have available on SAM
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Phoenix.Nerji said: » You're right, you can do that. It'll just be a bit slower to kill then with the GK and maybe more damage taken since you can't use seigan with single handed weapons. It's just something really nice to have available on SAM Oh I get that it'll be a bit slower, even if I get a ridill. But I don't think you're gonna be tanking in a situation where only your WS dmg is doing any damage and you're not buffed up VW style, so the seigan point might be moot. Fair enough though. I guess it might not be worth the gil and just to wait out the merit WS adjustments (i actually plan on taking requie down from 5/5 to get 4 more WS) Odin.Eikechi said: » Cerberus.Taint said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » Shiva.Paulu said: » I've been dualboxing the Cerbs SAM/WAR and RDM/WHM using Requiescat. 0/A-Lot on Muramasemaru. You have Amano and Masa though. Is it really worth getting for such a niche use? Yes it is. Muramasemaru is priceless when you are using its effect to its full potential. Such as? I'm just having a hard time seeing such a niche. There are NMs I'm missing that I'm legit curious about. If the need for it, is so vast, it might be worth doing more uptala's I guess. Everything in this game is situational.... Muramasemaru is nice for any mob/NM that that takes reduced damage, it also goes through invincible. Thats a pretty good spread of mobs. Is it necessary, hardly, is it extremely useful, definitely. I have an excellent spread of DD jobs and find myself on SAM mostly because of Mura. (esp in Neo salvage)
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Yes Taint, I realize everything in this game is situational, but getting 10 or 11M gil and using a sword sounded like the better option to me, hence my questions about the mob range this would be useful on. It sounds like it it's not worth the 11M cut I'd take or the 50M in cels.
10-11m isn't a lot for a lot of people.
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Odin.Eikechi said: » Phoenix.Nerji said: » You're right, you can do that. It'll just be a bit slower to kill then with the GK and maybe more damage taken since you can't use seigan with single handed weapons. It's just something really nice to have available on SAM Oh I get that it'll be a bit slower, even if I get a ridill. But I don't think you're gonna be tanking in a situation where only your WS dmg is doing any damage and you're not buffed up VW style, so the seigan point might be moot. Fair enough though. I guess it might not be worth the gil and just to wait out the merit WS adjustments (i actually plan on taking requie down from 5/5 to get 4 more WS) I use to use seigan on Cerberus BR2 before getting Mure. I now use hasso since it dies a lot quicker now
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