Bard March Song Cap

OK, so I've been browsing forums(lol at alla and Bluegartr like you can ever find anything without going through 10 pages to find 1 sufficient post, Google, ask Jeeves.com and yahoo.com searching...

Someone told me once that Even when your skill is capped for Minuet that its not capped for March. That march had a completely different cap.
I'm trying to find out what that cap is because as far as i know/can tell, I can only get 8 more singing skill, (earring, going from pipers to wind torque, and minstrels coat) I have all the other gears with the most Wind/singing skill i can possibly get (except gjallarhorn, lol but maybe someday!)

Anyone that's got some possibly good links/knows off hand how the march works (yea i know lol at me for being a brd for over a year and /facepalm) would be much appreciated! Thanks!

I only found 2 pages with any sort of definitive info about Marches.

http://wiki.bluegartrls.com/bg/Victory_March
http://wiki.bluegartrls.com/bg/Advancing_March

Thank you ill check them out, Sorry, i cant navigate bluegartr worth a damn

how would you get 566 skill o.O; I'd be sexy.

Adv March: Increase in attack speed caps at 48/512 (9.375%) with Faerie Piccolo. I don't understand the equations people use, Its on the page you sent me :(

* Increase in attack speed is not known to cap:

Combined Skill Haste Amount (with Faerie Piccolo)
445-451 105/1024 (10.25%) Verification Needed
452-458 106/1024 (10.35%) Verification Needed
459-464 107/1024 (10.45%) Verification Needed
465-471 108/1024 (10.55%) Verification Needed
472-478 109/1024 (10.64%) Verification Needed
479-485 110/1024 (10.74%)
486-491 111/1024 (10.84%)
492-498 112/1024 (10.94%)
499-505 113/1024 (11.04%)
506-512 114/1024 (11.13%)
513-518 115/1024 (11.23%)
519-525 116/1024 (11.33%)
526-532 117/1024 (11.43%)
533-539 118/1024 (11.52%)
540-545 119/1024 (11.62%)
546-552 120/1024 (11.72%)
553-559 121/1024 (11.82%) Verification Needed
560-566 122/1024 (11.91%) Verification Needed

Below is a chart /w tested values of haste on Victory March[Editted: 1/10]:

Advancing March /w +0 instrument: 64/1024
Advancing March /w +1 instrument: 80/1024
Advancing March /w +2 instrument: 96/1024

+1 Instrument grants +16/1024
+2 Instrument grants +32/1024

If anyone can help explain what it all means, I would be grateful. I don't understand how they got 1024, what it correlates to, what he 64/80/96 and so on and so on mean

Not sure how you get 566, I've managed to find 549 XD

Capped Skills = 225 x2 = 450
Merits = 8 x2 = 16
Total so far: 466

Main: Chanter's Staff - +4 Singing
Sub:
Ranged: Gjallarhorn - +10 Wind, +10 Singing (+20 total)
Ammo:
Head: Marduk's Tiara - +7 Singing
Neck: Wind Torque - +7 Wind
Ear 1: Wind/Singing Earring - +3 Wind/Singing
Ear 2: Musical Earring - +5 Wind
Body: Minstrel's Coat - +3 Wind
Hands: Choral Cuffs +1 - +10 Singing
Ring 1: Nereid Ring - +3 Wind
Ring 2: Nereid Ring - +3 Wind
Back: Astute Cape - +5 Singing
Waist:
Legs: Choral Cannions +1 - +8 Wind
Feet: Oracle's Pigaches - +5 Wind

Bringing the total up to 549, unless my math is wrong.

ATM i'm here:
Capped Skills = 225 x2 = 450

Main: Chanter's Staff - +4 Singing
Sub:
Ranged:
Ammo:
Head: Marduk's Tiara - +7 Singing
Neck: Piper's Torque- +5 Wind
Ear 1:
Ear 2: Musical Earring - +5 Wind
Body:
Hands: Choral Cuffs +1 - +10 Singing
Ring 1: Nereid Ring - +3 Wind
Ring 2: Nereid Ring - +3 Wind
Back: Astute Cape - +5 Singing
Waist:
Legs: Marduk Shalwar(just got the brd item for cannions last week though) - +5 Wind
Feet: Oracle's Pigaches - +5 Wind

490 i think.
I need to camp the coat NM, get the earring, upgrade legs, and finish merits/Gjallarhorn

but the gear you have, i dont know anything else that gives a higher skill. Is it just what people THINK will happen based on previous stuff.. /sigh

you can get 32 skill from merits, not 16.

8x Singing 8x Wind = 32.

Yeah, your math is wrong. You get +32 skill from capped Wind/Singing merits, not +16. That'll bring you up to 565 skill.

I also found raw data from alla:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=9;mid=11509283609791970;num=58;page=1

and another attempt at finding gears to hit the cap for march:
http://fenrirs-bardlet.livejournal.com/67291.html

I have 8 in Enfeebling, and RDM is my main, so most skill i will do is 4 singing 4 wind or 8 singing.
Thank you guys for all the great websites, was having a hard time finding them, my b/f was looking for me last night cause im uber HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE lol

How would i figure out what the haste# is to get to the fraction?

Oops XD I forgot Merits add +2 skill each. 566 does sound more doable now then =o

Well, only if you consider a Gjallarhorn to be "doable." :P

Also, if you use a Piper's Torque in Campaign, you can hit 573 skill. Is there more skill gear out there? Possibly. I can't say for sure. It's been awhile since I've looked into bumping up my March gearset (which is actually bad, I only need +2 more skill to hit the next tier at 533 skill).

Combined Skill Haste Amount (with Faerie Piccolo)
445-451 (10.25%) Verification Needed
452-458 (10.35%) Verification Needed
459-464 (10.45%) Verification Needed
465-471 (10.55%) Verification Needed
472-478 (10.64%) Verification Needed
479-485 (10.74%)
486-491 (10.84%)
492-498 (10.94%)
499-505 (11.04%)
506-512 (11.13%)
513-518 (11.23%)
519-525 (11.33%)
526-532 (11.43%)
533-539 (11.52%)
540-545 (11.62%)
546-552 (11.72%)
553-559 (11.82%) Verification Needed
560-566 (11.91%) Verification Needed

Just look at these numbers (I took out the fractions as they're confusing you). They'll apply if you're using a Faerie Piccolo or an Iron Ram Horn for Victory march. Just add together your Wind and Singing skill numbers with your skill gear equipped, and this chart will tell you how much haste you're getting from Victory March.

Also, if you don't have room for capped Singing and Wind merits, just put your available merits into Singing skill. You'll get more bang for your buck there. Singing merits will affect all your songs, while Wind merits will do nothing when you need to use a harp.

XD GHorn is doable, just takes time =P

The gear I listed came from a FFXIAH search and me crossing out pieces of gear when I found higher skills =P

I'm too lazy to do that right now, even though I don't have much to do at work right this moment. XD

I'm currently on stage3, 4515/6000 pieces on my Gjallarhorn. I'm working on it lol. Hoping SE will raise the cap on magic skills soon, I remember hearing they might. If they do then i can max wind/singing and get more out of it.!

I just don't understand how they come to the conclusion that its % haste with this skill or that skill. Minuet is easy ;; has a hard cap.

Also I have madrigal merited now- i have researched it, but is the cap like Minuets or Marches? Hmmm.. More research time (btw, when i level'd brd i didn't have a computer and what not to get all my info, and the computer i did have in the past was so slow it took 5 mins to load 1 page so i just didn't really use it other then to AIM)

It would take some rummaging to find the BG thread and thus the exact information, but I believe a BG poster named Kirschy is the one who tested March and found its tiers. She used a viseo program called Fraps to record a DD equiped with a Stage 1 Relic weapon (999 delay) attacking mobs while under the effects of Victory March. She compared the number of video frames between attack rounds with the amount of skill gear worn by the BRD and discovered Victory March's tiers.

She also found that the percentage of haste listed on gear is FFXI isn't exact. Gear labeled as giving 4% Haste actually gives slightly less Haste than 4%. Sinc I'm no expert on math (nor can I refer back to Kirschy's thread right now), I can't give you the specifics on how she measured Haste. As the charts demonstrate though, she found xx/1024 to be an accurate way to measure Haste. The link to the thread referenced in the BGwiki article (linked in this thread's second post) will provide all the information you'd want to know about Haste.

Also, song caps at 75:

Minuet4 caps with +12 skill (462).

Blade Madrigal:
+27 Accuracy at combined skill 454-471
+28 Accuracy at combined skill 472-489
+29 Accuracy at combined skill 490-507
+30 Accuracy at combined skill 508-553

Victory March is uncapped as far as anyone knows.

<3 Thank you tons! <3 Really helping me out here i appreciate everyone's help.
So now.. to get the gear i tossed lol! Thought i would never need minstrels coat again. haha! Oh, and i sent a PM to that guy earlier to ask him about how it worked. Hoping to hear back so i can get some specifics cause i'm not x+y=z friendly.

I'd disagree with this. There are only a few times you are going to use a Harp. It's been shown that singing effects both wind and string but wind > string when compared side to side. You'd be better of putting them into wind and forgetting about the sting side. Not to mention all career bards should be aspiring to do Ghorn which makes wind the better choice for merits.

btw, I'm pretty screwed. My max set would be:
http://www.ffxiah.com/members/?q=item_sets&set_id=85595
I have rdm and blm at 75. I'm max merits for elemental and 4/8 on Enfeeble. So, I only have 4 levels into wind skill.
Assuming I did the math right:
Max Skill: 450
Merits: 8
Wind: 44
Singing: 36
Total: 541

Another thought is how does SV effect this cap? For the most part I would be interested to see how it does on a SV KC burn.

Bump because I didn't want to start a new thread.

Does anyone know if there been any documented testing on March (Victory/Advancing) since the update?

Seeing as the 80cap gave us 50 extra skill towards March it's a lot easier to hit 12% on Victory.

I haven't seen any new test, but yeah, the new tiers should follow the same previous rule of 6/7 skill to increase the % by ~0.1. Only an actual test will tell us if there is now a cap.

I hope that in the future we can at least reach close to 22% haste with 2x march (if we dont get a new march song). We would not even need the white magic haste for zergs.

Well if you're 80BRD/40WHM you have Haste anyway. Not that I have time to at most things.

Advancing March seems to cap but Victory is said to have no cap however that might have just been no cap that people could previously hit. Quite easy to get over 300 wind skill now so we're looking closer to 600 for combined Wind/Singing.

Taking it from above as an example:
560-566 (11.91%) Verification Needed

That means 567+ would be 12% or more. However, if Victory caps at 12% then it's kinda pointless stacking skill above 567.