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 Asura.Bluespoons
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2012-07-23 13:05:10
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
So... what about BLM vs SCH in Nyzul isle?

BLM gets Embrava?
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-07-23 13:06:00
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
So... what about BLM vs SCH in Nyzul isle?
Blm has always been one of the worst jobs to bring to Nyzul.
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By Solrain 2012-07-23 13:06:12
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Siren.Stunx said: »
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Ragnarok.Merodii said: »
Communication is HUGE and i honeslty think the difference of time while using a voice chatting progam such as mumble skype or vent or TS is rly going to shave time to allow you to better optimize your run and give you the better results

To be fair, SE didn't intend for people to be using Ventrillo/Skype either. I wouldn't put it on the same level as dats/clipper but it's still an "unfair" advantage because, I agree, it's extremely useful to have voice chat in Nyzul.


nothing "unfair" about it, its just an advantage. even an adroid can get on vent, players can also add phone calls to skype i think for those who only have phones.

I just mean for all the purists talking about the moral issue of beating NNI totally legit without using any outside sources at all.
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2012-07-23 13:10:20
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Asura.Bluespoons said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
So... what about BLM vs SCH in Nyzul isle?
BLM gets Embrava?
Blm has always been one of the worst jobs to bring to Nyzul.

And so it begins. My work here is done.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2012-07-23 13:12:19
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Fix your quote and then you can be done.
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By Solrain 2012-07-23 13:14:13
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Bahamut.Mizuharu said: »
Asura.Bluespoons said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
So... what about BLM vs SCH in Nyzul isle?
BLM gets Embrava?
Blm has always been one of the worst jobs to bring to Nyzul.

And so it begins. My work here is done.
Asura.Bluespoons said: »
Fix your quote and then you can be done.
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2012-07-23 13:15:12
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Carbuncle.Pwnzone said: »

For all of our sakes, leave your account deactivated & get off current topics you know nothing about. Thats all

Sorry to burst your irrelevant bubble but I deactivated at the end of May, meaning I did NIv2 for 3 months, so yeah, I'm behind on the event by all of 2 months, I'm sure so much has changed. Not.

There's a big difference between doing & winning. Just like there's a difference between irrelevant, like your first comment, and relevant. If you don't like the topic, don't post your irrelevant opinion. Pretty simple i would say.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-07-23 13:18:02
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Carbuncle.Pwnzone said: »
There's a big difference between doing & winning. Just like there's a difference between irrelevant, like your first comment, and relevant. If you don't like the topic, don't post your irrelevant opinion. Pretty simple i would say.

I'll try to remember that, no promises.
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2012-07-23 13:20:54
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Fixed. :<
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By Asura.Ericka 2012-07-23 13:24:36
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Doubt they will Ban people. Profit over quality/legitimate play.
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By Shiva.Gib 2012-07-23 13:32:25
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I don't think they will ban anyone either other then very VERY obvious casses *Expect to see those people with the Youtube video banned*. Just because with the Salvage duping it was Night and Day on who was doing it. This has a lot of 'grey area' and is SE wanting to loose several thousands of dollars a month in sub. fees over something that can't prove a shadow of a doubt, like they could salvage?

also, I'm actually offended that people fight off the bat say anyone with the gear cheated, cause thats just not true. I am a long time vet of NI, done 1-100 about 8 times on 75, and I've been doing Neo NI since you could first do it on the test server. I have 220k NI Tokens *and I bought the mythic item* so yeah, I've done it a bit.

and I've got wins, and guess what, no cheats, also guess what, my win ration is like... 5%, if that.

Also, and what I think is the best thing, this NI gear is causing so much drama... watch when Adolin comes out, Neo NI gear will probably be garbage.
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-07-23 13:38:16
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OMG WHATS A LM17!?! I JUST GOT ONE AND NOW I CAN'T LOG IN!!!1
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2012-07-23 13:38:28
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Just logged in and windower said "Saving screenshot"
Don't have any NNI gear but never seen windower do that before now i'm nervous!
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-07-23 14:20:17
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Odin.Sawtelle said: »
OMG WHATS A LM17!?! I JUST GOT ONE AND NOW I CAN'T LOG IN!!!1

Damn really? That's the old bot ban code.

edit: unless i just got wooshed lol
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2012-07-23 14:20:59
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You just got wooshed =p

I hope....
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-07-23 15:14:33
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Bahamut.Serj said: »
Sylph.Kiaru said: »
Neo-Nyzul is easier than abyssea.

CoolPerson said:
I think my favorite part is where vegetto/ghaleon kicked her out of their group because she was awful.

Wasn't my group lol I was just a member, I had no part with kicking, but she did fine, it was mainly because there was a problem with getting along. Kiaru can be mouthy when things get hairy during a run, which was fine by me because I'd just mute skype lol
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-07-23 15:30:28
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I didn't say it D=<
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2012-07-23 18:45:08
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Cerberus.Neojuggernaut said: »
Lets retry this lol

Actually, it is hard for me to see why people are getting mad...maybe I'm more laid back with this game compared to others. Honestly though, what they do isn't affecting my gaming experience. All I see it as is this game doing what it does...enables people to be immature about immaterial objects and just complain about it. Anyway, I'll stop now, my viewpoint won't change anything, was just wondering why people get so mad over this lol

The people demanding mass bannings, even if it catch's people who acquired the gear legitimately are after revenge. They feel frustrated and angry that they don't have the shinys, they don't feel like putting the effort into making a *legit* floor 80 group, yet they see other people acquire the gear. That frustration and envy have been converted to anger and hate and are now directed at those with the gear utilizing the scape goat of "if they didn't get their gear then we could of". They feel that inflicting hurt upon those with the gear will allow them to acquire their gear, almost as if they could steal it from their dead bodies. This sort of thing happens all the time.

Instead of demanding blood and death from other players, they should instead demand SE get the sh!t in order and make the gear somehwat acquirable in the first place.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2012-07-23 18:46:42
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Honestly I'm predicting SE removed order lamp floors, then in order to barance it they make the floor 100 boss drop the KI only 10% of the time.

I would laugh so hard for so long at that. It would be a sad laugh as it means I'd have to go through more hoops to finish my gear up. Also would mean those calling for blood would of just hurt themselves.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-07-23 18:50:39
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Honestly, I think if people just waited it out and did the event like SE gave us, SE would know that 99.9% of players wouldn't make it to 100 and win. Adjustments would of came and then players could of made it there legit without restoring to cheating to win.

I don't care if others agree, it's just how I feel. SE would not let an event run this long with no one being able to win. This isn't a level 99 relic/mythic/empy aura. This isn't AV / PW. It's just Nyzul, and they do not have the data to know if people are making it through legit or if all the groups that made it through cheated. The have no way of knowing unless groups discussed everything in the chat log or went through walls.

I personally am not blaming just SE on this one.
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-07-23 18:53:10
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I agree, it's very similar to when they adjusted mythic weapon requirements after it was made very clear that so few players had the capacity to complete them.
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-07-23 18:54:23
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It's also very similar to when they adjusted Absolute Virtue after it became apparent that we weren't catching on to the "secret" to defeating it.
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By Leviathan.Korialstrasz 2012-07-23 18:54:55
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
Honestly I'm predicting SE removed order lamp floors, then in order to barance it they make the floor 100 boss drop the KI only 10% of the time.
Only instead of it being 10% of the time for the entire group to get the KI, it's specific to each person. That way, one guy can get the KI every other run, and another can win 20+ times and still never see a single KI.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-07-23 19:05:34
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People have gone from taking months/years to achieve gear to taking days/weeks in Aby.

Reverting to a slow paced (horribly slow paced depending on how bad your luck goes) reward lottery obviously displeases the better players, who had gotten used to achieving goals in a timely manner (potentially driving them to opt for shortcuts), and discourages/angers the less performant, more disorganized or simply lazier ones from even attempting such an event, yet that is their choice in the first place. To those players, I'd tell cry less and try harder. If you put a tad more sweat into it, perhaps the reward will even look shinier.

On the other hand, the system behind Neo Nyzul really sucks and I hope it is adjusted to some extent, not in a way that will allow everyone to be done with it in a matter of days, but in a way so people can see a finish line at some point within their grandchildren's lifespan.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-07-23 19:11:30
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Players who do nyzul and cheat get a warning/banned, players who reported everyone celebrates.

Players then ask for adjustments to make nyzul manageable to do.

After several weeks SE replies that the event is working as intended, and they have no plans on adjusting the event.

Players who aren't able to get into floor 80 runs are left out, with no way to purchase from groups that make floor 100 runs. This goes on for 10 months with players giving up on any hope of obtaining the gear they wanted.

Expansion comes out. Event worked as intended.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-07-23 19:22:05
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The event is, in fact, working as intended, as everything else since the release of the first mini expansion has. Bottleneck events have always been successful as far as I can recall.
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-07-23 19:25:24
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It's still rather presumptuous of you to suggest that cheaters are the reason that the event is still relatively unrealistic.

AV, PW, mythic weapons are all excellent examples of this not being the case. The former two were only made possible because of new, unrelated additions to the game(not to mention a level cap increase), and the latter has still yet to be addressed. I'm not sure why you think Square is intent on making absolutely every facet of the game available to casuals.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-07-23 19:33:27
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pfft, PW was entirely doable, you just needed 16 hours and an alliance full of the best job in the game
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-07-23 19:35:06
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I realize you're being facetious, but I'd call the BLU strategy a pretty blatant exploit.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-07-23 19:40:25
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I don't really think it was an exploit. If they wanted Blue Magic to hit for 0 during double weakness they could have easily fixed that.
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