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The Beast Within -- A Guide to Blue Mage
Ragnarok.Galiber
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By Ragnarok.Galiber 2012-06-10 13:35:34
I do 2.2k average outside abyssea with my cheap Requiescat set. Can probably do better.
2.2k average??! I don't get that average on CDC (2kish average 90 Almace). 1k average, spikes of 1.5ish on Requi.
Talking about dc dyna mobs at least here.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2012-06-10 13:46:48
I do 2.2k average outside abyssea with my cheap Requiescat set. Can probably do better.
2.2k average??! I don't get that average on CDC (2kish average 90 Almace). 1k average, spikes of 1.5ish on Requi.
Talking about dc dyna mobs at least here. Well, mine's eyeballing, I guess. :x No parser here.
Haven't tried on dyna mobs, I'll wander in and see how I do later. Make sure you're adding attack into your Requiescat set along with the MND mod and use gorget/belt since the ftp transfers to all hits.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-10 18:57:43
99 Tizona Requiescat vs. 99 Almace Chant du Cygne
Using ideal sets for each weaponskill.
Target: Lv110, 500DEF, 115VIT
Buffs: Minuet V + 11 Chaos Roll w/ DRK in the party + Berserk + RCB
Tizona Requiescat
66D Main/61D Sub
119 STR
141 MND
1278 Attack
50/256 TP bonus
25 TA
56 DA
125 TP
Min: 1189
Avg: 2149
Max: 2933
Almace Chant du Cygne
70D Main/61D Sub
138 STR
159 DEX
1328 Attack
11 TA
27 DA
+25% Crit rate
125 TP
Min: 810
Avg: 1781
Max: 4253
Things to note:
*I'm not 100% certain on how Mythic OA2-3 works on weaponskills, if it's added as faux-DA/TA or if it's calculated separately.
*These calculations are overvaluing TA on Requiescat by a small amount. A difference of about 20~30 average damage or so.
*Gap closes immensely and the Tizona pulls ahead by a decent amount vs. a 90 Almace, however if you have the funds to make a 99 Tizona, I'd assume you can also make a 99 Almace.
With only self buffs:
Requiescat attack: 911
Min: 818
Avg: 1539
Max: 2053
Chant du Cygne attack: 948
Min: 810
Avg: 1680
Max: 4097
w/ Triumphant Roar:
Requiescat attack: 1002
Min: 1022
Avg: 1720
Max: 2334
Chant du Cygne attack: 1043
Min: 810
Avg: 1781
Max: 4253
This is just the weaponskills, too. Ignoring the difference between the increased TP speed/DoT of Mythic OA2-3 vs. Almace ODD as well as having to use Expiacion once every 3 minutes to maintain OA2-3.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-06-11 09:03:55
How does Portus collar compare to rancor for TP?
Using that now over Nefarious when I don't wanna use rancor, but idk if it's worth using rancor at all?
By Yozo 2012-06-11 09:44:53
Don't take my word for it 100%, but I vaguely recall asking Pro a similar question in a PM before and I think the response was Rancor would pull ahead still.
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2012-06-11 09:47:00
Never knew a thread like this exsisted for BLU but amazing! Nice to see a gear thread that does not derail into petty bickering.
Read it all and just wished something like this exsisted for SAM or WHM. Helped me understand BLU as a job much better when I was bored and it was raining in sunny sunny Wales...
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-11 18:26:46
Atheling + Portus should be better at this point.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-06-11 18:28:50
Ok if it should be better, I'll go with that as "it'll be very close if not" and drop rancor in tp completely :P
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-11 18:35:14
That's what I would do if I could be arsed to go kill Diabolos enough times to get one. :c
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-06-11 18:37:33
Got stupidly lucky, first time we did as a ls, get.
<_>
By Gimp 2012-06-11 21:23:58
T. Roar stacks with zerk? I know it doesn't with stalwarts so I keep forgetting to test
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-11 21:24:39
Yes. Berserk is its own effect, Triumphant Roar is simply an attack boost effect like temp items.
Warcry stacks with both as well as it's also its own effect.
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By Ragnarok.Galiber 2012-06-12 03:35:38
I use Portus in tp, but I find that on tougher mobs, like Kalasutrax, Ig-Alima or Provenance, where BLU is ALWAYS stuck in the mage party, I'm hitting for 0 most of the times and only get real damage with crits, so I was thinking of switching back to Rancor or making a hybrid accuracy crit rate set for that stuff.
And yeah, Berserk, Warcry and Triumphant Roar all stack. Stalwarts doesn't stack with Triumphant, so I don't bother setting it in VW.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-06-12 03:36:57
If you'r in the mage party on stuff you hit 0 alot on, it's probably better to just sit back and be a lolmage :p
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By Ragnarok.Galiber 2012-06-12 03:39:07
If you'r in the mage party on stuff you hit 0 alot on, it's probably better to just sit back and be a lolmage :p
NEVER! Since I'm still pulling out a decent number of crits and with all the regain and wings you do a pretty decent damage overall.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2012-06-12 10:46:54
Question regarding A.Spikes...
Seems pretty straight forward but do most BLUs have a separate Physical set (DEX based) to swap into when casting spells that are DEX based or is it considered not really worth it?
If its a minimal dmg increase by stacking DEX instead of STR then I won't bother, but I was thinking something like this for A.Spikes:
This is based on what I currently have and not what I think is ideal :P
So....
O.Headpiece or Mirage +2? Or something else?
Magus Jubbah +1 or Loki's/Toci's/Whatever DEX+alot Body
Better option for Hands that are relatively simple to obtain?
DEX Earrings obviously
By Gimp 2012-06-12 20:47:25
If you'r in the mage party on stuff you hit 0 alot on, it's probably better to just sit back and be a lolmage :p
NEVER! Since I'm still pulling out a decent number of crits and with all the regain and wings you do a pretty decent damage overall.
Pretty much the above. You may not thinking and you sure as hell would not like to believe but it's possible to beat a few bad Soulvoiced/ Cor roll ally dd with just embrava and maximizing your accuracy.
Most people tend to pull 68~75% or so m. acc without some sort of acc buffer.
To answer your question Krylon generally most people use a pure str set to be variable and not use dex specific gear because of invo constraints, nothing wrong with having extra specific spell gear if that's what you wish.
Athos hands would probrably be the best solid and easier to get upgrade, relatively simple is the fight but not fighting the log rate. Myrmex mittens probrably fall into that category as well and ultimately khepri hands for the best.
Jubbah +1 still beats most things, I still use Iratham's headpiece since I don't have Mirage +2 head
pipilika belt then use a wanion belt when you get it.
Amorphic is strong and for scin'g wtih CDC, not sure if using quad(without Almace) is better counting potential sc damage and the ws used(usually a weak one like savage or expiacion). They're both pretty close don't get me wrong Amorhpic just can be flimsy oppossed to quad but that's blue spells overall.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-13 21:53:18
New BLU gear for today's update. Possible good pieces bolded.
(Source: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/111230-6-13-12-Update-.DAT-Mining-Findings)
Weapons
Heimdall's Doom
(Sword)
DMG:60 Delay:236 HP+5% MND+10 CHR+10
Additional effect: "Death"
WAR, DRK, BLU
*For fun
Head
Enif Zucchetto
DEF:49 HP+35 MP+35 Accuracy+7
Attack+7 Magic Accuracy+7
Haste+5%
Adhara Turban
"Magic Attack Bonus"+7
Enmity-6 Haste+3%
Spell interruption rate down 20%
*Possibly for nukes, this would work well in place of teal and the like but not the beret.
Shedir Turban
DEF:38 Magic Accuracy+4
Singing skill +4 Haste+5%
Song recast delay -3
Body
Enif Corazza
DEF:75 HP+45 MP+45 Accuracy+23
"Quadruple Attack"+2% Haste+3%
*If you don't have access to NN gear and need the accuracy, Toci+oce(+1) is still a superior combination than this+whatever.
Adhara Manteel
DEF:63 Magic Accuracy+5
Healing magic skill +13
Dark magic skill +13
Blue magic skill +13
Haste+4%
*Pretty clutch for stoneskins/magic barrier/occultation/debuffs.
Shedir Manteel
DEF:63 Accuracy+10 Attack+10
Magic Accuracy+5
"Magic Attack Bonus"+5 Haste+4%
Potency of "Cure" effects
received +3%
Hands
Enif Manopolas
DEF:30 HP+33 MP+33 Accuracy+5
Attack+5 Enmity+7 Haste+4%
*If you don't have access to NN gear or Nomkhapha mitts.
Adhara Gages
DEF:28 Magic Accuracy+6
"Magic Attack Bonus"+6 Enmity-5
Avatar perpetuation cost -2
Haste+2%
Shedir Gages
DEF:28 Sword skill +10 Club skill +10
Staff skill +10 Divine magic skill +10
Healing magic skill +10
Enfeebling magic skill +10
Legs
Enif Cosciales
DEF:49 HP+40 MP+40
Accuracy+6 Attack+6
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
Haste+5%
*New fast cast legs.
Adhara Seraweels
DEF:40 Magic Accuracy+4
Divine magic skill +11
Healing magic skill +11
Enfeebling magic skill +11
Enmity-3 Haste+3%
Shedir Seraweels
DEF:40 Enhancing magic skill +15
Elemental resistance spells +15
Enhances "Stoneskin" effect
Enhances "Aquaveil" effect
*/RDM
Feet
Enif Gambieras
DEF:29 HP+48 MP+48 Accuracy+6
Attack+6 Ranged Accuracy+6
Haste+4% Wyvern: HP+80
*If you don't have Athos or NN gear.
Adhara Crackows
DEF:27 Magic Accuracy+3
Enhancing magic skill +8
Elemental magic skill +8
Summoning magic skill +8
"Conserve MP"+4 Haste+3%
Shedir Crackows
DEF:29 "Blood Boon"+3
Avatar: Enhances magic accuracy
Enhances "Magic Attack Bonus"
Increases "Blood Pact" damage
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-13 22:03:06
Quetzalcoatl.Krylon said: »Question regarding A.Spikes...
Seems pretty straight forward but do most BLUs have a separate Physical set (DEX based) to swap into when casting spells that are DEX based or is it considered not really worth it?
STR/DEX set is fine. The DEX/INT modifiers on it are too low to really consider making a full-on set for it, as your inventory would be better spent elsewhere.
Quote: O.Headpiece or Mirage +2? Or something else?
Mirage +2 or Aias.
Quote: Magus Jubbah +1 or Loki's/Toci's/Whatever DEX+alot Body
Magus +1
Quote: Better option for Hands that are relatively simple to obtain?
Enkidu mittens, Myrmex mittens, Athos gloves, Kheper Wristbands
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-06-13 22:13:22
Oh look, now I can wear a Hofud with my Hofud.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-13 22:15:26
8% HP for breaths!
But yeah. Sadly even with this meager spread of sidegrades, BLU is one of the better off jobs with this new gear... was hoping they'd make it worthwhile. The payment lapse continues.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-06-13 22:17:58
Oh look, now I can wear a Hofud with my Hofud.
By Yozo 2012-06-13 22:22:28
Color me unimpressed and longing for more than just identical gear with slightly higher values :\ Was hoping for a bigger revamp from previous incarnations like with NN.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-06-13 22:24:19
Most notable thing in this update is probably SE making Voidwatch less painful, which is pretty sad to be honest. Tickets can suck a *** but hey, at least pickup VW won't be quite so painful now.
The lack of content in this update is going to be problematic for SE from a subscription standpoint. They're going to be on a rather nasty downhill slide til Vanafest and I honestly doubt they have anything in store for us that can properly turn that around.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-06-13 22:40:33
Picking out the miscellaneous stuff that's semi-notable:
Sortiarius Earring Rare
"Magic Attack Bonus"+6 Enmity-2
Dux Visor +1
DEF:41 STR+6 Attack+14
Physical damage taken -4%
Enmity+4
Chelona Hat +1
DEF:33 MP+45 STR-8 DEX-8 VIT-8
AGI-8 INT+8 MND+8 CHR+8
"Magic Attack Bonus"+6 Enmity-6
Dux Sc.Mail +1
DEF:69 STR+10 VIT+10 Attack+16
Physical damage taken -5%
Enmity+7
Chelona Blazer +1
DEF:58 MP+55 STR-12 DEX-12 VIT-12
AGI-12 INT+12 MND+12 CHR+12
"Cure" potency +6%
MP recovered while healing +9
Dux Cuisses +1
DEF:56 STR+8 Attack+12
Physical damage taken -5%
Enmity+6
Dux Greaves +1
DEF:31 VIT+6 Accuracy+10
Physical damage taken -4%
Enmity+5
Chelona Boots +1
DEF:24 MP+40 STR-7 DEX-7 VIT-7
AGI-7 INT+7 MND+7 CHR+7
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
MP recovered while healing +6
Dux: WAR, RDM, PLD, DRK, BST, RNG, SAM, DRG, BLU
Chelona: WHM, BLM, RDM, BRD, SMN, BLU, PUP, SCH
Credit again goes to Jinjo.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-13 22:41:44
More stuff:
(Source: The thread from the other post and http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/June_2012_Version_Update_Changes)
Head
Chelona Hat
DEF:32
MP+40 STR-7 DEX-7 VIT-7 AGI-7 INT+7 MND+7 CHR+7
"Magic Attack Bonus"+5 Enmity-5
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
Chelona Hat +1
DEF:33
MP+45 STR-8 DEX-8 VIT-8 AGI-8 INT+8 MND+8 CHR+8
"Magic Attack Bonus"+6 Enmity-6
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
*Both for nukes.
Dux Visor
DEF:40
STR+5 Attack+13 Physical damage taken -3% Enmity+3
WAR / RDM / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / SAM / DRG / BLU
Dux Visor +1
DEF:41
STR+6 Attack+14 Physical damage taken -4% Enmity+4
WAR / RDM / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / SAM / DRG / BLU
*Both for PDT.
Body
Moogle Suit
Cannot Equip Hand, Leg, or Footgear
DEF:1
Dispense: Mog Missile
All
*LOL WTF IS THIS ***
Chelona Blazer
DEF:57
MP+50 STR-11 DEX-11 VIT-11 AGI-11 INT+11 MND+11 CHR+11 "Cure" potency +5% MP recovered while healing +8
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
Chelona Blazer +1
DEF:58
MP+55 STR-12 DEX-12 VIT-12 AGI-12 INT+12 MND+12 CHR+12 "Cure" potency +6% MP recovered while healing +9
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
*Both for cures.
Dux Scale Mail
DEF:68
STR+9 VIT+9 Attack+15 Physical damage taken -4% Enmity+6
WAR / RDM / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / SAM / DRG / BLU
Dux Scale Mail +1
DEF:69
STR+10 VIT+10 Attack+16 Physical damage taken -5% Enmity+7
WAR / RDM / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / SAM / DRG / BLU
*Both for PDT.
Hands
Chelona Gloves
DEF:26
MP+30 STR-5 DEX-5 VIT-5 AGI-5 INT+5 MND+5 CHR+5 Magic Accuracy+7 Enmity-3
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
Chelona Gloves +1
DEF:27
MP+35 STR-6 DEX-6 VIT-6 AGI-6 INT+6 MND+6 CHR+6 Magic Accuracy+8 Enmity-4
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
Dux Finger Gauntlets
DEF:32
VIT+4 Accuracy+10 Physical damage taken -2% Enmity+4
WAR / RDM / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / SAM / DRG / BLU
Dux Finger Gauntlets +1
DEF:33
VIT+5 Accuracy+11 Physical damage taken -3% Enmity+5
WAR / RDM / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / SAM / DRG / BLU
*HQ for PDT.
Legs
Chelona Trousers
DEF:46
MP+40 STR-8 DEX-8 VIT-8 AGI-8 INT+8 MND+8 CHR+8 Enmity-5 Bonus damage added to magic burst
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
Chelona Trousers +1
DEF:47
MP+45 STR-9 DEX-9 VIT-9 AGI-9 INT+9 MND+9 CHR+9 Enmity-6 Bonus damage added to magic burst
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
Dux Cuisses
DEF:55
STR+7 Attack+11 Physical damage taken -4% Enmity+5
WAR / RDM / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / SAM / DRG / BLU
Dux Cuisses +1
DEF:56
STR+8 Attack+12 Physical damage taken -5% Enmity+6
WAR / RDM / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / SAM / DRG / BLU
*Both for PDT.
Feet
Chelona Boots
DEF:23
MP+35 STR-6 DEX-6 VIT-6 AGI-6 INT+6 MND+6 CHR+6 Enhances "Fast Cast" effect MP recovered while healing +5
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
Chelona Boots +1
DEF:24
MP+40 STR-7 DEX-7 VIT-7 AGI-7 INT+7 MND+7 CHR+7 Enhances "Fast Cast" effect MP recovered while healing +6
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
*Fast cast and hMP.
Dux Greaves
DEF:30 VIT+5 Accuracy+9 Physical damage taken -3% Enmity+4
WAR / RDM / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / SAM / DRG / BLU
Dux Greaves +1
DEF:31 VIT+6 Accuracy+10 Physical damage taken -4% Enmity+5
WAR / RDM / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / SAM / DRG / BLU
*Both for PDT.
Accessories
Eihwaz Ring
HP+70 Enmity+5 Enhances resistance against "Death"
All
Dagaz Ring
Attack+10 Ranged Attack+10 Enmity-1
All
Sortiarius Earring
"Magic Attack Bonus"+6 Enmity-2
All
*Replaces Moldavite earring, possibly Strophadic, didn't do the maffs.
Prodigious Mantle
DEF:20 HP+80 MP+20 VIT+4 Enhances "Resist Petrify" effect
All
Algidus Cape
DEF:7 INT+6 Element: Ice+10 Enmity-6 Enhances "Resist Paralyze" effect
WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-06-13 22:42:32
Body
Moogle Suit
Cannot Equip Hand, Leg, or Footgear
DEF:1
Dispense: Mog Missile
All
Yes.
By Yozo 2012-06-13 22:43:44
Finally, I can toss out all my old Darksteel+1 gear! /Meh
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-13 22:47:07
More:
(Source: Same as last post)
Weapons
Ark Saber
(Sword)
DMG:1 Delay:999
Enchantment: Costume
<1/1 0:30/[1:00:00, 0:30]>
All
Ark Sword
(Sword)
DMG:1 Delay:999
Enchantment: Costume
<1/1 0:30/[1:00:00, 0:30]>
All
Killer's Kilij
(Sword)
DMG:56 Delay:236 MP+30 DEX+2 VIT+2 Enhances "Killer" effects
BLU
Eradicator's Kilij
(Sword)
DMG:57 Delay:229 MP+35 DEX+3 VIT+3 Enhances "Killer" effects
BLU
*Good stopgap weapons while working on trial swords.
Ark Tabar
(Axe)
DMG:1 Delay:999
Enchantment: Costume
<1/1 0:30/[1:00:00, 0:30]>
All
Ark Scythe
(Scythe)
DMG:1 Delay:999 Enchantment: Costume
<1/1 0:30/[1:00:00, 0:30]>
All
Ark Tachi
(Great Katana)
DMG:1 Delay:999 Enchantment: Costume
<1/1 0:30/[1:00:00, 0:30]>
All
Gobbie Gavel
(Club)
DEF:1 Delay:288 Enchantment: Costume
<1/1 0:30/[1:00:00, 0:30]>
All
Shell Scepter
(Club)
DEF:1 Delay:288 Enchantment: Costume
<1/1 0:30/[1:00:00, 0:30]>
All
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-06-13 22:56:15
Hopefully Dux/Chelona stuff is easy to make and high enough level for crafters to finally get their skillups.
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