The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

Does the sim take into account AM3 with Expiacion? if so im fairly shocked the difference between it and Savage is so large. Savage def hits a bit harder but AM3 is basically WS spam. I thought it would easily close/surpass the gap

He is talking about WS damage not dps.

im dumb and just didnt read that far it seems.

Yes, I was referring to just WS damage, not DPS with those numbers.

My point was that most people are already aware that Expiacion can beat out Savage Blade spam despite the lower WS damage, due to the increase in WS frequency from mythic AM3. *Similarly*, Imperator can also beat out other options for overall damage despite the weaker WS if you can consistently 3–step darkness.

Keep in mind that lower Expiacion is only for uncapped attack, where Savage is boosted by unique attack on Naegling. With capped attack on both, Savage and Expiacion are about even.

Yep. Though I wonder how Flametongue factors in (for those who went that route). It's noticeably stronger than Naegling for SB when you're so far capped that you can't make use of Naegling's attack bonus. I haven't tested it yet, but Flametongue/SB likely pulls ahead of Expiacion in terms of pure WS damage in capped situations.

Yep it seems to be around 3% ahead of Naegling Savage if you have aria and 3.6% ahead without aria.

Sorry if this was mentioned already but I tried looking for this but struggled a bit:

- Which spells do people usually use specifically for AOEing and STing? Some searching in the forums told me dark orb, tenebral, entomb, spectral floe.

- Is there a rough comparison in numbers to BLU magic vs SCH/BLM nuking with magic? This is more of a fun question because I've got a built BLM that I enjoy sometimes AOE/ST nuking with so getting a rough idea would be cool. I would've tested it before asking but I'm a bit time-gated even though I'm gearing my BLU atm.

- I think someone (while comparing icebrand/bunzi vs maxientius/bunzi mentioned they do 12k with ST magic nuking on max/bunzi, though I didn't get a good look at their gear. That's the only number I could go off of for now.

(Again, mostly a fun theory question, not really to do with meta. I'm planning to experiment a bit with some magic in the future.)

The go-to primary nukes are the Adoulin elemental mob spells; Spectral Floe, Entomb, Tenebral Crush, Searing Tempest, Blinding Fulgor, Scouring Spate, Anvil Lightning, and Silent Storm. Usually you utilize whichever element(s) are favorable for your targets. Otherwise, among those Spectral Floe & Entomb are particularly useful since they inflict terror and petrification respectively. Those effects helps considerably when you're doing large group cleaves since it will pause incoming attacks for a period of time. Anvil Lightning has a stun effect as well, and Blinding Fulgor has a flash effect.

Special mention to Subduction; while not as strong as the Adoulin elemental spells, it is a very cheap cost and quick cast AoE spell that inflicts gravity. Useful for finishing off hanger-ons with low HP or if you need to suddenly start kiting because of a slip-up.

EDIT: As far as extra buffs/utility for when nuking; Sound Blast is very useful utility to have slotted in when you know you are going to be doing AoE'ing since it is an AoE INT debuff. This will assist your output if the mobs you are fighting don't die in a single cast. Memento Mori is also a short duration magic attack bonus buff you can put up just before performing nukes. Carcharian Verve gives you a very long duration and very durable Aquaveil effect to avoid interrupts. Occultation is a no brainer for blink shadows to dodge hits as well. Barrier Tusk for phalanx to help reduce incoming autoattack damage.

Damage wise, BLU will never compete with BLM or SCH for single target nuking by a longshot. You're likely to see yourself doing a few thousand damage up to 10kish range depending on gear, buffs, and targets. You can get some decent magic bursts during skillchains but you are limited by the requirement of Burst Affinity being activated and that has a 2 minute cooldown. BLU shines in situations where multi-target cleaving trash mobs is viable, which isn't always possible such as Odyssey where AoE damage gets nerfed. I mostly utilize it for exp & merit farming but I know I've seen videos of people utilizing it in Sortie for trash mobs. The petrification effect of Entomb comes in handy more often than you'd think.

Exactly to the point and what I was looking for, thanks!

If I set DW6 and use Erratic Flutter (capped delay with +16DW in gear, Reiki belt and Suppa and Eabani) will Koru and/or KoH not be *** and Haste2 over it?

Koru will not haste you if you have haste on you, wether it's haste1 or haste2 doesn't matter, he won't.
Doesn't the same apply to KoH? I think it does.
I think it's Arciela1 who recasts her haste2 on you regardless.

Neither Koru-Moru or KoH will overwrite any form of haste.
Arciela is the only trust I know of that will habitually throw Haste 2 on top of regular Haste and even she won't overwrite Erratic Flutter.

Idk about that "by a longshot". It's true for Magic bursting for sure, because of magic bursting restriction from JA, but non magic burst single target damage it would be much closer.

"You're likely to see yourself doing a few thousand damage up to 10kish range depending on gear, buffs, and targets."

You can do much more with just top tier gear and without buffs.

Just boost-int

no buffs

My question was more if the trust logic sees erratic flutter as the same buff as haste2. Same icon and same haste % but I know SE does silly things often

It's the same buff, if flutter goes up no haste 2 occurs

2nd question.
If I set Empty Thrash and Heavy Strike + Thrashing Assault I get TA+5% right?

Does adding Acrid Stream + Demoralizing Roar do nothing on top of those?

once you hit the TA trait that's it. No higher tiers or anything like that

can anyone post their set for SIRD combined for Dreamflower, i know cap is 102, but i dont wanna loose potency on dreamflower to much. So a combine set for the 2 is awesome imo, cause not being interupted by mobs while casting sleepflower is the diff between getting dead on mass cleaving pulls, or just sleep everything and nuke it to hell

I don't know what you mean by potency; I assume you're referring to Magic Accuracy since Dream Flower is a base of 90-120 seconds before resists (Does not have Blue magic tiers or potency tier states). In any case, something like this I threw together (empty spots are Alabaster Earring + Murky Ring from Limbus):

ItemSet 400705
merits: 10
back: 10
waist: 12
ammo: 11
hands: 15 (Path D gives Magic Accuracy)
legs: 24
feet: 16 (Path A or D gives Magic Accuracy)
murky ring: 3
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Total 101

You will have to play around and see which sets are the most optimized for your needs, as I didn't sim this, just did a quick search in itemsets on the site and made some common sense swaps.

Can go out and test this and see if you still get interrupts at 101, as not all SIR gear is created equally. If so, swap Null Loop for R15 Loricate Torque +1. You can also forego the cape and use R15 Fi Follet Cape +1, and make up the 5~6% elsewhere (Loricate, Magnetic Earring, etc).

Set has -46% DT with Alabaster Earring + Murky Ring, but you can easily cap DT and still keep decent magic accuracy with other swaps (Adamantite Armor and swap to JSE+1/2 earring, Nyame Helm or Null Masque, etc). If you want a larger chunk of Magic Accuracy, you can swap to AF+4 body which brings set bonus up to 4 pieces (+45 Magic Accuracy), but you will lose a large chunk of -DT, so decide what you want to do here (You can also swap in Sakpata's Sword for tankiness if you don't care to lose TP). Lot of options, just have to build one for your playstyle.

awesome ty, got most of the pieces, and iirc i can upgrade the pants, so thats cool

Pants are same SIRD at +3, just higher stats overall. Not a requirement by any means, but better is better

Do note that it's generally understood that in order to get 100% SIRD you need +102 SIRD in gear.

It's based on the xxxx/1024 value. That's why I said


I think if you're using modern gear and not older SIRD stuff, 101 might work. Even 100. Gotta test it and see which ones work. Just nobody does so default is 102. Same as PDT

102% total, not necessarily in "gear".

okay, so i heard, with blu cleaving set in Omen, people are able to pull 2 families at a time, is this true, and what would be best setup for Omen cleaving and/or Dynamis D cleaving ?

setup meaning gear + spells, i have full empy+3, and working on +4 Af and Relic for respectivly WS dmg ( af body and Relic pants ) and SIRD ( af pants +4 ).

my master level is non existent ( Mlvl 1 ) so i would like to have a great set, so i can for instance cleave in CN (S) or Doh Gates apex Bats

With a good phalanx and an eva/DT hybrid set its possible to pull the entire small light 3rd floor for omen. As long as you have a capped SIRD set with some dt you will survive sleeping. Verve sometimes fails to get your sleep off if you have enough mobs on you. BA + spectral with a good set will oneshot all but the transcendent mobs*. The casters are pretty annoying to line up so I personally do it in two waves all the non casters and then panopts and pixies separately. I don't do dynamis d burning so can't comment too much but I think auroral drape would be great for that. Phalanx is pretty damn important so work on your DM augs daily. It also helps to make sure that whole ***is awake and beating on you you don't swap to sets with low dt. You'll splat really fast on the harder mobs.

That's like 90%; to do it with ease.

My recommendation would be to use something like Sound Blast as your TH spell after gathering/sleeping before nuking.

Eva 1209 Def 1336 DT 55 HP 2157 and 18% Movement speed

this is with a combination of Malig, empy +3 and Null Mask/Belt


should this be enough to pull most of the content ?

( sorry trying to optimize as much as possible )

ps:
this is just the Idle set to pull btw

You can easily pull in Omen with that, but really +35 phalanx set is what really makes pulling/cleaving so much easier.