The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

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By meylee 2025-08-25 06:41:18
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Bahamut.Navius said: »
From sims* and parses (exact numbers are dependent on buffs, attack cap, enemy stats, and TP thresholds), Expiacion falls behind Savage Blade by ~7%, and Imperator falls behind Savage Blade by ~15%. Expiacion makes up for that damage difference with Tizona's AM3 for content where that makes sense to keep up, and Imperator makes up for the damage difference if you can consistently and reliably 3-step skillchain.

Does the sim take into account AM3 with Expiacion? if so im fairly shocked the difference between it and Savage is so large. Savage def hits a bit harder but AM3 is basically WS spam. I thought it would easily close/surpass the gap
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By SimonSes 2025-08-25 07:17:41
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He is talking about WS damage not dps.
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By meylee 2025-08-25 09:56:28
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im dumb and just didnt read that far it seems.
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By Bahamut.Navius 2025-08-25 12:01:38
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Yes, I was referring to just WS damage, not DPS with those numbers.

My point was that most people are already aware that Expiacion can beat out Savage Blade spam despite the lower WS damage, due to the increase in WS frequency from mythic AM3. *Similarly*, Imperator can also beat out other options for overall damage despite the weaker WS if you can consistently 3–step darkness.
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By SimonSes 2025-08-25 13:16:19
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Bahamut.Navius said: »
Yes, I was referring to just WS damage, not DPS with those numbers.

My point was that most people are already aware that Expiacion can beat out Savage Blade spam despite the lower WS damage, due to the increase in WS frequency from mythic AM3. *Similarly*, Imperator can also beat out other options for overall damage despite the weaker WS if you can consistently 3–step darkness.

Keep in mind that lower Expiacion is only for uncapped attack, where Savage is boosted by unique attack on Naegling. With capped attack on both, Savage and Expiacion are about even.
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By Bahamut.Navius 2025-08-25 14:28:01
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SimonSes said: »
Keep in mind that lower Expiacion is only for uncapped attack, where Savage is boosted by unique attack on Naegling. With capped attack on both, Savage and Expiacion are about even.

Yep. Though I wonder how Flametongue factors in (for those who went that route). It's noticeably stronger than Naegling for SB when you're so far capped that you can't make use of Naegling's attack bonus. I haven't tested it yet, but Flametongue/SB likely pulls ahead of Expiacion in terms of pure WS damage in capped situations.
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By SimonSes 2025-08-25 14:33:53
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Yep it seems to be around 3% ahead of Naegling Savage if you have aria and 3.6% ahead without aria.
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By spicychai 2025-09-11 07:49:07
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Sorry if this was mentioned already but I tried looking for this but struggled a bit:

- Which spells do people usually use specifically for AOEing and STing? Some searching in the forums told me dark orb, tenebral, entomb, spectral floe.

- Is there a rough comparison in numbers to BLU magic vs SCH/BLM nuking with magic? This is more of a fun question because I've got a built BLM that I enjoy sometimes AOE/ST nuking with so getting a rough idea would be cool. I would've tested it before asking but I'm a bit time-gated even though I'm gearing my BLU atm.

- I think someone (while comparing icebrand/bunzi vs maxientius/bunzi mentioned they do 12k with ST magic nuking on max/bunzi, though I didn't get a good look at their gear. That's the only number I could go off of for now.

(Again, mostly a fun theory question, not really to do with meta. I'm planning to experiment a bit with some magic in the future.)
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By Phoenix.Madotsuki 2025-09-11 08:59:48
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spicychai said: »
Sorry if this was mentioned already but I tried looking for this but struggled a bit:

- Which spells do people usually use specifically for AOEing and STing? Some searching in the forums told me dark orb, tenebral, entomb, spectral floe.
The go-to primary nukes are the Adoulin elemental mob spells; Spectral Floe, Entomb, Tenebral Crush, Searing Tempest, Blinding Fulgor, Scouring Spate, Anvil Lightning, and Silent Storm. Usually you utilize whichever element(s) are favorable for your targets. Otherwise, among those Spectral Floe & Entomb are particularly useful since they inflict terror and petrification respectively. Those effects helps considerably when you're doing large group cleaves since it will pause incoming attacks for a period of time. Anvil Lightning has a stun effect as well, and Blinding Fulgor has a flash effect.

Special mention to Subduction; while not as strong as the Adoulin elemental spells, it is a very cheap cost and quick cast AoE spell that inflicts gravity. Useful for finishing off hanger-ons with low HP or if you need to suddenly start kiting because of a slip-up.

EDIT: As far as extra buffs/utility for when nuking; Sound Blast is very useful utility to have slotted in when you know you are going to be doing AoE'ing since it is an AoE INT debuff. This will assist your output if the mobs you are fighting don't die in a single cast. Memento Mori is also a short duration magic attack bonus buff you can put up just before performing nukes. Carcharian Verve gives you a very long duration and very durable Aquaveil effect to avoid interrupts. Occultation is a no brainer for blink shadows to dodge hits as well. Barrier Tusk for phalanx to help reduce incoming autoattack damage.

Damage wise, BLU will never compete with BLM or SCH for single target nuking by a longshot. You're likely to see yourself doing a few thousand damage up to 10kish range depending on gear, buffs, and targets. You can get some decent magic bursts during skillchains but you are limited by the requirement of Burst Affinity being activated and that has a 2 minute cooldown. BLU shines in situations where multi-target cleaving trash mobs is viable, which isn't always possible such as Odyssey where AoE damage gets nerfed. I mostly utilize it for exp & merit farming but I know I've seen videos of people utilizing it in Sortie for trash mobs. The petrification effect of Entomb comes in handy more often than you'd think.
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By spicychai 2025-09-11 10:50:00
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Exactly to the point and what I was looking for, thanks!
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