The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

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By DaneBlood 2024-10-26 12:16:10
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just some random testing with o.sash
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Empty	Acu	Obi	11.47	9.99	08.50	08.00	07.50	07.49	6.66	05.00	03.33	02.50
Bunnies:												
8389	8623	9192	8724	8857	8974	9059	9107	9129	9139	9272	9443	9512
8357	8591	9224	8687	8889	8964		9049	9139	9107	9310	9480	9560
8389	8591	9192	8724	8889	8964		9139	9107	9139	9310	9480	9549
8357	8591	9192	8687	8879	8974			9129	9129	9310	9443	9522
8389	8623	9224	8687	8889	8937			9129		9299	9480	
											9480	
Lizards:												
8389	8623	9214	8714	8857	8937	9022		9107	9107	9310	9464	9560
8357	8591	9224	8724	8889	8974			9139	9139	9310	9464	9560
8389	8613	9192	8714	8889	8974			9139	9139	9299	9480	9549
8357									9139	9299		9560
												
8.375	8.606	9.207	8.708	8.880	8.962	9.041	9.098	9.127	9.130	9.302	9.468	9.547
	2,76%	9,93%	3,97%	6,03%	7,01%	7,95%	8,64%	8,98%	9,01%	11,07%	13,06%	13,99%


OBI is with weather effect from another character going /sch
Bottom 2 rows are the average dmg output and the percentage increase over an empty belt slot.
Please note due to sample numbers these are not super exact but was good enough to show a patter of progress

I'll probably add in more data later around the 7.50 to 8.50 marks to narrow down the exact distance for when OBI wins over sash


Since the preview and end results did not look the same here it is in an image instead

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By DaneBlood 2024-10-29 17:59:53
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For tenebral crush using arcon ring i assume it replaces shiva ring and you keep the UNM +1 ring in the nuke set?
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By Shichishito 2024-10-29 21:02:46
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Archon ring is a pretty save bet. Regarding Metamorph ring +1 vs shiva ring +1 I found this:

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Leviathan.Stamos said: ยป
So, decided to augment Metamorph ring +1 first in regards to Odyssey. Have it rank 13 at the moment, and I was curious if it beat Shiva Ring +1 for nuking.

Same method for testing as Max/Kaja rods. All under 1 distance for Sash.

Subduction:

Shiva +1:9657
Metamorph ring +1:9699

Tenebral Crush:

Shiva +1: 19304
Metamorph ring +1: 19538

Retinal Glare:

Shiva +1:12417
Metamorph ring +1: 12751

Entomb:

Shiva +1:15176
Metamorph ring +1:15400

Spectral Floe:

Shiva +1: 17938
Metamorph ring +1: 18498

Anvil Lightning:

Shiva +1: 14407
Metamorph ring +1: 14621

Searing Tempest:

Shiva +1: 14199
Metamorph ring +1: 14407

So, it does across the board. New nuking ring for BLU

Reads like it were single casts, no large data set but since metamorph wins for every spell tested and it only beeing rank 13 I think metamorph +1 is da way.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2024-10-29 21:34:12
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Assuming this is a test of TWO Shiva+1s vs 1 + metamorph right? (as it's not realistic for anyone to pick MAB TVR ring)

What is the best test subject for these #'s?

I plan to try Friomisi vs +20 Hashishin+2
I've instinctively cut Frio for maxHashishin thinking that even if its a slight decrease in damage, the Acc would be worth it, but i'm genuinely curious if the INT+Skill beats the MAB considering the sum of all parts in our endgame sets.
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By spicychai 2024-10-30 12:02:49
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Kind of a noobish BLU soloing question, but how would I go about doing a fight alone against a boss. I'll use the ambu V1 dullahan as an example on VE atm.

I'll use RDM to compare as well with Naegling + Thibron, and maybe malignance (just to compare both jobs with same gear); I buff myself with composure: haste 2 / enfire / temper 2 / protect 5 / shell 5 / regen 2 / refresh 3 / aquaveil / stoneskin / phalanx 2, etc.
Engage boss and debuff it beginning with dia 3 and frazzle 2 and then distract 2 / paralyze 2 / slow 2 / blind, etc.
Then I just spam SB on it while topping up buffs / debuffs as they drop, and cure 4 myself when I get too low.

Now how would I go about fighting as a BLU?

What I've tried is:
Erratic > Nature's Med > cocoon > tourbilion, tried paralyzing triad and entomb for similar debuffs as rdm (though I'm using debuffed addon and not sure if it shows if those applied, but felt like they didn't). I felt like not having protect/shell made me slightly weaker (even with cocoon) but not sure, I had magic fruit which is a lot nicer to use than cure 4, although I was also getting much more damage and had to use it more often and sometimes I couldn't due to interruption. Most of my traits are in STP / DW / DA otherwise, but I did also try to use shadows but at some point stopped since it felt like I was casting too much and attacking too less.

Anyway, I'm sure the way I went about it was very bad, and would like some advice on how I would go about using BLU in general encounters like this that aren't very short. I used the ambu dullahan here as an example since it doesn't have any particular gimmicks, obviously other NMs will be vary so I'll bring different spells to cater to those fights, but yeah the focus is on how to generally fight, (thanks).

Oh, forgot to also add, I didn't get the aquaveil blu spell yet so that's probably a big reason why it felt harder to fight, a few of my spells got interrupted.
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By Kaffy 2024-10-30 12:19:55
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Most BLU stuff is basically what you described, buff and stick a defense down spell, then go to town with swordchucks. How's your fast cast set? Carcharian Verve is nice for cleaving multiple mobs, but you can usually (with practice) get the timing down to heal/buff in between enemy swings without too much trouble.

On anything susceptible to it, abuse Sudden Lunge as much as possible. Some things build resistance quickly, but others you can effectively shut down entirely keeping them stunned.
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By DaneBlood 2024-10-30 12:53:33
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »
Assuming this is a test of TWO Shiva+1s vs 1 + metamorph right? (as it's not realistic for anyone to pick MAB TVR ring)

What is the best test subject for these #'s?

I plan to try Friomisi vs +20 Hashishin+2
I've instinctively cut Frio for maxHashishin thinking that even if its a slight decrease in damage, the Acc would be worth it, but i'm genuinely curious if the INT+Skill beats the MAB considering the sum of all parts in our endgame sets.

when i did test on o sash and the earth magic MAB neck piece for blu i just went to Survival guide in cape terrigan and used rabbits nad lizards

since the nuke spells are single hit you get to see the full dmg.
and there are pretty plentifull in that area
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By DaneBlood 2024-10-30 12:57:32
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spicychai said: »
Kind of a noobish BLU soloing question, but how would I go about doing a fight alone against a boss. I'll use the ambu V1 dullahan as an example on VE atm.

Now how would I go about fighting as a BLU?

I set a pretty physsical DD based spellset. Added with a few enfeebles. sudden lunge is a spell I really like as it part of StoreTP trait and has a really use full stun effect.
Tenebral crush is a big Def down enfeeble.

i cant give to much help sadly. since blu is my wife's character so whenever im on blu im multiboxing and not soloing.
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By spicychai 2024-10-30 13:05:19
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Thanks, I think I'll need to keep testing out battle to get grips with it!

Oh and I'm starting to see why Tizona is quite important for BLU; MP does drain slowly but surely. I'm sure there are ways to combat this e.g. magic hammer on susceptible enemies and battery charge (to an extent).
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By DaneBlood 2024-10-30 13:19:10
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »
Hashishin+2

Napkin math here
since metamorgh +1 wins out to shiave we know that 16-9 = 7 INT beats 3MAB with the help of 10 magic accuracy but its pretty close so we can approximate that with current gearsets 1 MAB ~ 2 INT

friomisi has 10 MAB so you would need around 20 INT to be in the same area. so i dont think the +2 earring is going to make it unless the magic acc can help you against high level mobs

However on physsical enfeebling spells like Sudden lunch it would be a clear winner as it has massive amount of both physsical and magical Acc
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By DaneBlood 2024-10-30 13:20:57
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spicychai said: »
Thanks, I think I'll need to keep testing out battle to get grips with it!

Oh and I'm starting to see why Tizona is quite important for BLU; MP does drain slowly but surely. I'm sure there are ways to combat this e.g. magic hammer on susceptible enemies and battery charge (to an extent).

Tizona is a huge boost for BLU DPS

1: The MP you get back (+ refresh in idle gear) is sometimes enough that you dont need to set magic hammer or battery charge.

2: The AM3 is a huge boost for TP gain and works very well the malignance set for TP'ing


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SHamelss self plug
but for the above you can always tinker around with my little calcualtor https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xnC7ETVxBDQ5jIgE7umoyryc6cL0VZyoUUe99QJrOIU/edit?usp=sharing

This is an example of much much Tizona turns the tide away from MA toward STP build for TP'ing
this is a basic malignances TP set (With no DW because i forgot)


MA set has DA on cape and uses petrove + Eponas rings
STP set uses STP on Cape and 2 chiric + 1
the rest are idetical

Before without AM3 multi attack has a higher TP gain. but once AM3 gets put into the mix, the STP based build pulls ahead.

I dont have blu on my main character but even for my Wife;s blu. I love Tizona
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-10-30 15:54:58
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blue magic doesn't benefit from PDL, moved to working as intended.

Not shocked, but nice to know.
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By SimonSes 2024-10-30 17:39:38
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Phoenix.Iocus said: »
blue magic doesn't benefit from PDL, moved to working as intended.

Not shocked, but nice to know.

lame
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