If a list of people who use windower was released and windower was really deemed "Ban-able", do you think SE would actually ***-can hundreds of thousands of players? Hell no they wouldn't. The money they would lose would be ridiculous. That's why I believe it's getting to the point where they could give two farts and a turd what you do anymore.(Why there are still so many notorious botting LS's and such still out there.)
So what I'm saying is do whatever the hell you want stop worrying about other people's playstyles because there is jack ***you can change about it... it's just the way this game is. If you don't care for it, go break out your snes and play with yourself
How Do You Feel About Windower?
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How do you feel about Windower?
Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs Luignata said: It all boils down to this. Windower = Illegal, as described in the ToS and actions that have been taken by S.E. Nuff said. Everyone using windower is wrong, regardless of their reasons. Don't use it. It's their right to be wrong. O.o Who here needs it bad to feel good? Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Jesus you are dense. How do you think they get the information for price history and such? By scraping content from FFXI whether using a game client or directly connecting to the AH servers (not quite sure how they get their information). Either way its a 3rd party app for acquiring in game data. Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. Yasko said: Luignata said: It all boils down to this. Windower = Illegal, as described in the ToS and actions that have been taken by S.E. Nuff said. Everyone using windower is wrong, regardless of their reasons. Don't use it. It's their right to be wrong. O.o Who here needs it bad to feel good? If you dont like it. Deal, if you do, then just continue what you are doing, Nobody is holding a gun to your head or a knife to your throat saying to use this and do that. Do as you wish, You only have one life, live it as you would. Its a game, play it how you will. Thats about all I have to say about the windower comment. Barol said: If a list of people who use windower was released and windower was really deemed "Ban-able", do you think SE would actually ***-can hundreds of thousands of players? Hell no they wouldn't. The money they would lose would be ridiculous. That's why I believe it's getting to the point where they could give two farts and a turd what you do anymore.(Why there are still so many notorious botting LS's and such still out there.) So what I'm saying is do whatever the hell you want stop worrying about other people's playstyles because there is jack ***you can change about it... it's just the way this game is. If you don't care for it, go break out your snes and play with yourself i believe u are referencing the app list... don't recall anything about a "windower list" lol Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. it allows you to access in game content, without being in game. of course its a third party tool. what else would it be? hrmm... double reply. too quick Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. So by your logic, its not ok to use 3rd party applications, but if you can gain a benefit from someone else using 3rd party applications then its all good. Dinarii said: Barol said: If a list of people who use windower was released and windower was really deemed "Ban-able", do you think SE would actually ***-can hundreds of thousands of players? Hell no they wouldn't. The money they would lose would be ridiculous. That's why I believe it's getting to the point where they could give two farts and a turd what you do anymore.(Why there are still so many notorious botting LS's and such still out there.) So what I'm saying is do whatever the hell you want stop worrying about other people's playstyles because there is jack ***you can change about it... it's just the way this game is. If you don't care for it, go break out your snes and play with yourself i believe u are referencing the app list... don't recall anything about a "windower list" lol lol no not that list, talking about if a "windower" list surfaced.... it would be a little bigger than the app list lol my bad, totally missed the "If" at the start ROFL!
I'm in the minority. I don't use Windower, or its add-ons. Sometimes I get really pissed off about knowing (or sensing) someone else is using it, I won't deny that. However, it does piss me off when Windower users feel the need to downgrade or insult my choice.
I understand by not using it my gear swaps require 2+ macroes, and with lag, I can mess up SADE or TADE, or have to hit an RA macro twice because I was standing 2 steps from being "in range." That doesn't mean I'm a shitty player worth not inviting (Happily, it's never come to that extreme... I think). I just picked up BLM again, and will hopefully finish it this time. I'm not looking forward to being yelled at for not having finished casting Sleepga(II) in Dynamis as the mobs are waking up(Though usually it's a RDM that takes care of it), nor having to spend 1-2 extra seconds to begin casting. Shua said: Yasko said: Luignata said: It all boils down to this. Windower = Illegal, as described in the ToS and actions that have been taken by S.E. Nuff said. Everyone using windower is wrong, regardless of their reasons. Don't use it. It's their right to be wrong. O.o Who here needs it bad to feel good? If you dont like it. Deal, if you do, then just continue what you are doing, Nobody is holding a gun to your head or a knife to your throat saying to use this and do that. Do as you wish, You only have one life, live it as you would. Its a game, play it how you will. Thats about all I have to say about the windower comment. Lol wat!? That's what I was saying, subtly through the use of a sexual metaphor. Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. What Jaerik's said, a million times before It's already been said that Windower and FFXIAH use the same basic technology. Now.. one for you. Luignata said: FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. Please, show me where Windower changes the code behind FFXI, as opposed to simply placing pretty numbers everywhere. Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. First of all, you do realize that you have to download the website to be able to view it right? How does windower change the code in ffxi? All windower does is allow you to view the info coming from the server in a more organized way. Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. You clearly have no idea what the definition of 3rd pt software is so here lets go In computer programming, third party software component is a reusable software component developed to be either freely distributed or sold by an entity other than the original vendor of the development platform. Oh and show me where 3rd pt software is explictly prohibitted not just center uses of it. I dare you I find the windower thing stupid. if you need it and want to risk it, then use it ,nobody would care really... , all the plugins windower has , like the timer are useless to me since I dont have a job that demands those.plus it sucks that Im not able to play on PC in the first place , just a 360 user
Frobeus said: Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. First of all, you do realize that you have to download the website to be able to view it right? How does windower change the code in ffxi? All windower does is allow you to view the info coming from the server in a more organized way. HUH? Download what site? This one? Hmmm.... Don't recall ever having to do that =P Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. Well technically its game altering since i can check how much sushi is on the AH... on a different server... from my mog house... im sure SE didnt intend for that to be possible. Yarly... Your computer 'downloads' ANY website it displays. Think much? :P
His logic though is since it's not "in the FFXI window" it's not illegal. Teamspeak, Ventrillo, Any FF related website which gives information, LS boards which are not the actual community site, websites which give plugins and addons to FF11 = 3rd party.
Xellith said: Teamspeak, Ventrillo, Any FF related website which gives information, LS boards which are not the actual community site = 3rd party. Xbox Live Chat ftw! All i see it a lot of butthurt console users from this thread.
Tbest said: Yarly... Your computer 'downloads' ANY website it displays. Think much? :P His logic though is since it's not "in the FFXI window" it's not illegal. Neither are alot of bots from what I understand (why put proof that your botting on the screen) they just put direct key inputs in. Hitetsu said: Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. What Jaerik's said, a million times before It's already been said that Windower and FFXIAH use the same basic technology. Now.. one for you. Luignata said: FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. Please, show me where Windower changes the code behind FFXI, as opposed to simply placing pretty numbers everywhere. The numbers you see on the screen are windower altering the FFXI code, or injecting it’s own code, both of which are illegal. Frobeus said: Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. First of all, you do realize that you have to download the website to be able to view it right? How does windower change the code in ffxi? All windower does is allow you to view the info coming from the server in a more organized way. We’re downloading HTML. We’re not downloading any 3rd party programs that allow us to alter the game. Learn how websites work please, I’m a website designer, I know these things. Xellith said: Teamspeak, Ventrillo, Any FF related website which gives information, LS boards which are not the actual community site, websites which give plugins and addons to FF11 = 3rd party. <True Strike> Luignata said: I’m a website designer, I know these things. /thread Luignata said: Hitetsu said: Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. What Jaerik's said, a million times before It's already been said that Windower and FFXIAH use the same basic technology. Now.. one for you. Luignata said: FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. Please, show me where Windower changes the code behind FFXI, as opposed to simply placing pretty numbers everywhere. The numbers you see on the screen are windower altering the FFXI code, or injecting it’s own code, both of which are illegal. Frobeus said: Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. First of all, you do realize that you have to download the website to be able to view it right? How does windower change the code in ffxi? All windower does is allow you to view the info coming from the server in a more organized way. We’re downloading HTML. We’re not downloading any 3rd party programs that allow us to alter the game. Learn how websites work please, I’m a website designer, I know these things. and amidst all that knowledge, you still come off sounding like a pompous douchebag. go you! Luignata said: Hitetsu said: Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. What Jaerik's said, a million times before It's already been said that Windower and FFXIAH use the same basic technology. Now.. one for you. Luignata said: FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. Please, show me where Windower changes the code behind FFXI, as opposed to simply placing pretty numbers everywhere. The numbers you see on the screen are windower altering the FFXI code, or injecting it’s own code, both of which are illegal. Frobeus said: Luignata said: Dasva said: Luignata said: Tbest said: This is a third-party tool, whether you like it or not, Luignata. Show me where in the ToS it says that. Are you a *** idiot the ToS doesnt say what programs are 3rd pt programs FFXIAH is a website, it's not downloaded, it does not alter our perception or ability to play the game. It does not change the code in FFXI or alter the game in any shape or form. Therefor it cannot be considered a 3rd party program. First of all, you do realize that you have to download the website to be able to view it right? How does windower change the code in ffxi? All windower does is allow you to view the info coming from the server in a more organized way. We’re downloading HTML. We’re not downloading any 3rd party programs that allow us to alter the game. Learn how websites work please, I’m a website designer, I know these things. <Pond> |
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