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Random Question thread (FFXI related)
Sylph.Jrpg
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By Sylph.Jrpg 2012-10-06 13:03:17
Is brawny adargas better than str oxyurani? Looking at Kinematics spreadsheet and brawny beats oxy in both capped/uncapped attack situations.
If true, I made my str oxyurani for nothing (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2012-10-06 15:29:29
While this has been bumped, I remember someone in another thread saying there were only 4~5 worthwhile Mythics - Does anyone know which Relics/Mythics/Empyreans work out best at 95/99?
(Wasn't sure whether this was a big enough question to warrant it's own thread or not >_> Figured while I wasn't looking for loads of math, it'd be better off in here!)
Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 15:56:14
Kogarasumaru, Ryunohige, and depending on your definition of worthwhile, Kenkonken.
That's pretty much it.
By Gimpness 2012-10-06 16:05:39
Conqueror!
and Burtgang I guess... if PLD was still a job ;-----;.
By Avitori 2012-10-06 16:06:16
Yagrush maybe if you are a hardcore WHM. Too bad most them are are junk (expensive and time consuming sure, but not very useful).
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-06 16:06:31
Yagrush is still a very nice tool!
And Liberator is far from a bad weapon for DRK.
AND MURLEGIS IS A MUST FOR ANY SERIOUS RDM! (I wanted this so bad when it was released)
By Avitori 2012-10-06 16:08:06
I think Conqueror is the best Great Axe when you can keep AM3 up, i'm not sure if it beats Ragnarok though. Someone in my shell is making one and will be done next month so we'll see.
By Gimpness 2012-10-06 16:09:55
Meh, it's strikes onry (I think).
Pop off a 300TP KJ ---> spam the living ***out of Upheaval.
By Avitori 2012-10-06 16:11:59
The problem with mythics is their usefulness doesn't really justify the opportunity cost of making them (It's worth 600mil here at 20k/each not to mention all the other requirements). That could easily be 4-5 relic weapons that are much more useful.
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By Odin.Creaucent 2012-10-06 17:08:24
Dont forget Nirvana as well.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 17:17:12
When I say worthwhile I mean that to an observer there will be a noticeable change in your performance (positive) compared to other options.
No one gives a ***about SMN outside of PD and shock squall. WHM does its job well enough without Yagrush and no one will really notice you're using it, but at least it does have a positive effect.
My list was exhaustive.
Oh sMn has diamond storm too.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 17:39:00
Yes, the item is consumed when you trade it.
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By Odin.Creaucent 2012-10-06 17:41:20
I think a main smn will notice a positive performance change out of Nirvana, the huge amount of mab will add a nice chunk of damage AM3 ups avatar damage quite a bit. Theres a lot more to do than just stand there summon Alexander then switch to Ramuh just to use Shock Squall every 45 secs and its quite easy to keep mp up these days.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 17:43:04
When I say worthwhile I mean that to an observer there will be a noticeable change in your performance (positive) compared to other options.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 17:44:25
And being able to keep up AM is not a reasonable expectation for a SMN versus any content to which it's worth bringing a SMN.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-10-06 17:45:04
And 1.8 * total ***avatar DPS = total ***avatar DPS.
Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 17:47:27
For some reason I was thinking AM3 was Avatar Magic Attack.
That it's acc/attack makes it even shittier.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-10-06 17:48:24
It's OA3, which also applies to BPs (but doesn't really matter because most BPs have a base fTP of something like 10. Miss the first hit on Pred Claws and you'll see what I mean.)
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 17:49:43
Aren't the magical BPs the ones that actually matter, anyway?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-10-06 17:50:10
It still depends what you're fighting, but Nirvana might give them the boost they need to outshine physical BPs against many targets.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 17:51:35
It doesn't matter, it's still a complete waste of Alexandrite.
Still not as bad as Nagi, though.
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By Odin.Creaucent 2012-10-06 17:54:41
You are talking like theres nothing else in the game apart from Legion. AM3 is ALWAYS OA2-3 on every mythic which applies to avatars as well. Probably same reason why one would make a Mjollnir you wouldnt have a whm meleeing something thats worth while yet people still make it, you included, if someone likes the job that much than why not get one? It is the best staff a smn can get.
Edit: Its as much a waste of Alexandrite as currency is for Mjollnir, Claustrum, Spharai, Guttler, Yoichi and Kikoku. Yet still people make them because they like that job enough to get them. Obviously it costs 6 times the cash to make a mythic than a relic but if you have the money why not.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-10-06 17:55:08
I agree, waste of Alexandrite.
.... says the Terpsichore user to the Terpsichore maker.
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Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 17:56:31
You are talking like theres nothing else in the game apart from Legion. AM3 is ALWAYS OA2-3 on every mythic which applies to avatars as well. Probably same reason why one would make a Mjollnir you wouldnt have a whm meleeing something thats worth while yet people still make it, you included, if someone likes the job that much than why not get one? It is the best staff a smn can get.
I made a Mjollnir to piss off my friends.
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Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-06 17:58:24
When did "waste of alex\currency" stop people from making stuff they want anyways!
If there's something you want, make it.
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Fenrir.Jinjo
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-10-06 18:09:28
I mean, I've played WHM approximately three times in the past two years.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 18:59:23
When did "waste of alex\currency" stop people from making stuff they want anyways!
If there's something you want, make it.
Note that the mythic I'm making is not on my exhaustive list!
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-10-06 20:34:55
While this has been bumped, I remember someone in another thread saying there were only 4~5 worthwhile Mythics - Does anyone know which Relics/Mythics/Empyreans work out best at 95/99?
(Wasn't sure whether this was a big enough question to warrant it's own thread or not >_> Figured while I wasn't looking for loads of math, it'd be better off in here!) Conqueror: WAR doesn't get a whole lot out of AM3. Maybe a small upgrade at best.
Glanzfaust: not a significant increase
Yagrush: marginal benefits
Laevateinn: *** YEAH METEOR and that's about it. 299 TP AM2 in Voidwatch but procs say hi
Murgleis: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha
Vajra: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Burtgang: Nice turtle sword for all that's worth, not as significant for DPS as you might think.
Liberator: Barely comes out above Ragnarok if you have relatively minimal buffs. Things like Boost-STR and COR buffs heavily favor Ragnarok.
Aymur: *** if I know, it's BST.
Carnwenhan: Keeping songs up is not that hard. Marginal for Marcato buffs maybe.
Gastraphetes: AM3 is double damage and doesn't proc on WS, so I can't see this being good.
Kogarasumaru: Well ahead of the competition.
Nagi: *** yeah Mijin? It's ***.
Ryunohige: Amazing as always.
Nirvana: ...*** yeah SMN damage? Good, but not for applications that are actually relevant.
Tizona: Barely edges out Almace if level correction is low and attack is high enough to overcome Requiescat's penalty. Mostly "useful" in a utility sense, so it's moreso a toy than a straight upgrade.
Death Penalty: Town gear.
Kenkonken: Best PUP weapon.
Terpsichore: It'd be decent if DNC was still a healer, but as it stands it's not.
Tupsumati: I've never understood this weapon, just plain bad. tl;dr what Sylow said
Worth noting that all of these are without taking AM3 rebuild time into account. Any "marginal" melee weapon loses the moment you factor that in.
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Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-06 20:47:43
You're not going to convince me to not make my shitty Terpsichore.
For those of you that visit Bg you already know the premise of this thread but for those that don't, it's simple.
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If your answer is on the large side either providing a link or spoilering the answer might be a good idea to help reduce the thread size.
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