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Random Question thread (FFXI related)
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-01-25 19:48:24
I have been wondering about Null Belt vs. Carrier's Sash for magic evasion.
Null: Magic Evasion +30 + MDB +3
Carrier's: Elemental Resistances +15
For jobs with Engraved Belt, I'm guessing they should go with that for anything using elemental magic, but what about jobs that can't? I'm aware there's an additional resist state that can only be reached by adding elemental resistances, but is +35 (including Warder's Charm +1) enough? Wouldn't Null's +30 magic evasion be more consistent?
By Nariont 2025-01-25 21:08:33
You need only +1 ele resist to hit the final resist state for dmg related magic, so that's why carrier's/engraved/warders is in most of those sets. You can shift the ele resist to warder's but that leaves you light/dark to fill elsewhere such as earrings
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-01-25 21:24:37
You need only +1 ele resist to hit the final resist state for dmg related magic, so that's why carrier's/engraved/warders is in most of those sets. You can shift the ele resist to warder's but that leaves you light/dark to fill elsewhere such as earrings
What does a MDT set look like now? What are these earrings?
Ragnarok.Martel
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2025-01-25 21:42:06
Arete del luna+1 is a good light resist earring option, and has various status resists(+augs).
For dark resist earrings... there's really not much but basic old elemental earrings. Pluto's earring/pearl, etc.
Wuji ring is also a good non-earring option as it covers both light and dark in one slot. Also has resist sleep and charm.
But personally, I'd rather just use carrier's and get other stats on neck/earrings/rings
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-01-25 21:54:23
I guess it depends on the job. For the jobs that can use it, Moonlight Necklace + Eabani + Flashward (or Lugalbanda for +2 more) = 30-32 Magic Evasion. Makes sense to use Engraved/Carrier's.
If a job cannot use Moonlight, you're only getting +16-18 Magic Evasion from the earrings compared to Null Belt +30. So, it may be worth using other earrings for the Light/Dark elements. Wuji Ring is a solid choice because then you're only losing the +9 MEVA from Vengeful, as opposed to the +16-18 from the earrings.
But thinking about this. If you're not a Rune Fencer (neck +2 has +30 MEVA), aren't you better off using Warder's/Null Belt/Wuji? You wouldn't need to switch the earrings.
Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-01-25 22:52:17
How often are you guys being hit by dark- and light-based nukes?
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-01-25 22:54:54
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »How often are you guys being hit by dark- and light-based nukes?
This isn't just about nukes? There are plenty of light and dark magic based TP moves.
Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-01-25 23:10:57
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »How often are you guys being hit by dark- and light-based nukes?
This isn't just about nukes? There are plenty of light and dark magic based TP moves.
Ok, for your engaged set against...Cait sith? Or an idle set in case you walk by a teammate engaged against an unexpected defiant?
Thinking about most content that is going to kill you with magic damage, I think there are vanishing few cases where light or darkness damage is going to be a threat.
I have 0 dark resist in any engaged set on any job and I've never noticed my HP suddenly tanking from cruel joke, I guess is what I'm getting at. Build sets for the majority, not the corner cases.
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-01-26 15:05:03
MDT sets for anything outside of a tank job is for reacting to, or knowing when a high magic damage move is coming, and there are enough moves to consider that for Light and Dark. Not many for light, but plenty for dark. Take Omen as one example, everything the Caturae's do are dark based.
The original question was about deciding what is optimum for magic damage (and possibly status resist) sets in any given situation. Magic damage sets outside of tanking are niche, but they are made so you're prepared for if/when the situations arise. It's better to have them, than have to worry about making something mid-run. From what you are saying, it would mean Null Belt would always be used with Warder's Charm for any job, including Rune Fencer, as this nets the most MEVA and some extra MBD without adding Light/Dark elemental resistances.
I believe Martel answered the question. I'll probably get a Wuji Ring and use that in MDT sets except for Rune Fencer for the extra magic evasion. This means I won't need Carrier's, so I can send that to my mule. I'm not having to use more equipment to do this. I just like to optimize sets when we get new equipment providing possible ways to improve.
Phoenix.Iocus
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2025-01-26 15:48:46
I opened 93 old cases and got a single +1. I feel entitled to monetary compensation. Which tarutaru legal firm thinks it's my money and I want it now?
Also I notice most people are attracted to meva and pretend mdb doesn't exist. Or at least that's my perception. I personally like looking at meva/mdb/INT all at the same time for MDT sets. That being said, Null Shawl is just amazing and I try to fit it in as many engaged or idle sets as possible.
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By Dodik 2025-01-26 19:25:48
Null Belt would always be used with Warder's Charm for any job, including Rune Fencer, as this nets the most MEVA and some extra MBD without adding Light/Dark elemental resistances.
Run can wear engraved belt, and that has 20 elemental resistance and 30 for dark/light. Elemental resistance works like meva too.
Engraved belt + null shawl is more combined meva+ele resistance than null belt + warder's for the jobs that can wear engraved belt.
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Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-01-26 19:37:03
Null Belt would always be used with Warder's Charm for any job, including Rune Fencer, as this nets the most MEVA and some extra MBD without adding Light/Dark elemental resistances.
Run can wear engraved belt, and that has 20 elemental resistance and 30 for dark/light. Elemental resistance works like meva too.
Engraved belt + null shawl is more combined meva+ele resistance than null belt + warder's for the jobs that can wear engraved belt.
RUN also has empy feet which are insanely strong and already come with all resistance built in.
RUN also has runes which are undispellable and include resistance against whatever element you want.
I never even consider putting resistance in my RUN idle set unless it outweighs the meva equivalent.
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By Dodik 2025-01-26 19:42:34
When you do need elemental resistance, you should go with the highest piece. That's engraved, nor warder.
More ele resistance is better than less ele resistance, regardless how much of it you have already. Unlike straight meva, for example, ele resistance also adds mdb.
By Nariont 2025-01-26 19:50:07
ele resistance also adds mdb.
Unless im mistaken its just 1:1 meva apart from that whole final resistance tier for magical dmg of that element
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2025-01-26 20:09:09
It's solace that adds mdb to the resist only
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