Christians: We Arent Trying To Condemn Anyone

You're picking and choosing here. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because the sins were in excess. What were the sins you ask? I'm sure you know where this is going.

The bible has passages that say one thing and then a passage that says another. Why do you think people biblically justify acts of cruelty and discrimination against homosexuals? God unleashed his wrath and he's the divine image of all powerful good - why wouldn't I want to be more like him? There are plenty of passages that view homosexuality as a perversion of nature and thus the violence springs forth in men fueled by biblical passages. We've seen this happen before with the last great US shitstorm - slavery.

You cannot call someone who does these things as acting outside the bounds of Christianity because they're doing exactly what the text instructs and omitting the parts that speaking against passing judgement.


The biblical text says otherwise.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


I don't believe that all theists attack people and I'm willing to be allies of people willing to have their beliefs and keep it out of the public sphere like government, school and our legal system but trying to declare that violent Christians are somehow not in line with the Bible is just wrong.

This is the same issue that currently plagues Islamic teaching as you're going to have people that interpret the hardline teachings and commit atrocities and you're going to have moderate people who realize we're in the 21st century and we need to get along with eachother.

One person doesn't make up all of Cranston. It's a pretty large city, with two high schools. West is considered the privileged side, but it really isn't as far as the school is concerned. It houses the Career and Technical center and such it has students from many different cities in it.

Of all those people, almost none of them are truly bothered one way or the other. Psycotic up there wants you to think they are, but the truth is, very few students have said anything, let alone given her a hard time. Most of the online abuse is not from students or citizens of Cranston.

Jesus isn't Yahweh's human incarnation?

I'm gonna start calling you Ignoramus, if you're gonna keep calling me that. That okay, Ignoramus?

Look up their facebook profiles. I dare you, I double dog dare you.

I am so happy you can do what is typical of a paranoid lunatic and point out 4-5 cases in a school of over 1500.

You realize Sodom and Gomorrah is in the Old Testament, right? Atheists should really try to understand why there is an Old and New Testament.

I am so happy you can do what is typical of a paranoid lunatic and point out 4-5 cases in a school of over 1500.

Casting aside the libel of a girl in school from their elected officials...

Let's say you're right about the posts not being from anyone in Cranston. Therefore that justifies all those comments?

Ignoramus over here wants you to think that the Old Testament doesn't apply, despite Jesus stating that it does.

Ignoramus also does not understand that many vocal atheists know a lot more about the bible than most theists. That's backed up by the Gallup polls, I think. I remember it was a very thorough study.

I am not arguing for justification of the comments. I am defending the good people of my home city, most of whom are not these religious bigots, threatening to beat up a high school girl that Xueye wants you to think they are. I am arguing that the media and Xueye are sensationalizing the entire thing and that most of the community is perfectly fine with the decision.

Congratulations, some people make evil comments. If it wasn't about the prayer it would be about what she wore to the Winter Ball and who she dated and OMG she blew that guy on the balcony, yadda, yadda. It's high school.

You realize Sodom and Gomorrah is in the Old Testament, right? Atheists should really try to understand why there is an Old and New Testament.

I am not going to be bothered to explain it here again when no one is going to listen.

Not all atheists and homosexuals are militant or lash out at religious people, but just like our bad apples that dominate your opinions, the news and outlook of most atheists, the same is done because of your bad apples.

Even if you attempt to compartmentalize the OT and NT the 'God' that rules over all is the same in both tomes. He never changes so the God in the OT is the same in the NT with some updates since Jesus' sacrifice for the sins of man.

You cannot wash away the OT because you disagree with parts of it.
This is classic picking and choosing that comes from realizing that parts of the OT prescribe things that many have a hard time swallowing.

Jesus stated the laws still apply. Not the punishments. If laws and punishments were the same thing we wouldn't have two words for them.

laws dictate what the punishments are too, mr. doesn't know words...

You realize Sodom and Gomorrah is in the Old Testament, right? Atheists should really try to understand why there is an Old and New Testament.

I am not going to be bothered to explain it here again when no one is going to listen.

Not all atheists and homosexuals are militant or lash out at religious people, but just like our bad apples that dominate your opinions, the news and outlook of most atheists, the same is done because of your bad apples.

I miss these threads...

You realize the OT instructs individuals on how to buy and sell slaves right? Even if I take your word for it that Jesus eliminated the punishments, the very idea these laws/punishments were at one time divinely mandated is disturbing to say the least.

Me too. I know it's 2 am and I'm going to pay for this tomorrow but yeah.

So you're justifying perpetuating unjust generalizations on the fact that you are also generalized/stereotyped? I mean I kinda jumped in this midway, so I could very well be wrong, but as someone just joining, I'm kinda getting that vibe..

Also, religious people tend to view the Bible as fluid.. I've gotten into plenty of arguments with Christians over the years (I was even a Christian at one point, in fact, it's the reason I no longer am) They pick out bits and pieces to fit their current argument or story, and they transition freely from being 'actual events' to 'metaphorical' at will.. This is the reason I really stopped trying to argue with them. It's nearly impossible to pin them in a corner so to speak.. One minute they will justify their argument with a passage, when the only way it makes sense, is if it were meant to be literal, and then when you push them further, all the sudden, that passage is no longer literal, it's metaphorical.. That back tracking usually starts with lines such as "No you misunderstood what I meant was.." or "Well the Bible tells us XXX but..."

Christians need to pick something for once.. You can't claim a passage is literal, then turn around say it's metaphorical just because your entire argument falls to ***.

The same is true with old vs new.. It fluidly flows from being relevant to irrelevant.. Pick one.. Either Jesus' death rendered the old testament obsolete, or what's written in it is still relevant and therefore, part of your belief. Start sacrificing goats and owning slaves or cut your Bible in half and throw the old away.

It's worth it, we haven't had action like this in awhile.

This is a world of grey and not one of black and white and therefore nothing has to be 100% left or right. Jesus tells us the laws are still relevant. That is ALL he tells us.

No one is washing away the OT. The word testament, in the Bible, is used in the same context as covenant. Therefore the OT is no longer the bounding covenant between God and His people. It was written for the Israelites and adapted for the gentiles of that time. The punishments ordered out by God was because there was no forgiveness for sin at the time, only the blood of his son could forgive all our sins and not the blood of animals that was offered during those times. Therefore the atrocities you allude to were God's actual judgement.

In the NT, the only thing Jesus says is that we must follow the same laws. For this example, homosexuality, is still not allowed. He never once instructs us to carry out the sentence of that crime, but he does on multiple occasions let us know that only God may make those judgments.