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Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-20 23:32:31
The *** game are you playing? GTFO, fashion disaster. oh hell no
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-05-20 23:40:38
Only way to solve this is by breast exam
Fenrir.Jinjo
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-05-20 23:47:31
yes they do. gurl ur a 14 on the pH scale cuz ur a basic ***.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-05-21 13:13:36
What happened to the chicken, I was inc with a Ricky Bobby pic
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-05-21 13:21:33
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-21 13:34:31
None of that has to do with Resolution, it's a page about ratio differences, and a changelog for those. The WS calculator on the left specifies nothing about specific weaponskill attack penalties.
What exactly are you looking at?
Edit: found the only page regarding weaponskills, it doesn't seem to have any information regarding attack bonuses or penalties. Gobli itself doesn't have that information listed either. Only attack penalty information that I can find is mine from BG.
レゾルーション 攻撃力約-?%→緩和
edit2: nvm found what you were looking at.
レゾルーション 0.89? 攻-11%
Doesn't look like they have that value solidified. 3% difference in attack penalty is fairly large, I'll look over my data and do a few more tests when I have time.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-05-21 13:56:01
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-21 14:11:37
What they have for requiescat is at least 2% too high for 100TP. The 15% at 200TP is horribly off too, as it is no more than 10%.
Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-21 14:22:38
Valefor.Prothescar said: »What they have for requiescat is at least 2% too high for 100TP. The 15% at 200TP is horribly off too, as it is no more than 7%, and I'd go so far as to say no more than 5%.
Could you maybe be testing with moonshade on?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-21 14:24:45
Do you take me for a fool? No. 22% is also a bizarre number, it would more likely be 21.875 if it were around there.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-21 14:30:18
I didn't mean that to be offensive, it's just one of those things that can be easily looked over and is always worth checking, jeez. :P
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-21 14:32:12
Anyway, as shaky as they are on the ratios, I'm not sure how much I'd trust the information in the first place.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-21 14:32:26
Pretty big mistake though @@ one of the first things I would check, particularly on a WS where the values aren't concrete.
In any case those attack penalties seem high, and the "?" next to some of them denote to me some degree uncertainty; basing something off of them too readily doesn't seem like a good idea.
Adding to that, this website is new to me, I am finding it hard to use it as a credible resource atm. The numbers that they have look like hastily thrown together approximations for which to do somewhat reliable maths, nothing more. A difference in 3% +/- attack penalty is pretty huge.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-21 14:36:55
Would it be possible that attack penalties on WS apply only to base attack, and not to other sources, or something, and/or cap?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-21 14:37:45
Possible but I personally don't find that likely. Base * + Multipliers * Penalty * Food seems the most secure, but I have no reasonable evidence to support it. An incorrect order wouldn't make much difference in any case, just rounding errors.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-21 14:38:07
Valefor.Prothescar said: »A difference in 3% +/- attack penalty is pretty huge.
As is a 0.22 ftp on a transferring WS.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-21 14:40:09
I hadn't noticed that bit
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-21 14:43:15
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-21 14:53:19
Their reference for Requiescat recognizes 1.0 as the fTP for Requiescat and correctly identifies the ftp transfer property.
That said, I struggle with the attack testing portion:
Quote: 攻防比補正チェック
TP100(属性装備無し)ログデータから、5ヒットのダメージのみ抽出
最大629 最小459
最大と最小の値より、近似攻防関数の逆算で攻防比範囲を計算
攻防比範囲 1.110~0.840 (256分率) 284/256~215/256
元攻防比 460/360 ≒ 1.278 (327/256)
攻に補正を加えるとして、補正係数nの範囲を計算
460*n/360 = 284/256~215/256
n = 0.8683~0.6573 ( 223/256~169/256 )
今計算におけるTP100での攻補正は、攻-13%~-24%に相当。
《計算値と比較》
5ヒットダメ
TP100実測.__________ _ 629~459 平均 524
攻-22.2%(-57/256) _ 720~380 平均 524 (命中95%)
補正なし______________ _ 910~545 平均 637 (命中95%)
TP100:攻-22%
TP200:攻-15%
TP300:補正なし
方法やサンプル数的にあんまりアテになりませんが、大雑把にこんな感じと推測。
後日、短剣、片手斧、両手剣あたり順次ノックしてみます。
Although they do list a 13-24% range on the penalty for 100TP.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-21 15:04:31
That doesn't look very good @@ They're using the full 5 hits first off... attack penalty would be almost impossibly difficult to solidify using all five of the hits. I'm impressed that they got as close as they did.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-21 15:15:00
Forgive my lack of knowledge of WS attack penalty testing ... but how exactly do you test a single hit?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-05-21 15:17:26
Was kind of thinking, with an OaT Gsword how does Atheling VS Rancorous Mantle play out for TP?
/WAR and /SAM here once I get going on Nyzul this wednesday. (Still need the mala..)
/DRG
Bale Earring-> Wyvern Earring
Goading Belt-> Windbuffet?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-21 15:22:36
Forgive my lack of knowledge of WS attack penalty testing ... but how exactly do you test a single hit?
You weaponskill at 5% or less.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-21 15:24:48
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Forgive my lack of knowledge of WS attack penalty testing ... but how exactly do you test a single hit?
You weaponskill at 5% or less.
Ew, screw that.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2012-05-21 15:29:30
Was kind of thinking, with an OaT Gsword how does Atheling VS Rancorous Mantle play out for TP?
/WAR and /SAM here once I get going on Nyzul this wednesday. (Still need the mala..)
/DRG
Bale Earring-> Wyvern Earring
Goading Belt-> Windbuffet? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't quad/triple/double attack more valuable if you're NOT using an OaT weapon? :S
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-05-21 15:31:03
Was kind of thinking, with an OaT Gsword how does Atheling VS Rancorous Mantle play out for TP?
/WAR and /SAM here once I get going on Nyzul this wednesday. (Still need the mala..)
/DRG
Bale Earring-> Wyvern Earring
Goading Belt-> Windbuffet? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't quad/triple/double attack more valuable if you're NOT using an OaT weapon? :S
Oat would overwrite TA/QA?
I always thought it was the other way around.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2012-05-21 15:32:15
Well, iirc, OaT and 2-4 can't proc in a quad/trip/double attack unless it's a Justice weapon. :S
I'm probably wrong and if so, I'd like to be corrected. :x
Simple question... What are the top GS for resolution out of the magian trials line? I have calad for myself but I am looking for something that will help the wife out. I don't really want to do another calad (unless I really need to) and I would do a ragnarok for myself before I would waste one on her. (Fuck I am a dick!)
Also, of you that have played with it.. What do your /ws builds look like?
Some of the GS I was considering....
Fulgurante:
DMG:56 Delay 480
Dmg +48 Occ. Atk. Twice
Tenebreuse:
Dmg: 123 Delay 444
Str+11 Atk+26
Kauriraris:
/WS damage +10 or TP bonus option...
I'm not a GS drk by nature so I am asking before I really get into something I don't wanna fuck with later.
Thanks for any constructive input. ^^
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