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By Foldypaws 2011-12-28 02:05:50
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Lithe Boots beat Calmecac if we're talking AH options, and are way cheaper to boot (no pun intended.)
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By mortontony1 2011-12-28 16:03:32
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Foldypaws said: »
Lithe Boots beat Calmecac if we're talking AH options, and are way cheaper to boot (no pun intended.)

I was just doing that, stacking as much AGI as I could get in.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-28 16:10:41
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Still don't see how that's remotely helpful to anyone.
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-12-28 16:25:04
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Here's my prototype Extenterator set, I don't see many people using Loki's Kaftan probably because it's not a crit WS, but it does still have the most AGI of anything I own.



Because of inventory space issues I really haven't gone to get an AGI+7 ring / AGI mantle. Also been thinking of using soil/breeze belt instead of Anguinus. Probably going to try and get some Ambusher's Hose also.

I suppose now would be a great time to finish my AGI / Evasion dagger.

I have Schutzen Mittens to use for this WS, but I thought for a moment the high attack on the +2 hands would be more helpful. Probably not, I'll have to try it out.
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By mortontony1 2011-12-28 16:37:14
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I've been wondering about this knife for a while. Any good? Worth getting?
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2011-12-28 16:40:22
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As a general rule, Harpes are bad. Horrible delay kills them.
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By mortontony1 2011-12-28 16:44:31
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Well it has higher DPS than either of my current weapons. And would the AGI+8 and weight be noticeably beneficial?
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-12-28 16:50:46
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
As a general rule, Harpes are bad. Horrible delay kills them.

Well, once I get my AGI dagger to Lv99 I technically have no reason to use it anymore.
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By Sylph.Knala 2011-12-28 16:57:44
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
As a general rule, Harpes are bad. Horrible delay kills them.

probably a silly question but wouldn't the higher weapon rank count for something? 45 base damage breaks the next tier, sadly i ask because i don't fully get how weapon rank interfaces with fSTR and all that junk.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-28 17:56:06
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Increased wrank is only relevant if your fSTR is high enough that you'd see a base damage increase as a result. DNC uses very little STR gear in both TP and WS sets, so that's not a realistic expectation for you aside from maybe Abyssea content.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-28 18:02:43
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Bismarck.Eburo said: »
Here's my prototype Extenterator set, I don't see many people using Loki's Kaftan probably because it's not a crit WS, but it does still have the most AGI of anything I own.



Because of inventory space issues I really haven't gone to get an AGI+7 ring / AGI mantle. Also been thinking of using soil/breeze belt instead of Anguinus. Probably going to try and get some Ambusher's Hose also.

I suppose now would be a great time to finish my AGI / Evasion dagger.

I have Schutzen Mittens to use for this WS, but I thought for a moment the high attack on the +2 hands would be more helpful. Probably not, I'll have to try it out.
If you have an augmented Hecatomb Cap (+1) I could see that beating Bersail. Keep hands and back as they are, but Ambusher's are probably better. Similarly, STR dagger will be quite nice both for this WS and your TP damage. There's some decent rules-of-thumb for THF Extenterator gearing here.
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-12-28 18:19:33
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I do havea Heca +1 cap, but VIT +4 CHR +3 and double attack +3. What other augments should I try for?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-28 18:30:27
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Can get up to 10 attack on it along with the guaranteed DA augment on HQ synergizing.
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-12-28 18:49:00
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Oh nice! Sexy for evisceration too.
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-12-28 19:39:18
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Um, kinda yeah... but Ocelomeh would beat it.

Another thing that would technically beat it is the AMK Anwig Salade with Crit Damage +2% and WS DMG +2%.

It would have +4 Dex +4 AGI with those 2 augments. During SA and TA it's more than likely to win out I'd imagine.

I would assume only piece that can beat it effectively is Ocelomeh +1?
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-12-28 19:56:29
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Doesn't Sneak Attack only affect the first hit of the weapon skill though?
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-12-28 20:21:55
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Regardless it's a massive increase in damage. Bully -> Sneak Attack -> WS is a very common tactic for THF now.

Therefore practical and a utility at this point.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-12-28 20:57:09
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Increased wrank is only relevant if your fSTR is high enough that you'd see a base damage increase as a result. DNC uses very little STR gear in both TP and WS sets, so that's not a realistic expectation for you aside from maybe Abyssea content.
in our case we need 78 more str than our target's vit, so that is indeed challenging on dnc outside abyssea. it's one of the reasons why you merit str period.
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-12-28 22:03:21
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Ragnarok.Amador said: »
Regardless it's a massive increase in damage. Bully -> Sneak Attack -> WS is a very common tactic for THF now.

Therefore practical and a utility at this point.

True, was nearly doubling my Evisceration vs. Yaguarogui earlier.
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2011-12-28 22:37:03
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Bismarck.Eburo said: »
Doesn't Sneak Attack only affect the first hit of the weapon skill though?

Actually, SA (and TA) with WS also gives 100% accuracy to first two hits. If you're dualwielding, it will be the offhand as the second hit.
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By Sylph.Binckry 2011-12-28 22:55:07
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Quick question, would The augmented heca +1 be better than ocelomeh(sp) headpiece?
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-12-28 22:59:09
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I doubt it would really.

+12 STR, Nul Ocelomeh = +12 STR

So you'd be contending what?

Some DA, a little Dex.

If this is the value, then Akvan's headband would have some utility!

So in my opinion, no... Hct Cap +1 Perfect Augments, more than likely doesn't win.

I'd say only true contenders are Anwig, Ocelomeh, and Ocelomeh +1.

In order of pure win? Ocelomeh 3, Anwig 2, Ocelomeh +1 1.
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By Cerberus.Ddbone 2011-12-29 08:33:27
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This is my Exenterator set:



Anwig is DEX4 AGI4 ws dmg +2 crit dmg +2, reused from :Hi set. I see Genin earring would beat out aesir, so I'll probably make that adjustment.

I have anguinus belt as well which can be put in, but I thought gorget+belt combo wins? Now I read it might be crudelis?

Here is my Evisc set for refrence:



Outside hands down exen wins, inside depending on what buffs I have active, exen is either equal to or less (as expected) using GH RR Apoc.

Worth noting I use STR kila paired with phurba or twilight(I am rather new to DNC)
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By Bismarck.Phetty 2011-12-30 19:24:37
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Quick question stick with Houyi/Anguinus or go for elemental Gorget/Belt for Extenerator?
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By Ragnarok.Xenophire 2011-12-30 19:41:36
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Justiciar's > Houyi > Love Torque for neck. Waist is situational.

Also, why are you using Shadow Gorget for EV?
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-30 20:18:46
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does anyone know the BBcode stuff to change text color and/or make gigantic text, i want to add something extremely important to the first post
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By Ragnarok.Gunit 2011-12-30 20:23:26
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Ragnarok.Xenophire said: »
Justiciar's > Houyi > Love Torque for neck. Waist is situational.

Also, why are you using Shadow Gorget for EV?
Cause they are using Rancor mantle?

edit: nvm they are not.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-30 20:53:46
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Updated first post, lol.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-30 20:58:58
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
does anyone know the BBcode stuff to change text color and/or make gigantic text, i want to add something extremely important to the first post
Sorry, that's a secret :(
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