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Different NIN Builds
Ragnarok.Galiber
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By Ragnarok.Galiber 2011-12-02 12:08:07
Agasaya or Hope torque? Hmmm...
Outside when your not using Rancor, for the subtle blow.
Lol you even beat my edit xD
But what if subtle blow is already capped with Myoshu and stuff?
Thanks :)
Asura.Dtroyy
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By Asura.Dtroyy 2011-12-02 12:12:26
Agasaya or Hope torque? Hmmm...
Outside when your not using Rancor, for the subtle blow.
Lol you even beat my edit xD
But what if subtle blow is already capped with Myoshu and stuff?
Thanks :)
Use Hope if you're getting Auspice or using Myoshu, but seriously you should use Rancor D;
By KothoftheHammer 2011-12-02 14:15:52
28% haste
DW capped if Koga is 5%
Ragnarok.Nemesio
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-12-02 14:18:43
28% haste
DW capped if Koga is 5% Hope -> Rancor
Legs -> Byakko(augmented with Crit damage and STP)
If no good Byakko
Feet -> Usukane
Idk why you would even suggest using both pieces of Iga in those slots anymore.
By KothoftheHammer 2011-12-02 14:29:55
just examples, im not going to do hard math w/o knowing koga
By Praeter 2011-12-02 14:43:22
just examples, im not going to do hard math w/o knowing koga Koga has nothing to do with using both Iga pieces. Nemesio is correct.
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2011-12-02 14:58:13
This is the stuff I was using at Lv.90. I'm sure there are more upgrades to this by now, but I haven't played in over 6 months. The gear I used wasn't all top of the line, but followed the general cookiecutter ninja. Just throwing this out there.
TP:
Blade Hi:
Evasion:
Ninjutsu:
Add in some INT/mab where needed depending on type.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-02 17:18:53
Kannagi/Kikoku was mildly interesting a few weeks back when we found out relic attack works offhand on the test server, but I'm not sure anymore... especially given the limited supply of plates.
And where did this "DW capped" ***come from anyway? I keep seeing people mention it but I have never seen evidence suggesting DW caps at 50%.
By KothoftheHammer 2011-12-02 21:28:30
I dunno, i just "know" that
Suppa
Iga head+2
Body af1
Ninja traits
is cap.
and the iga earring is 1% DW and Suppa is 5%... and so on
I really care less about the super math.
Only thing not making me wear that is every, EVERY voidwatch is strait out AoE and 10% damage taken is not in the cards.
Whats 2nd best, Hope/Iga/Assyea or w/e that acc/att/SB+
Bahamut.Itze
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By Bahamut.Itze 2011-12-02 21:39:16
I dunno, i just "know" that
Suppa
Iga head+2
Body af1
Ninja traits
is cap.
and the iga earring is 1% DW and Suppa is 5%... and so on
I really care less about the super math.
Only thing not making me wear that is every, EVERY voidwatch is strait out AoE and 10% damage taken is not in the cards.
Whats 2nd best, Hope/Iga/Assyea or w/e that acc/att/SB+ I don't see why people complain about rancor, get a pdt or mdt set or throw on eva set so it swaps it out to torero
By KothoftheHammer 2011-12-02 21:50:55
Well it's part of a "melee build"
Some monsters have insta cast, aoe hits like giants or the harpies.
Things you can not prevent.
and inb4 "dont be in there"
It's almost always katana HQ, iono why for me.....
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-02 22:10:10
I dunno, i just "know" that
Suppa
Iga head+2
Body af1
Ninja traits
is cap. So you know nothing. Next!
Quote: Only thing not making me wear that is every, EVERY voidwatch is strait out AoE and 10% damage taken is not in the cards.
Whats 2nd best, Hope/Iga/Assyea or w/e that acc/att/SB+ They've got this nifty thing called macros now.
Bahamut.Serj
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-12-02 22:33:07
80% is delay reduction cap. Also, haste + dual wield isn't additive.
Bahamut.Mizuharu
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2011-12-03 14:39:56
Just a quick question. Would Mextli Harness be considered a decent replacement for Ninja Chainmail? At least til Koga Chainmail +2 is released. It's only 3% dual wield, but the acc/katana skill on it I figured would make up for that.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2011-12-03 15:10:07
If you're using the acc then of course.
I already know asking this is kinda silly but wanted to see if anyone(namely nightfyre) had solid mathy parts to this question.
If i wanted to fulltime Aliyat Chakram as a means to save 3 inventory slots and get that extra eva/hi mod how bad would i be hurting my DPS?
Again know it is kinda a silly question just been wondering it, thanks for any help however.
Badly enough to say you're doing it wrong.
Carbuncle.Asymptotic
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-12-03 15:16:42
What are you fighting where you're having accuracy troubles, lol?
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By Asura.Mekaider 2011-12-03 18:45:01
Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: »Ninjutsu:
Add in some INT/mab where needed depending on type.
AF2(+1) head is also worth considering for elemental ninjutsu. AF1 is good for debuffs and such
Bismarck.Rinomaru
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By Bismarck.Rinomaru 2011-12-08 20:43:10
Did Koga body +2 get tested enough to figure out the DW%?
Ragnarok.Shred
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By Ragnarok.Shred 2011-12-09 04:24:42
Dual Wield doesn't cap at 50%
However, it does count towards the cap of delay reduction, which means if you're getting double marches and haste, you can swap out some haste and/or dual wield equipment and maintain capped delay reduction. (most notably AF+1 body > AF3+2 body) along with one or two other things like dusk+1 > bandos.
The exact value of delay reduction escapes my memory, and I'm at work so don't have access to all my bookmarks. I do know for certain that you need at least 1 march to push you over the cap. 99% of the time I don't have a brd with me, so 99% of the time I use my full haste/dw build.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/72975
(I forget how to post sets on this forum)
(Koga+1 at night)
If you don't have Usukane feet, I'd use Byakkos with STP augment. Usukane feet shave 2 hits off 0-100TP for me, so Byakkos with STP should save you at least 1 hit.
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By Xorn 2011-12-09 22:37:49
Byakko's for tp instead of Iga pants +2?
Ragnarok.Shred
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By Ragnarok.Shred 2011-12-11 07:08:54
with crit+ dmg and/or stp on them, they're going to add more damage than 2% haste if you're sitting on 28% overall.
26% haste is the absolute cap for equipment haste, so using more is completely pointless.
This is assuming head +2, 4% gloves (koga/dusk+1), twilight belt, kyahan +2 in other slots.
Augmented Byakkos are alot more accessible for some people than Usukane feet.
Edit: I should clarify, 25% is the absolute cap, but you need 26% in equipment haste to hit the 25% hard cap because of the way haste is rounded. (256/1024 is the actual cap, but 25% equipment only gives 250/1024)
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Attack_speed
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Fenrir.Krazyrs
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2011-12-11 18:23:24
Byakko's for tp instead of Iga pants +2? i do
haste5%/dex+15/crit+4%/stp+3 is nice
havent decided on my neck yet, been playing wih locking rancor in for aftermath vs full timing it and using hope torque with no aftermath
Bismarck.Rinomaru
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By Bismarck.Rinomaru 2011-12-11 18:25:32
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2011-12-11 18:43:38
how many tonberrys do you have to kill to cap hate? ballpark number as I'm sure it's not exact
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-12-11 18:46:16
I read it was 200 somewhere. Take it with a grain of salt.
I believe it's to the point where the "hate cleanser" charges you 6k.
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2011-12-11 18:49:46
Dtroyy also told me another way to figure out how to tell hate cap. I just feel stupid for not thinking of it sooner. Take a 1000 needles. It does 1100 needles lol capped.
By Xorn 2011-12-11 19:06:27
@Shred:
Thanks for sharing that. It didn't even occur to me to use Dusk +1 and augmented Byakko's.
Pretty much looking for some NIN builds that I can set up. I'll post what I'm currently using and hopefully some more expert players could give me a hand with anything that should be added/switched. I'm currently working on a Kaanagi also, so I'll need a fairly good Blade: Hi set.
NIN TP:
NIN EVA:
(Note: I'm working on a T3 so I can obtain Ocelot Trousers)
I'm going to add a few more in a bit, just working out what I do actually use.
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