HNM competition was honestly the only thing that made this game awesome. Yes, as that one guy stated earlier it was basically akin to a coin toss... at least until sandworm/DI were released. But lets be honest, there was a lot more to it.
Back in the day, it required consistent dedication to camp windows, more notably on longer duration windows like Khim, Cerb, Tiamat, and KV. Most of those guys usually required the skill of a good hold team, since 9 times out of 10 the rest of your linkshell was on-call instead of camping with you, unless the window was near over. The battles themselves also helped create and enforce battle strategies that, while no longer relevant, added a certain level of skill and planning on both an individual and group level. There is none of that anymore.
But lets face it... most people (myself included) simply loved HNM because of the controversy. It's these rare monsters that few people get to fight, and even fewer get rewarded to do so... but if you were one of the few, you were elite on that day. It gave you bragging rights, started a lot of wars between groups... even caused battles for claim, called-for-help mobs, and a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE amount of trash talk through all available mediums. Once again, there's nothing like that anymore.
Personally, I think when they removed all this from the game is what made it no longer exciting.
I want the days of Spike Flailing the Aery to return. I want to see groups fail to kite/kill KV properly again. I want to see Meteor destroy a hundred people in the Dominion again. I want to see Fulm or Gates totally wreck full alliances again, have the mob go orange, and spend ten minutes watching some *** run around 'til he gets munched on and the thing goes yellow. I want to see the /shouts come through after pulling Xolotl into someone's Tiamat fight. But more than anything, I want the few minutes we had to watch an unclaimed HNM sit while our linkshells all race toward it. Nothing beats the anticipation of which group will get there first with the most epic claim.
When the game is like that again, I'll reactivate my account lol
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[Dev] Reducing Spawn Timer for all HNM's
Siren.Soverance said: » HNM competition was honestly the only thing that made this game awesome. Yes, as that one guy stated earlier it was basically akin to a coin toss... at least until sandworm/DI were released. But lets be honest, there was a lot more to it. Back in the day, it required consistent dedication to camp windows, more notably on longer duration windows like Khim, Cerb, Tiamat, and KV. Most of those guys usually required the skill of a good hold team, since 9 times out of 10 the rest of your linkshell was on-call instead of camping with you, unless the window was near over. The battles themselves also helped create and enforce battle strategies that, while no longer relevant, added a certain level of skill and planning on both an individual and group level. There is none of that anymore. But lets face it... most people (myself included) simply loved HNM because of the controversy. It's these rare monsters that few people get to fight, and even fewer get rewarded to do so... but if you were one of the few, you were elite on that day. It gave you bragging rights, started a lot of wars between groups... even caused battles for claim, called-for-help mobs, and a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE amount of trash talk through all available mediums. Once again, there's nothing like that anymore. Personally, I think when they removed all this from the game is what made it no longer exciting. I want the days of Spike Flailing the Aery to return. I want to see groups fail to kite/kill KV properly again. I want to see Meteor destroy a hundred people in the Dominion again. I want to see Fulm or Gates totally wreck full alliances again, have the mob go orange, and spend ten minutes watching some *** run around 'til he gets munched on and the thing goes yellow. I want to see the /shouts come through after pulling Xolotl into someone's Tiamat fight. But more than anything, I want the few minutes we had to watch an unclaimed HNM sit while our linkshells all race toward it. Nothing beats the anticipation of which group will get there first with the most epic claim. When the game is like that again, I'll reactivate my account lol QFT Since the HNMs in question have no HQ versions, there's actually a lot less to *** about, though I suppose it'll be a bummer to actually need to go farm a popset for some of those pointless, spur-of-the-moment NMs. For a good while, killing Hydra and Khimaira were fun for dicking around.
Maybe after SE notices that no one is popping stuff like Vrtra, they'll consider retconning HNM drops. Valefor.Prothescar said: » Because he can't use it. Only the assault versions, ZNM and regular HNM have the ability. Believe so yes, unfortunately the Nyzul version is so random.
Siren.Soverance said: I want the days of Spike Flailing the Aery to return. I want to see groups fail to kite/kill KV properly again. I want to see Meteor destroy a hundred people in the Dominion again. I want to see Fulm or Gates totally wreck full alliances again, have the mob go orange, and spend ten minutes watching some *** run around 'til he gets munched on and the thing goes yellow. I want to see the /shouts come through after pulling Xolotl into someone's Tiamat fight. But more than anything, I want the few minutes we had to watch an unclaimed HNM sit while our linkshells all race toward it. Nothing beats the anticipation of which group will get there first with the most epic claim. Don't forget trolling the crybaby noobs who didn't claim.
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Guys should camp city dyna zones and dia mobs avatars as they have hate on different parties. Not as good as Aery drama but, it gets the job done for when you have gimps decide to camp on you!
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Avatars can be one-shotted with ease tho.
Shiva.Viciousss said: » Avatars can be one-shotted with ease tho. But they don't know that! Siren.Soverance said: » HNM competition was honestly the only thing that made this game awesome. Yes, as that one guy stated earlier it was basically akin to a coin toss... at least until sandworm/DI were released. But lets be honest, there was a lot more to it. Back in the day, it required consistent dedication to camp windows, more notably on longer duration windows like Khim, Cerb, Tiamat, and KV. Most of those guys usually required the skill of a good hold team, since 9 times out of 10 the rest of your linkshell was on-call instead of camping with you, unless the window was near over. The battles themselves also helped create and enforce battle strategies that, while no longer relevant, added a certain level of skill and planning on both an individual and group level. There is none of that anymore. But lets face it... most people (myself included) simply loved HNM because of the controversy. It's these rare monsters that few people get to fight, and even fewer get rewarded to do so... but if you were one of the few, you were elite on that day. It gave you bragging rights, started a lot of wars between groups... even caused battles for claim, called-for-help mobs, and a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE amount of trash talk through all available mediums. Once again, there's nothing like that anymore. Personally, I think when they removed all this from the game is what made it no longer exciting. I want the days of Spike Flailing the Aery to return. I want to see groups fail to kite/kill KV properly again. I want to see Meteor destroy a hundred people in the Dominion again. I want to see Fulm or Gates totally wreck full alliances again, have the mob go orange, and spend ten minutes watching some *** run around 'til he gets munched on and the thing goes yellow. I want to see the /shouts come through after pulling Xolotl into someone's Tiamat fight. But more than anything, I want the few minutes we had to watch an unclaimed HNM sit while our linkshells all race toward it. Nothing beats the anticipation of which group will get there first with the most epic claim. When the game is like that again, I'll reactivate my account lol This is just wrong. HNMs did not require any skill whatsoever... Fafnir was a joke, nidhogg was actually easier than Fafnir imo (due to him not using tp moves during his lol2hour buff), aspi no comment even needed, KB can you run in circles? I'll say that if it was your first time fighting them then fine, they might seem hard, But after doing them over and over and over and over and over... how can you still say they require any sort of strategy? ToAU HNMs, who cares, other than those PLDs who thought hauteclaire was actually useful. I will agree that drama can be fun, but not every day unless you're some sort of masochist. Edit: I apologize. I misinterpreted a lot of your post, mainly where you say there was a lot more to it. Basically, my point is that there is nothing more to it. I was trying to get that across by pointing out the effortlessness of strategy. If there's no strategy required, then what else is there besides standing around clicking buttons (or having a bot do them for you). So'k guys, You know what i miss? RMT, Man they made everything so much better. Competing for Mobs against RMT, them Price fixing added depth to the game.
I miss when RMT Were here, They added so much challenge. [+] :3
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Let's be honest- camping an HNM for 6 hours only to get out-claimed was the only thing that made this game awesome. Honestly, what's better than waking up way too early, then spending several hours or even all day with 11-17 other players you don't like, knowing you won't even get to lot on the 4th best drop, even if it pops, if your ally claims it, if your ally kills it, and if it drops?
For players that use FFXI as an e-dating service, sure it might be fun. But I want to play the game.
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I think this is a great idea. I do understand where some of you are coming from, most of you have had HNM ls's in the past and the game was pretty much your life. And while I applaud your dedication, I don't think that kind of life is for most of the people that play this game. I'm sure they will bring out new HNM content that will still allow old school HNM ls members to compare e-penis. But for those of us who have to cram our FFXI time into our busy rl schedules. This is a good move.
Bismarck.Helel said: » KB can you run in circles? Now that was a fun fight when you didn't have many people, like a party or less. I wish they made KB draw everyone in and make him stronger, now that would be worth going back to. Wanted that kind of KB for years and SE just didn't do it. Don't think it would be over powered, in fact when you have 2-3 alliances camping it would be hilarious if everyone got drawn in and immediately stunned then meteor! What fun that would be... Siren.Soverance said: » HNM competition was honestly the only thing that made this game awesome. Bots Vs Bots. Must have been awesome.. Siren.Soverance said: » Back in the day, it required consistent dedication to camp windows, more notably on longer duration windows like Khim, Cerb, Tiamat, and KV. Talk about giving up sleep and wasting time. LOL Siren.Soverance said: » Most of those guys usually required the skill of a good hold team, since 9 times out of 10 the rest of your linkshell was on-call instead of camping with you, unless the window was near over. The battles themselves also helped create and enforce battle strategies that, while no longer relevant, added a certain level of skill and planning on both an individual and group level. There is none of that anymore. Because all the suddenly people woke up and realize wasn't worth it, so they all decide to quit and switch to WOW. Skills? On what, sitting on a couch for 3 days straight looking at the screen until eventually a HNM spawns and a bot claims it? Siren.Soverance said: » But lets face it... most people (myself included) simply loved HNM because of the controversy. It's these rare monsters that few people get to fight, and even fewer get rewarded to do so... but if you were one of the few, you were elite on that day. It gave you bragging rights, started a lot of wars between groups... even caused battles for claim, called-for-help mobs, and a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE amount of trash talk through all available mediums. Once again, there's nothing like that anymore. This sound like nerds dealing with their emotions like girls, when lost a claim and all the above reason of this quote.. Siren.Soverance said: » Personally, I think when they removed all this from the game is what made it no longer exciting. Would this mean people will actually return to reality and not take this game to serious? I wonder how many people gave up going out to clubs, party's, lose their job and get dumb by girlfriend.. Hated or love it. I don't think anything of it. LOL
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idk you just sound like your making excuses for not claiming.
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id rather have everything in the game force popped than deal with whatever they are gonna make us red proc next lol whatever happened to just killing ***
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Shikigami Weapon and Defoliate Leshy. That's a lowercase L, not an uppercase I.
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The amount of rose tinted nostalgia in here is crazy.
HNM was always the scumhole of the XI experience - not just from a time perspective (because waiting three days for a mob to pop is apparently fun? I'd rather fight that ***when I feel like it, kthx) but also due to the petty rivalries that arose because of it. I will never miss the sheer amount of condescention and drama that came as a result of camping any single king, and the further the game pulls away from that crap, the better. If anyone misses competition, go do something like PvP and stop using a freaking cointoss/botwar as a means of declaring your LS is better than another. FFXI is not the game for you now and at this stage most would appreciate if you didn't come back. In terms of this announcement, they're only about 2 years late.
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Just because a HNMLS can't monopolize a claim with bots or what not, doesn't make the new changes stupid. Sorry because people like me who can't claim a HNM over a bot aren't able to fight Fafnir/Nidhogg ever in their lifetime.
Sound like a bunch of elitist/rich people that can't have their way so in their opinion all the new stuff is stupid. Rather fight the damn mob and not worry about claim than have to deal with drama and bots. I just want to play the damn game. But I guess people's idea of fun is different from other perspectives. I see the old system as a huge time sink and favoritism towards elitist/no lifers. Sorry but the game of "Epenis" HNM drama *** is long gone and deserves to be dead. I hope it never returns.
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For all those who crave the excitement and competition of HNMs once again, I present to you the Super Fun Happy Troll Guide to HNMing in the new FFXI!
> Choose a piece of gear you really want from a poppable mob. At a completely random time, pop the NM by yourself and hold it, all the while pleading for your LS to come out and help. Bonus points for kicking anyone pretending to be afk! > Once an NM is popped and killed, afk for 25 minutes to faithfully recreate that wonderous experience of not playing the game! > Be sure to kiss your leader's rump at every given opportunity. Being a girl helps here imnensely! You sure as hell aren't getting squat unless you're in his/her > At a mob's ??? Spawn point, wait for another group to show up, then fire up your bots! Should the group beat you to the pop, proceed to spam insults in /say! Once again, bonus points for kicking the guy afk during the 1 minute repop window! > If a poppable mob doesn't cut it, try Gukumatz, Heqet or Amun for that truly authentic world spawn experience! > Steal anything that turns yellow and ensure you have several witty "umad???" retorts macroed ready and waiting! Lord only knows you can't have anyone else killing your mobs and getting your loot, right? There you go guys, all the fun of HNM with none of the bull! You can all thank me later /
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^ umad
Asura.Dtroyy said: » ^ umad A fast learner I see! I like the cut of your jib!
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...at least add new *** HNM's not that *** VW.
Bot or no bot, HNM was the best thing that happen to me in the game. Competition was fun the fights were a bit intense at 75. VW you get all these meds and procs and ***...
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Shiva.Haptic said: » ...at least add new *** HNM's not that *** VW. Bot or no bot, HNM was the best thing that happen to me in the game. Competition was fun the fights were a bit intense at 75. VW you get all these meds and procs and ***... You mean you don't like proccing over and over and over again, only for the item you want to go to someone who can't use or a mule? ;d Voidwatch is awful, but it doesn't redeem HNM at all.
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