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[Dev] SCH - Regarding Cure V and Regen
Server: Lakshmi
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-11-21 17:58:27
Welp, I clearly don't have the credentials to participate in this discussion. clearly
By Brolli 2011-11-21 18:01:04
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »-Implying that sch is only good for healing-
it's kinda weird how ppl camp threads/makes personal opinions about about something that they don't event have it, idk about others servers but sch is mainly recruited on most shells/pts and events for DD not for healing/enhancing purposes, that was never implied, you need to stop white-knighting emanuelle since this is obviously where it stems from (does he even still play anymore?) did you get your obis? my posts have nothing to do with emanuelle. idk what are you talking about i'm sch too, emanuelle is taking a break form the game and now playing starcraft/guildwars2 on jan, would be nice that you contribute to something than starting a flame or troll first off, yes i have all of the obi's and im more than willing to show them off to you, so take that sock and shove it in your mouth.
2nd of all since you apparently read all of the topic, did you atleast look at the post above the one i directed at you? cause im obviously contributing where as all i see is whiteknight from you.
3rd, dont even get me started on you and sch. that's good, now you can be a lil more qualified to make opinions about sch (i guess), that excuse of not having inventory space was getting rly old when was the last time i even commented on obi's? and seriously you compared me to that piece of ***emanualle who doesnt even have half the gear i do on sch. Your half baked insults about old ***are getting pathetic. Unless you can do something other than bragging about how seriously "amazing" scholar is in today's end game without ***to back it up, i suggest you shut the *** up lol. why so mad? emanuelle is one of the best sch on the server most people from our server can confirm this and serious old ppl form snd and other shells, you hardly have the right gear for scholar , you just got obis / hardly the proper subjobs for you toon, do you still nuke full time on aug abyssea head? you just jelly, lol i'm done with you.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-11-21 18:01:13
I remember back when I had inventory space on an active job 75+... Oh wait, nope, I was 74 the last time that happened.
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Fenrir.Minjo
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2011-11-21 18:02:57
emanuelle is one of the best sch on the server most people from our server can confirm this
Say it with me now,
lol
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-11-21 18:05:00
He founded the principle of using Atma of Allure to add hateless damage. No better man could ever exist.
*sniff*
Also you said "toon" and "jelly" in the same what I loosely call a paragraph, invalid.
Server: Lakshmi
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-11-21 18:08:43
let me break this down
no actually im laughing pretty hard right now
Quote: emanuelle is one of the best sch on the server most people from our server can confirm this and serious old ppl form snd and other shells rather i find more people who would laugh about him than praise him
Quote: you hardly have the right gear for scholar , you just got obis / hardly the proper subjobs for you toon right gear? i mean seriously did you just say that and praise emanuelle in the same post? have you actually seen his gear?
Quote: do you still nuke full time on aug abyssea head? lol ah right, this was all word of mouth from emanuelle himself, let me correct this for you, i nuke in abyssea augmented hat because at the time the only hat that was better than it was onieros head, and of course i use +2 af3 for when i have ebuilliance up.
question for you though, were you nuking full time with af3+2 head? do you even have af3+2?
do yourself a favor though seriously, stop posting, stop putting comments on my page, and stop sending me PMs, actually better yet take a note from emanuelle: quit.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-11-21 18:10:05
Fenrir.Minjo
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2011-11-21 18:12:53
Not to feed this tangent, but notoriety in this game is a funny thing. The greater the number of people that think you're a good player, the more likely it becomes that you're actually not very good. The upper echelon of the playerbase is fairly segregated from the 90% of the playerbase that's pants-on-head-HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. If anything, the more the rest of the server hates you, the more likely you are to be a great player.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-11-21 18:16:20
Not to feed this tangent, but notoriety in this game is a funny thing. The greater the number of people that think you're a good player, the more likely it becomes that you're actually not very good. The upper echelon of the playerbase is fairly segregated from the 90% of the playerbase that's pants-on-head-HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. If anything, the more the rest of the server hates you, the more likely you are to be a great player. that's as about as true as it gets
Fenrir.Jinjo
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2011-11-21 18:18:27
If anything, the more the rest of the server hates you, the more likely you are to be a great player.
This is only true because it's always the loud, clueless ones who actually speak out with an attempted guise of intellectual superiority.
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-11-21 18:20:41
I hate both Minjo and Jinjo.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-11-21 18:27:46
Jinjos are *** baller. It's not their fault Gruntilda destroyed everything they know and made their king into a zombie, those Jiggies were all they had left
Minjos are right *** though, *** those guys. I thought I was getting a jiggy but all I got was tazed
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-11-21 18:27:54
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »If anything, the more the rest of the server hates you, the more likely you are to be a great player. I hope to every deity imaginable that kuro does not see this post It's ok, he thinks everyone loves him.
Fenrir.Minjo
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2011-11-21 18:28:18
I hate both Minjo and Jinjo.
Only because I won't my put my trial NMs on hold to play your reindeer games.
'-l'
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Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-11-21 18:33:29
so i went to go do buffalo dominion ops and this went from cure5/regen5 > vw jobs > emanuelle being the best sch on his server > minjo and jinjo? umm ok
im confused.. lol
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-11-21 19:42:33
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »If anything, the more the rest of the server hates you, the more likely you are to be a great player. I hope to every deity imaginable that kuro does not see this post It's ok, he thinks everyone loves him. no, he believes everyone hates him that's why I quoted dodu. you even had him convinced I hated him after all that ls shenaniganery He's as stupid as he is delusional.
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By Sylph.Katalsar 2011-11-21 20:34:05
Ok please, stop all this bs. Back to topic
As many people pointed out, the only way to make regen V make curing much easier is to allow it to also rise your current maximum HP and can't be dispelled. I feel this should be SCH exclusive with "Light Arts" up for both Regen IV and Regen V. If "Light Arts" isn't up during the cast then The maximum HP won't change. (Yes you can cast it with light arts up, switch to dark arts and still receive the HP boost)
Again this was stated from someone else who made a good example.
Think of a DRK, they cast drain they get set amount of HP however, it doesn't break HP cap. When a DRK casts Drain II if they drain more that their cap HP they break their current maximum HP by the surplus amount of HP drained.
Ours would be just like a DRK however, we do it in a light base method. Instead of absorbing HP from a target we're giving HP from a surplus of our Regen.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-11-21 20:44:45
i can see it now, buffing up for voidwatch would end up being like
regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5
9999 hp later: K GUYS LETS DO THIS
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By Sylph.Katalsar 2011-11-21 20:53:30
Only way i could see it being broken is if someone buffed the regen HP boost prior to a fight. But SE could give a set cap like 15% or 20% of the characters max health then that works out.
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By Sylph.Katalsar 2011-11-21 20:53:56
i knew you were going to say that lol
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By Phoenix.Cathaldus 2011-11-21 21:26:18
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »i can see it now, buffing up for voidwatch would end up being like
regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5 regen 5
9999 hp later: K GUYS LETS DO THIS
Didn't they say they were doing it so SCH could cast it on Alliance members so it'd be.
Accession > Regen V
Accession > Regen V
Accession > Regen V
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11-02-2011 04:45 PM | Camate | Community Rep | |
| I know there has been a lot of discussion regarding Regen and Cure V around the forums, so I wanted to pass along feedback that we received from the dev. team that Mocchi posted up earlier today.
galay said: 1. Make it possible to cast Regen on alliance members
2. Make a scholar only high level Regen
3. Make abilities or traits which make it possible to use Regen strategically
I’d really like the above three things if you are going to work on scholar’s regen. Since they can use weather magic, it would be cool to change the effects of Regen based on the type of weather casted.
Aurorastorm + Regen: Enhances effect of Regen
Voidstorm + Regen: Increases effect duration of Regen
Firestorm + Regen: Regen + minor Regain
Rainstorm + Regen: Regen + minor Refresh
Sandstorm + Regen: Add half of the effect amount to your max HP
Windstorm + Regen: Regen + gradual reduction in attack delay
Hailstorm + Regen: Regen + gradual increase in magic critical hit rate
Thunderstorm + Regen: Regen + gradual increase in critical hit rate
I still feel like Cure V should be added too…
Is that reason that Cure V has not yet been added to scholar’s spell repertoire due to the fact that it making it an AoE would be too efficient? In regards to wanting to the ability to cast Regen on alliance members, there have been a lot of people commenting on this, so we will be looking into making this an effect limited to scholar. We are going to need some time to develop and test this out so please give us a bit of time.
Also, thanks a lot for your Regen effect suggestions. We will take them into consideration.
In regards to the topic on Cure V which has cropped up in various other threads, I would like to inform you of our current direction.
We are looking at two main points:
1. The HP recovery amount of Cure III and IV are too low, and it’s hard to keep up with healing
2. Making each job’s specialty stand out more
With the level cap being increase and HP/damage taken amounts increasing, we understand that HP recovery amounts are low; however, we feel that making it possible to have every job that can use cure able to handle things all on their own is a completely different story.
While it’s possible for other jobs to help out with curing and cast support magic, which in turn create conditions making it easier to cure and also reduce the amount of cure-related stress, the job we have designated to be the main healer is white mage. Due to this, we do not currently have any plans of allowing jobs other than white mage to use Cure V.
However, the solution isn’t to limit the functionality of those jobs that assist with curing. So one possibility we’re considering is increasing the influence of the healing skill and MND, as well as increasing the HP recovery amount more than it is currently.
We believe this would involve making adjustments to jobs that have healing skill to improve the amount of HP recovered, but due to the fact that we will also be implementing cure potency equipment, implementing this aspect is simply one issue under consideration.
With that said our goal is not to make it so a certain job’s advantages are given to other jobs so they are able to do the same thing, instead we would like to look into how we can keep each job’s specialties intact and create ways that they can support other jobs. |
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