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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-15 01:45:10
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Sylph.Kiaru said:
You'll use 2x PDT axes even when just running around farming weak mobs, dding, etc? I thought you only used them when soloing really hard NM's.

it's still borderline terrible outside even in the situations where co-meleeing is applicable; think of it like rudra's storm on dancer against evisceration, except an even bigger gap between the two: using a terrible/mediocre weapon skill in favor of gaining occasional (30%) double damage
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 01:46:53
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it's an excellent brew weaponskill at least, does the wildfire 99999
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 01:47:19
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-15 01:47:50
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Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
it's an excellent brew weaponskill at least, does the wildfire 99999

you're an excellent brew weaponskill
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 01:49:11
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Sylph.Kiaru said:
You'll use 2x PDT axes even when just running around farming weak mobs, dding, etc? I thought you only used them when soloing really hard NM's.

it's still borderline terrible outside even in the situations where co-meleeing is applicable; think of it like rudra's storm on dancer against evisceration, except an even bigger gap between the two: using a terrible/mediocre weapon skill in favor of gaining occasional double damage
if you're in abyssea and you have some sort of regain atmas or were farming some fodder before a nm and you start out at 300tp, it's not bad to start off with on a NM and melee along until the mob QQs too much, at which point snarl and keep wailing on it until it gets too hairy.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 01:50:01
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
it's an excellent brew weaponskill at least, does the wildfire 99999

you're an excellent brew weaponskill


daww you spoil me
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-15 01:50:34
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Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
if you're in abyssea and you have some sort of regain atmas or were farming some fodder before a nm and you start out at 300tp, it's not bad to start off with on a NM and melee along until the mob QQs too much, at which point snarl and keep wailing on it until it gets too hairy.

that's the problem in-itself though: solo jobs without staggers, in MY ABYSSEA?
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By Sylph.Kollosis 2011-08-15 01:51:55
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Sylph.Kiaru said:
How much damage does rampage do outside? Blade: Hi averages 2k or so outside, and like 4k+ inside(idk inside number I never display damage).

Rampage in "pet" atmas does roughly 1.5k-2.5k for me inside, probably more with DD onry atmas..
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 01:52:00
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thisssssssss

>mfw watching a bst try to solo something like gukumatz with 0 procs using only his *** flower pot andy or whatever

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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 01:54:00
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Saw a JP bst soloing ovni with 0 procs. I was like "team up? You can have all drops" he says "{excitement}" and then proceeds to sit his pet on ovni and basically alt tab/do nothing while his pet solod it :/

I don't see what's so fun about alt tabbing and wasting 2 other parties time ._.
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By Sylph.Kollosis 2011-08-15 01:54:17
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
if you're in abyssea and you have some sort of regain atmas or were farming some fodder before a nm and you start out at 300tp, it's not bad to start off with on a NM and melee along until the mob QQs too much, at which point snarl and keep wailing on it until it gets too hairy.

that's the problem in-itself though: solo jobs without staggers, in MY ABYSSEA?

BST/WAR is decent for procing, if youre missing a war it gets the job done ;P
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 01:55:25
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Sylph.Kollosis said:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
if you're in abyssea and you have some sort of regain atmas or were farming some fodder before a nm and you start out at 300tp, it's not bad to start off with on a NM and melee along until the mob QQs too much, at which point snarl and keep wailing on it until it gets too hairy.

that's the problem in-itself though: solo jobs without staggers, in MY ABYSSEA?

BST/WAR is decent for procing, if youre missing a war it gets the job done ;P
you know what you lose as bst/war that's kinda a big deal?

a 2nd axe
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By Asura.Dajociont 2011-08-15 01:56:11
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your face is a big deal

ungh
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By Sylph.Kollosis 2011-08-15 01:57:10
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Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
thisssssssss

>mfw watching a bst try to solo something like gukumatz with 0 procs using only his *** flower pot andy or whatever


LOL! I laughed more at that than i should have haha
but forealz if i'm ever in the situation to solo my procs it's bst/war or bust :/
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 01:57:43
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Asura.Dajociont said:
your face is a big deal

ungh
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 01:58:23
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Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
Sylph.Kollosis said:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
if you're in abyssea and you have some sort of regain atmas or were farming some fodder before a nm and you start out at 300tp, it's not bad to start off with on a NM and melee along until the mob QQs too much, at which point snarl and keep wailing on it until it gets too hairy.

that's the problem in-itself though: solo jobs without staggers, in MY ABYSSEA?

BST/WAR is decent for procing, if youre missing a war it gets the job done ;P
you know what you lose as bst/war that's kinda a big deal?

a 2nd axe
That's why fencer was invented!

Why "fencer" is not a RDM ability still doesn't make sense though~
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By Sylph.Kollosis 2011-08-15 01:58:53
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Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
Sylph.Kollosis said:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
if you're in abyssea and you have some sort of regain atmas or were farming some fodder before a nm and you start out at 300tp, it's not bad to start off with on a NM and melee along until the mob QQs too much, at which point snarl and keep wailing on it until it gets too hairy.

that's the problem in-itself though: solo jobs without staggers, in MY ABYSSEA?

BST/WAR is decent for procing, if youre missing a war it gets the job done ;P
you know what you lose as bst/war that's kinda a big deal?

a 2nd axe

I would say a second axe is only necessary in some situations though :/ if the point is to proc then why sub nin or dnc? Especially when you say Gukumatz.. nothing Sobek related needs a second axe.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 02:00:30
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Sylph.Kiaru said:
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
Sylph.Kollosis said:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
if you're in abyssea and you have some sort of regain atmas or were farming some fodder before a nm and you start out at 300tp, it's not bad to start off with on a NM and melee along until the mob QQs too much, at which point snarl and keep wailing on it until it gets too hairy.

that's the problem in-itself though: solo jobs without staggers, in MY ABYSSEA?

BST/WAR is decent for procing, if youre missing a war it gets the job done ;P
you know what you lose as bst/war that's kinda a big deal?

a 2nd axe
That's why fencer was invented!

Why "fencer" is not a RDM ability still doesn't make sense though~
forgot about the update where fencer became anything close to good/relevant to soloing nms

my bad
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 02:01:19
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I was joking T_T
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-15 02:02:02
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i think in the end people should just like

not bring bst to abyssea

ok
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By Asura.Dajociont 2011-08-15 02:03:03
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hey, that's mean
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 02:03:04
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I agree, bsts soloing crap makes me rage.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 02:04:48
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Sylph.Kollosis said:
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
Sylph.Kollosis said:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
if you're in abyssea and you have some sort of regain atmas or were farming some fodder before a nm and you start out at 300tp, it's not bad to start off with on a NM and melee along until the mob QQs too much, at which point snarl and keep wailing on it until it gets too hairy.

that's the problem in-itself though: solo jobs without staggers, in MY ABYSSEA?

BST/WAR is decent for procing, if youre missing a war it gets the job done ;P
you know what you lose as bst/war that's kinda a big deal?

a 2nd axe

I would say a second axe is only necessary in some situations though :/ if the point is to proc then why sub nin or dnc? Especially when you say Gukumatz.. nothing Sobek related needs a second axe.
why would you be using bst for gukumatz in the first place

in my example, it was an example of a bst doing something HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, there is no reason that a bst should be dealing with gukumatz, he's not "hard" by any means

nothing is
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 02:06:05
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which brings us to:

Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
i think in the end people should just like

not bring bst to abyssea

ok

mission accomplished, i think we can all go home happy now
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By Sylph.Kollosis 2011-08-15 02:07:18
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I wasnt saying it was hard V.V
I enjoy playing BST. Sometimes before an event i'll solo up a popset so it's ready to go.. In that instance i would BST/WAR. I really don't see what's wrong with it.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 02:11:14
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and in doing so you're wasting everyone who's staring at your flower pot bartholemew's time while he hits the gukumatz for 30 damage each hit for 30 minutes while you wait for voracious violet to give you 100 tp so you can earth crusher.

spend that time before an event gearing up something useful, the opportunity cost of waiting on you to kill a might-as-well-be fodder mob with too much hp is staggering
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 02:14:49
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I loved when some solo NIN would claim guku because he was jp then not proc it and kill it without proccing.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 02:16:06
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and then he kills it just in time to run over and beat you on the Sirrush ??? and kills it (with no procs) in exactly 10 minutes, and goes and claims gukumatz


the cycle continues
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 02:17:06
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I never had that happen but I'm pretty sure I would have killed myself over it.

I'd make sure I had RR up so I could do it multiple times though.
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