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Allowing teens to have sex in the family home...
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-23 17:57:59
Leviathan.Solanis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Solanis said: I feel like parents who allow this nonsense are extremely irresponsible, and overly eager to free themselves of their own responsibility as parents
why's that?
because "oh it's safer and cleaner here, go at it kids!" is a terrible excuse for parenting
You'd prefer them to lie to you and do it somewhere where they're not safe?
I'd prefer they be encouraged to not do it at all if they're so stupid and unaware of the consequences of their actions that they won't use birth control properly when they're not in their nice cozy beds at home with the parents in the living room
you're delusional if you think they won't try.
Hey you know a good way to make them not ignorant? educate them. not by fear either.
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By Leviathan.Solanis 2011-06-23 18:00:29
Lakshmi.Feifongwong said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Solanis said: I feel like parents who allow this nonsense are extremely irresponsible, and overly eager to free themselves of their own responsibility as parents
why's that?
because "oh it's safer and cleaner here, go at it kids!" is a terrible excuse for parenting
They're just going to find some where else to do it anyway. Also the parents would probably get more respect and understanding from the teens which make it easier to explain safe sex etc.
being your teen's friend and buddy is a lot less important than making sure your teen understands the consequences of their actions and behaves properly whether they're in a cozy environment or not. there's this weird idea in parenting today that it's more important for your kids to like your decisions than for you to do what's best for them.
tl;dr, kids that won't use birth control and protect themselves from STIs when they aren't *** in your house shouldn't be having sex at all. instead of saying OH JUST DO IT HERE THEN you should be focusing on getting them to put the condom on, take the pills, use the dam, etc, whether or not they're with their stuffed animals.
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By Leviathan.Solanis 2011-06-23 18:01:54
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Solanis said: I feel like parents who allow this nonsense are extremely irresponsible, and overly eager to free themselves of their own responsibility as parents
why's that?
because "oh it's safer and cleaner here, go at it kids!" is a terrible excuse for parenting
You'd prefer them to lie to you and do it somewhere where they're not safe?
I'd prefer they be encouraged to not do it at all if they're so stupid and unaware of the consequences of their actions that they won't use birth control properly when they're not in their nice cozy beds at home with the parents in the living room
you're delusional if you think they won't try.
Hey you know a good way to make them not ignorant? educate them. not by fear either.
that's the whole point. educate them and make sure they protect themselves no matter what, instead of caving in to your own fear because you failed to educate your teen properly on safe, clean, and healthy sex. letting your children have sex in your house because "they'll just do it anyway and it's safer and cleaner here" is a total cop-out. be a parent.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2011-06-23 18:03:25
I'd have no prob knowing my kids (which I do not have and am not planning on having for quite some time still) are having safe, protected sex in their rooms.
Better than realizing they've been sneaking out and finding somewhere else, which could be more dangerous (in a park, in a car, w/e ) etc.
Of course though, part of being a teenager is enjoying the freedom of life and the thrill of doing things in uncommon or improvized places so I'm not really against that either. In the end, it's up to them, as it was for most of us I believe.
Whatever happens in their rooms better stay in those rooms though, no weird noises, or else!
By zahrah 2011-06-23 18:06:30
Leviathan.Solanis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Solanis said: I feel like parents who allow this nonsense are extremely irresponsible, and overly eager to free themselves of their own responsibility as parents
why's that?
because "oh it's safer and cleaner here, go at it kids!" is a terrible excuse for parenting
You'd prefer them to lie to you and do it somewhere where they're not safe?
I'd prefer they be encouraged to not do it at all if they're so stupid and unaware of the consequences of their actions that they won't use birth control properly when they're not in their nice cozy beds at home with the parents in the living room
Then you are denying them a purely natural biological function. People will have sex just as any other species on the planet.
Social norms have changed that make sex "under-age" taboo, but the need is still there. Just as it has been since Australopithecus walked the African plains. (I feel like I have said that before just recently.)
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-23 18:06:54
Leviathan.Solanis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Solanis said: I feel like parents who allow this nonsense are extremely irresponsible, and overly eager to free themselves of their own responsibility as parents
why's that?
because "oh it's safer and cleaner here, go at it kids!" is a terrible excuse for parenting
You'd prefer them to lie to you and do it somewhere where they're not safe?
I'd prefer they be encouraged to not do it at all if they're so stupid and unaware of the consequences of their actions that they won't use birth control properly when they're not in their nice cozy beds at home with the parents in the living room
you're delusional if you think they won't try.
Hey you know a good way to make them not ignorant? educate them. not by fear either.
that's the whole point. educate them and make sure they protect themselves no matter what, instead of caving in to your own fear because you failed to educate your teen properly on safe, clean, and healthy sex. letting your children have sex in your house because "they'll just do it anyway and it's safer and cleaner here" is a total cop-out. be a parent.
I don't see why the two can't coexist.
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By Siren.Kunimatsu 2011-06-23 18:10:02
Leviathan.Solanis said: being your teen's friend and buddy is a lot less important than making sure your teen understands the consequences of their actions and behaves properly whether they're in a cozy environment or not. there's this weird idea in parenting today that it's more important for your kids to like your decisions than for you to do what's best for them.
tl;dr, kids that won't use birth control and protect themselves from STIs when they aren't *** in your house shouldn't be having sex at all. instead of saying OH JUST DO IT HERE THEN you should be focusing on getting them to put the condom on, take the pills, use the dam, etc, whether or not they're with their stuffed animals.
It isn't just about them having safe sex, it's about their home being a safe environment compared to places they might go if you don't let them do it at home, they are still young after all.
They are going to do it anyway, giving them no other option than to do it in a place you might not even know where they're at is far worse parenting than letting them stay at home, what if something happens to them?
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2011-06-23 18:13:25
Damn, this is a tough question!!!
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-23 18:23:13
as for when I would consider it, idk. Depends on if I think they could handle the responsibility at the time.
As for if I'd do it if I thought they could handle it? yeah.
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By Fenrir.Vausabant 2011-06-23 18:28:31
My thoughts would be if the parent is gonna allow it, they have probably already had discussed a few things and ground rules. Just simply saying bring anyone up here to have fun with we dont care would be irresponsible. I'm just assuming that most parents would prob know who the boy or girl their kid is sleeping with.
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By Leviathan.Solanis 2011-06-23 18:28:32
Odin.Liela said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Lakshmi.Feifongwong said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Solanis said: I feel like parents who allow this nonsense are extremely irresponsible, and overly eager to free themselves of their own responsibility as parents
why's that?
because "oh it's safer and cleaner here, go at it kids!" is a terrible excuse for parenting
They're just going to find some where else to do it anyway. Also the parents would probably get more respect and understanding from the teens which make it easier to explain safe sex etc.
being your teen's friend and buddy is a lot less important than making sure your teen understands the consequences of their actions and behaves properly whether they're in a cozy environment or not. there's this weird idea in parenting today that it's more important for your kids to like your decisions than for you to do what's best for them.
tl;dr, kids that won't use birth control and protect themselves from STIs when they aren't *** in your house shouldn't be having sex at all. instead of saying OH JUST DO IT HERE THEN you should be focusing on getting them to put the condom on, take the pills, use the dam, etc, whether or not they're with their stuffed animals.
I'm not sure about all family situations, so this is coming strictly from my own background. It seems to me that one of the best ways to educate your kids is to talk to them. But a parent who is harsh and turned off to their teens' feelings isn't approachable to talk to. I, for example, wouldn't have asked my parents for information or help on anything sexually-related, ever, because I knew they wouldn't understand, approve, or care. Instead of telling me the differences between different types of STD or birth control options, they'd simply forbid me to think about sex at all, leaving me just as ignorant as before I'd asked.
There's also the issue of safety concerns for things other than safe sex. It's often dangerous in places to be out alone in small numbers after dark.
I'm not trying to say that parents have to let their teens have sex in the house or else they aren't understanding and approachable, but I do think that letting your teens know that it's not the end of the world if they have sex is a good thing.
As for being your teen's buddy instead of his/her parent, I really don't get that vibe from this at all. If anything, it seems like this is more of a nudge towards responsible adulthood. I'd say that being your kids' friend instead of an adult to them is evident when kids talk back to their parents or throw screaming fits in the candy aisle at Walmart and such, but allowing them a safe environment for sex, if they choose to use that environment, is akin to telling them that you are going to let them grow up a bit more now, that you trust them a bit more.
Like I said before, I don't have kids. But if I did and wished to do something like this for them, they'd have to be old enough (I'm not talking 'teen' as in 13 or 14. They'd need to be 18 or 19 for me to think they were old enough), they'd have to be mature, and they'd have to be well-behaved enough that I honestly did trust them.
I personally think that sex is great and healthy and fun, but only if the people engaging in it are able to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions and internalize that responsibility. this is why children or blackout drunk people can't consent - they aren't in a mental state to take responsibility. if you feel your child will go off and have sex in a park without a condom, and your response is to let them have sex in your house, that is irresponsible parenting because you are taking their culpability onto yourself and making yourself responsible for their unhealthy behavior, far beyond your natural responsibility as a parent. do you see why that's problematic? your job as a parent is to ensure they get the education and parenting so that they WILL use a condom, they WON'T have sex in a park at night, so that they can make informed and safe decisions. talking to your kids is definitely the best way, I think.
if the reason you would allow it is like... well, I can't think of a good reason to allow it personally, but if your reason WASN'T because they'll do it anyway, then I don't care. but going off the article, the reasons the parents listed there are really terrible.
ps the reason underage sex is still taboo and should remain that way (aside from religious whackos) is because a consequence of underage sex is teenage pregnancy and teenage motherhood. Teenage moms are vastly less likely to complete high school, get higher education, find liveable wages, etc. Their children are enormously more likely to grow up in poverty; something like 80% of households in poor neighborhoods are headed by a single mother. teenage sex isn't just a healthy and natural animal instinct, it has consequences and because teenagers are idiots, they are much more likely to suffer those consequences of pregnancy or disease.
not letting your teenage daughter go on birth control is ignorant and hopelessly idealistic. letting your teenage son *** in his room because he won't use a condom or will go off to a dark park otherwise is bad parenting. big difference :/
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By Odin.Blazza 2011-06-23 18:38:27
The thing that concerns me most about this thread, is that I'm relating more with the parents than with the kids... damn I'm old ; ;
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-23 18:40:27
Leviathan.Solanis said: Odin.Liela said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Lakshmi.Feifongwong said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Solanis said: I feel like parents who allow this nonsense are extremely irresponsible, and overly eager to free themselves of their own responsibility as parents
why's that?
because "oh it's safer and cleaner here, go at it kids!" is a terrible excuse for parenting
They're just going to find some where else to do it anyway. Also the parents would probably get more respect and understanding from the teens which make it easier to explain safe sex etc.
being your teen's friend and buddy is a lot less important than making sure your teen understands the consequences of their actions and behaves properly whether they're in a cozy environment or not. there's this weird idea in parenting today that it's more important for your kids to like your decisions than for you to do what's best for them.
tl;dr, kids that won't use birth control and protect themselves from STIs when they aren't *** in your house shouldn't be having sex at all. instead of saying OH JUST DO IT HERE THEN you should be focusing on getting them to put the condom on, take the pills, use the dam, etc, whether or not they're with their stuffed animals.
I'm not sure about all family situations, so this is coming strictly from my own background. It seems to me that one of the best ways to educate your kids is to talk to them. But a parent who is harsh and turned off to their teens' feelings isn't approachable to talk to. I, for example, wouldn't have asked my parents for information or help on anything sexually-related, ever, because I knew they wouldn't understand, approve, or care. Instead of telling me the differences between different types of STD or birth control options, they'd simply forbid me to think about sex at all, leaving me just as ignorant as before I'd asked.
There's also the issue of safety concerns for things other than safe sex. It's often dangerous in places to be out alone in small numbers after dark.
I'm not trying to say that parents have to let their teens have sex in the house or else they aren't understanding and approachable, but I do think that letting your teens know that it's not the end of the world if they have sex is a good thing.
As for being your teen's buddy instead of his/her parent, I really don't get that vibe from this at all. If anything, it seems like this is more of a nudge towards responsible adulthood. I'd say that being your kids' friend instead of an adult to them is evident when kids talk back to their parents or throw screaming fits in the candy aisle at Walmart and such, but allowing them a safe environment for sex, if they choose to use that environment, is akin to telling them that you are going to let them grow up a bit more now, that you trust them a bit more.
Like I said before, I don't have kids. But if I did and wished to do something like this for them, they'd have to be old enough (I'm not talking 'teen' as in 13 or 14. They'd need to be 18 or 19 for me to think they were old enough), they'd have to be mature, and they'd have to be well-behaved enough that I honestly did trust them.
I personally think that sex is great and healthy and fun, but only if the people engaging in it are able to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions and internalize that responsibility. this is why children or blackout drunk people can't consent - they aren't in a mental state to take responsibility. if you feel your child will go off and have sex in a park without a condom, and your response is to let them have sex in your house, that is irresponsible parenting because you are taking their culpability onto yourself and making yourself responsible for their unhealthy behavior, far beyond your natural responsibility as a parent. do you see why that's problematic? your job as a parent is to ensure they get the education and parenting so that they WILL use a condom, they WON'T have sex in a park at night, so that they can make informed and safe decisions. talking to your kids is definitely the best way, I think.
if the reason you would allow it is like... well, I can't think of a good reason to allow it personally, but if your reason WASN'T because they'll do it anyway, then I don't care. but going off the article, the reasons the parents listed there are really terrible.
ps the reason underage sex is still taboo and should remain that way (aside from religious whackos) is because a consequence of underage sex is teenage pregnancy and teenage motherhood. Teenage moms are vastly less likely to complete high school, get higher education, find liveable wages, etc. Their children are enormously more likely to grow up in poverty; something like 80% of households in poor neighborhoods are headed by a single mother. teenage sex isn't just a healthy and natural animal instinct, it has consequences and because teenagers are idiots, they are much more likely to suffer those consequences of pregnancy or disease.
not letting your teenage daughter go on birth control is ignorant and hopelessly idealistic. letting your teenage son *** in his room because he won't use a condom or will go off to a dark park otherwise is bad parenting. big difference :/
birth control has some nasty side effects, unfortunately
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By Leviathan.Solanis 2011-06-23 18:42:51
there are tons of methods of birth control, from tons of varieties of pills to implants, shots, all sorts of stuff. the side effects are largely positive actually, unless you're allergic or have hormonal imbalances or other unusual things. shorter and lighter periods, clearer skin, fewer mood swings, stuff like that.
talk to your doctor and make sure your teenage daughter is safe! times like these make me happy I'm not a parent ~_~
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-06-23 18:47:33
I can't say that I agree with the original topic of allowing it in the home. However, I do believe that a parent shouldn't deny their teen birth control.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-23 18:50:06
Ramuh.Krizz said: I can't say that I agree with the original topic of allowing it in the home. However, I do believe that a parent shouldn't deny their teen birth control.
oh if they want it, go for it.
I wouldn't say to force it on them though...
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-06-23 18:52:04
Ramuh.Krizz said: My dad walked in on me once. He opened the door, got halfway through my name before realizing what was going on, turned around, shut the door, and walked away. Never spoke of it to this day.
Dad: My kid...... he is a man now ;_;
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By Leviathan.Solanis 2011-06-23 19:03:30
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Birth control (especially at a young age) can disfigure the reproductive system.
disfiguration with oral contraception? I've never heard of this before, how young are we talking here
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-23 19:06:39
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: It can happen at any age really (the younger the stronger the possibility), and it's in rare instances- but it can still happen.
Citation please
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By Leviathan.Solanis 2011-06-23 19:09:30
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Talking about drugs and pads, ask a doctor if you like sir.
It's about the same possibility of a doctor messing up a surgery of twisting tubes.
burden of proof lies with you man, I did a brief search a minute ago and couldn't find anything about this :/
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-23 19:10:21
Leviathan.Solanis said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Talking about drugs and pads, ask a doctor if you like sir.
It's about the same possibility of a doctor messing up a surgery of twisting tubes.
burden of proof lies with you man, I did a brief search a minute ago and couldn't find anything about this :/
Same. That's why I asked for a citation.
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2011-06-23 19:11:26
Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Solanis said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Talking about drugs and pads, ask a doctor if you like sir.
It's about the same possibility of a doctor messing up a surgery of twisting tubes.
burden of proof lies with you man, I did a brief search a minute ago and couldn't find anything about this :/
Same. That's why I asked for a citation.
(pops up with detailed video footage of what happens....10mins later FBI bust into your house because the person in the video was under aged)
By zahrah 2011-06-23 19:13:18
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Birth control (especially at a young age) can disfigure the reproductive system.
How so?
ADVISORY: Don't read it if you can't handle it...
When I was in high school I had felt out of sorts one morning, but blamed it purely on my period. When I got out of the shower my vision blurred and felt dizzy. I shook it off and continued to get ready for school.
Later that day, we were running North Carolinas in preparation for track. Between sprints my vision became increasingly blurred, but I kept pressing on. (Athletics...No pain, no gain.) I ended up fainting. I had never ever had any health issues what-so-ever until this point.
Anyway, we found out that I was anemic, and that my irregular, heavy flows were only exacerbating the problem. I was put on birth control at age fifteen to regulate my menstrual cycle, and have been on it ever since.
Come to think of it, it might not have come to that point if I was ever able to openly speak about it with my mother.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-23 19:15:02
zahrah said:
Come to think of it, it might not have come to that point if I was ever able to openly speak about it with my mother.
oh snap!
Link
This was on the news a couple of mornings ago...
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