Atheists The New Theists ?

On this forum I think we're guilty for this at times.

One on the front page wasn't enough?

Ugh...Right?

*** neckbeards. Jesus only accepts the clean shaven.

I love it when one group tries to show how another group is wrong by saying they do the same thing that the first group does.. Atheists and Theists will go back and fourth like that forever.

I'm a atheist :( really open about it too, friend sent this to me now and didnt see it previously posted.My B.

Except atheists(or agnostics, more appropriately) are right, and theists are wrong. Most rational people don't get upset when people push valid information on them.

Attempting to shove the sky being orange down my throat, however.. yeah, I'll be a tad irritated.

/facepalm

If this is what the people would talk about then who are we to say they should not talk about it?

who's to say theists are wrong

they have all the proof they need

the bible is full of answers

these godless heathens just aren't gonna face the truth lolserj

god knows why they're so determined to believe there ISN'T a savior

i mean why would you bother to believe in a hopeless case

it's just not logical

it's cool we'll be laughing our halo-studded heads off when they're burning in hell

But the sky is orange during sunsets/sunrises. To say you undoubtedly know there is or is not a God, is wrong. You can't know one way or another. If either side could prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt, this back and fourth argument wouldn't be as prevalent as it is. The entire concept of faith means you don't know.. If you somehow knew there was a God, then it wouldn't be faith..

All that said, the Bible is written by man, not by God.. I find it hard to believe that such a supreme being would contradict itself so much, it also bothers me every time something good happens it was because of God, and when something bad happens, it was God's master plan. ***happens, stop trying to find some underlying meaning, or sense in it. If you want to believe you will go to Heaven and live in eternal joy when you die, then more power to you, but not everything that happens is due to some master plan.

You're all atheists already. Every one of you.

Even the most stridently religious of you is an atheist towards Ra, the Sun God. You're atheist about Quetzalcoatl, Athena, Saturn, Zeus, Odin, or any other of the thousands and millions of gods and goddesses who have come and gone throughout human history.

And you don't give them a single waking moment of thought or careful contemplation to their non-existence. You do not engage in "the religion of not believing in Imahmana Viracocha." There are no weekly meetings. There's no political movement. You just don't give it any consideration whatsoever.

Atheists are precisely the same way -- they just add one more god to the list.

Not even Christopher Hitchens (the most publicly virulent anti-religious person I can recall offhand) wants to outlaw religion, nor would consider a religious person an impossibly flawed, evil being who does not deserve to hold elected office or be invited into one's house. He just wants religion to leave him alone.

Yet the stigma against atheists in our society is so strong, publicly proclaiming yourself to be one is akin to proclaiming yourself an agent of Lucifer. It is impossible to achieve any elected office in this country after such a pronouncement. Many studies have shown that the hatred towards atheists in this country is more widespread and vitriolic than even the hatred towards militant Islam.

So please, don't equate the two.

This is why I keep believing in the invisible 9 foot tall tentacle monster that lives under my bed.

No one can disprove it's there because it's invisible. Whenever I try to touch it, dang things moves around on me!

I have faith that he is there. Terrible scary faith in that thing.

Sev I'm sorry but I honestly can't believe you would go to such lengths to troll

I mean I am serious about my faith and you just need to poke fun at it

shame on you for doing such a thing like that, I thought we were better friends than that

this ignorant drivel should not be allowed to go on much further and I hope someone sees this and takes the appropriate action as your words do hurt me so

/threadwin

your skepticism wounds me to the core

i don't see why you have to be such a cynic every time someone expresses a positive thought or intention

for a true christian, you take a very pessimistic view of the world

Yal two just need to reach into each other's pants already and get it over with.

we're cupping scrotums as you speak

Ah, good ol' Amazing Atheist, that guy cracks me up. :)

On to the topic:
Are some atheists the same as fundamentalists? In the sense of being aggressively anti-religion, perhaps. But I still don't think it's equivalent. Fundamentalists argue for things like prayer in schools, creationism in science classes, and various other things which impose their view and their view ALONE onto others in public sectors. Atheists who are against religion are, at worst, calling religious people stupid and overtly criticising their beliefs, but I know of no major movements or figures calling for the banning of religion. No atheist I know thinks we have the right to make worshipping god illegal. Generally, the idea is that it's a private thing, people should keep it in their churches and homes and keep it that way, and that's about it.

As for how we are on FFXIAH, it depends. Sometimes you see a lot of ire for religion come out when someone posts on a recent event in the news, and sometimes its just a rant that sparks of debate, discussion, and argumentation. Some people feel more strongly about it than others... and that's true of both sides. Not every religious person I know is a zealot, and not every atheist I know is rabidly anti-religion.

You remind me of Neil deGrasse Tyson when you talk. It makes me swoon inside.

I wouldn't call interpreting your blatant sarcasm skepticism

What you said was not cool at all

I think I speak for the other God fearing Americans who post on AH when I say that such bigotry should not be overlooked

that's right up there with "many people say" and "it is widely believed" in the weasel words pantheon

Not that I'm trying to discredit Jaerik or anything, but you forgot that 105% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Easily Googled, dude. But feel free to keep shooting the messenger.

Do you care to share how and when you established your personal belief system on the other tread? That's kind of where we're at now. Thought you might want to chime in there also since this is on your mind.

wat

Read more, copy/paste pre-written retorts less. I quite plainly said that non-theistic agnostics are correct. The people who know that there's no reason to believe there is a god, yet acknowledge that without definitive evidence, its irrational to claim that there absolutely isn't one. And I don't know what religions you're familiar with, but on Earth, every major monotheistic establishment leaves no room for uncertainty in regard to their God's existence. Faith is used in place of an understanding of his actions, motivations, and plans.

that study actually says that Muslims are more hated than atheists, not vice versa, and i would say that 68% of people thinking atheists can be good people isn't quite as bad as you are making it out

that said, on the whole, i don't disagree with your underlying point, just think unattributed claims in an argument are sloppy, even if they are true