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Aegis + Burtgang Buff
 Phoenix.Neosutra
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-05-09 12:32:45
Looks like the MDT and PDT caps are being raised for Aegis and Burtgang.
Depending on how high they make the cap now with Aegis, this may put Aegis on par with Ochain (as far as the amount of magic damage reduction goes in comparison to Ochain's melee reduction).
Pretty cool since my suggestion (below) in the other thread pretty much went verbatim on what they did.
From the Ochain thread lol:
Phoenix.Neosutra said:
Making Aegis's MDT go beyond the cap would be a great easy fix for it being highly useful again against magic casting NMs (I prefer Aegis over Ochain when tanking AV, though we still zerg it atm usually). If only they would do that for Burtgang too.
We'll see.
What do you guys think?
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Lakshmi.Konvict
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2011-05-09 12:42:16
Depends on how high the cap is raised to..If you can reach 90 or 100% with Aegis...Aegis > Ochain by far..Still do not take much physical with Aegis since 45-60% block rate and 75% reduced with blocking..also D ring stacked with Aegis would make it more powerful..AEGIS FTW!
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By Cerberus.Zandra 2011-05-09 12:44:04
Well considering that you can hit the 50% cap without aegis pretty easily with shell, 90% MDT is absolutely incredible! Gogo Aegis!
Welcome back PLD/WAR?
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By Sylph.Quiznor 2011-05-09 12:48:28
I jumped for joy when I read that post.Because...
1.I'm almost finished my Burtgang (alex onry to go and over half way done)
and
2. Cat's Eye
A particularly rare and radiant variety of alexandrite, named for its resemblance to the piercing eye of a tiger.
I think its a great idea tbh for both.It enhances the "exclusivity" of a relic/mythic that many owners are currently QQ'ing about without just adding something basic like increasing the stats higher of the same ones.like the magian trials have been doing.Dont get me wrong,increasing them through magian is nice and a decent idea (I want at LEAST PDT-20% on my 99 burtgang!) but this is a real change that hopefully will make owners feel like they're finally starting to pull back ahead. (myself included as a future owner)
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2011-05-09 12:48:40
Very very true baby, can't wait until I get my Aegis. Two words. LOL OCHAIN
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By Sylph.Quiznor 2011-05-09 12:50:36
Lakshmi.Konvict said: Very very true baby, can't wait until I get my Aegis. Two words. LOL OCHAIN
Dont make comments like that.Its nice to have a non flame war thread for a change :(
Ochain will still be useful for people without Aegis.50% MDT is nice even if its not 60%,75%,w/e Aegis turns out to be.
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By Carbuncle.Ronson 2011-05-09 12:51:04
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 Lakshmi.Zantok
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By Lakshmi.Zantok 2011-05-09 12:52:57
Going to test it when I log in. :D
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2011-05-09 12:54:21
Very nice, let me know buddy all fighting aside.
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By Sylph.Quiznor 2011-05-09 12:54:42
Lakshmi.Zantok said: Going to test it when I log in. :D
Do you have a level 90?
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-05-09 12:57:30
Lakshmi.Konvict
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2011-05-09 12:58:46
Odin.Zicdeh said: inb4 5% DMG reductions. Nah Zic, I see being able to reach 90 or 100% like Ochain can do with Physical.
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By Sylph.Quiznor 2011-05-09 13:00:14
I'm thinking 75% or so myself.Give or take 5%.
But like Konvict says it wouldnt surprise me at all if they put it around 80% or so to go inline with Ochains block rate
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2011-05-09 13:00:52
Sylph.Quiznor said: I'm thinking 75% or so myself.Give or take 5%.
But like Konvict says it wouldnt surprise me at all if they put it around 80% or so to go inline with Ochains block rate Very true Quiz, can't wait so pumped ;D
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By Sylph.Quiznor 2011-05-09 13:16:54
While I might not be able to break the 50% MDT cap,I'm looking forward to having a Burtgang and Ochain to survive the physical side of it.Still have my MDT set to macro in at least.
Phoenix.Neosutra
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-05-09 13:22:19
I don't expect the MDT cap with Aegis to go past 70%, but we'll see.
If it was removed completely, the description would most likely have read "the magic damage sustained cap for Aegis has been removed", not "raised".
Pessimistically I'd say it's 60% now for Aegis.
Optimistically I'd say it's 75%.
But I'm expecting about 70%.
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2011-05-09 13:27:13
If its 90% like I think (50% Cap, 40% over from Aegis). Then its nice.
But... Kinda sad another "PLD Fix(?lol?)" requires a Relic/Empy. It'll be awesome to basically take super-less Damage from magic, but at the same time, To realistically achieve said 90% you'd have to give up a lot of Armor specifically for MDT (with Shell V and Aegis90, you're @ ~64% or something?). So 90%MDT (if possible) would be Situational, but you would still idle in ~64% which is hot. (Assuming cap works like I'm guessing).
&Guy Above me giving more realistic numbers though.
Either way, I think this is a far *** stretch from "Hello PLD/WAR", But I guess its a nice addition I guess. >___>
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Phoenix.Neosutra
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-05-09 13:29:32
I sincerely doubt they straight removed the cap for Aegis.
However, if we can reach the new cap with just Shell5 and Aegis90, (assuming around 65% cap), we can still keep our current DD/Defense/MDB sets for further reduction, while pushing down our MDT a good %.
In my MDB set, I have about 30 MDB, which will add with the heightened Aegis MDT, meaning I should take around 15-20% from any magic attack in my MagicDamageDown set, and about 30-35% from any magic attack just idling in my standard Pld DD set.
Pretty excited, can't wait for the numbers.
Will be a while though before I'm done with Burtgang90 trials, so not sure if anyone can test what the new PDT cap is with Burtgang.
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2011-05-09 13:30:39
Asura.Karbuncle said: But... Kinda sad another "PLD Fix(?lol?)" requires a Relic/Empy. It'll be awesome to basically take super-less Damage from magic, but at the same time, To realistically achieve said 90% you'd have to give up a lot of Armor specifically for MDT (with Shell V and Aegis90, you're @ ~64% or something?). So 90%MDT (if possible) would be Situational, but you would still idle in ~64% which is hot. (Assuming cap works like I'm guessing). Emp Body +1/2, D. Ring, Twilight Torque = -25%
Swap neck with a -6%MDT Dark Ring to hit true cap? I think -MDT works like haste, not sure tbh I always aimed for -25%.
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By Sylph.Quiznor 2011-05-09 13:33:55
Asura.Karbuncle said: requires a Relic/Mythic*.
Rather than looking at it as a "fix" for PLD,its more of an enhancement on relics/mythics like SE promised us on the road to making them king @ level 99.
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-05-09 13:37:05
As for PDT:
Valhalla Head: 5%
AF3+2 body (at capped VE): 10%
AF3+2 legs: 5%
PDT feet/hands: 3% + 3%: 6%
PDT waist: 3%
Alexander Earring: 1%
Twilight Torque: 5%
Dring: 10%
PDT ring: 5-6%
Total: 50-51%. Not counting Burtgang's current 16% at 90.
Looks like you'll still need to stack PDT gear to make use of Burtgang's "over the cap PDT reduction", unless the cap is really really *** low.
The good thing however is a lot of that is pure DT, so it will help you reach Aegis's MDT cap as well (assuming you don't already reach the new cap with just Aegis and Shell.
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2011-05-09 13:43:13
Sylph.Quiznor said: Asura.Karbuncle said: requires a Relic/Mythic*.
Rather than looking at it as a "fix" for PLD,its more of an enhancement on relics/mythics like SE promised us on the road to making them king @ level 99.
Thats true. I guess this is just installment one.
Makes you wonder what they have in store for others?
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-05-09 13:46:44
Asura.Karbuncle said: Sylph.Quiznor said: Asura.Karbuncle said: requires a Relic/Mythic*.
Rather than looking at it as a "fix" for PLD,its more of an enhancement on relics/mythics like SE promised us on the road to making them king @ level 99.
Thats true. I guess this is just installment one.
Makes you wonder what they have in store for others?
Well clearly relics/mythics are going to 99 while emps at at 90 cause abyssea is over! >_>
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By Carbuncle.Aeonknight 2011-05-09 13:47:43
Didn't see anything about raising the block rate on Aegis.
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By Sylph.Quiznor 2011-05-09 13:50:03
Asura.Karbuncle said: Sylph.Quiznor said: Asura.Karbuncle said: requires a Relic/Mythic*.
Rather than looking at it as a "fix" for PLD,its more of an enhancement on relics/mythics like SE promised us on the road to making them king @ level 99.
Thats true. I guess this is just installment one.
Makes you wonder what they have in store for others?
Exactly. Probably for relics it'll be involving aftermaths since they seem to be heavily based on their aftermath as their defining feature. Mythics on the other hand almost all seem to have noticable effects on the actual weapon itself so it will probably be a straigt increase involving something to do with that,trials of the magian updates aside.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-05-09 13:51:33
I dont think they said that relics/mythics would be king, just adjustment to be along the lines of emps.
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By Sylph.Quiznor 2011-05-09 13:53:07
Carbuncle.Aeonknight said: Didn't see anything about raising the block rate on Aegis.
I cant see them donig that tbh.Its already Defined in the shield size really.And it would also mess with the "Aegis = Magic Ochain = Physical" defense ideas SE has put out.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Makenshi 2011-05-09 13:58:23
Now if only they could do this for relic weapons with Subtle Blow aftermath so they aren't completely useless lol
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-05-09 14:00:59
Cerberus.Zandra said: Well considering that you can hit the 50% cap without aegis pretty easily with shell, 90% MDT is absolutely incredible! Gogo Aegis!
Welcome back PLD/WAR? It's going to take more than an adjustment to aegis to save pld
Looks like the MDT and PDT caps are being raised for Aegis and Burtgang.
Depending on how high they make the cap now with Aegis, this may put Aegis on par with Ochain (as far as the amount of magic damage reduction goes in comparison to Ochain's melee reduction).
Pretty cool since my suggestion (below) in the other thread pretty much went verbatim on what they did.
From the Ochain thread lol:
Phoenix.Neosutra said:
Making Aegis's MDT go beyond the cap would be a great easy fix for it being highly useful again against magic casting NMs (I prefer Aegis over Ochain when tanking AV, though we still zerg it atm usually). If only they would do that for Burtgang too.
We'll see.
What do you guys think?
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