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Oirandori
 Diabolos.Inuyushi
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By Diabolos.Inuyushi 2011-04-29 12:41:37
Phoenix.Uzugami said: Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: So I asked for %'age on the added affect on Oirandori and everyone that don't have either Kannagi or Oirandori is jumping in here talking ***that's funny If your willing to give input then do so if not then you STFU!
What does having a Kannagi have to do with anything about Oirandori? It was already said the proc rate was 10~20%. You also said that Oirandori *WINS* for you, as your offhand weapon, which isn't true. It may be in your mind but it's not, infact, it's doing little to nothing for you in terms of an off-hand weapon where Kamome was stated is obviously better for you to use. Then you went on to say "It works better for me and my party" Which isn't true, at all. We're giving input based on what you said in the OP, you just don't want to hear it.
Input or trying to convince him how to play NIN like everyone else?
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2011-04-29 12:42:47
Diabolos.Inuyushi said: Phoenix.Uzugami said: Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: So I asked for %'age on the added affect on Oirandori and everyone that don't have either Kannagi or Oirandori is jumping in here talking ***that's funny If your willing to give input then do so if not then you STFU!
What does having a Kannagi have to do with anything about Oirandori? It was already said the proc rate was 10~20%. You also said that Oirandori *WINS* for you, as your offhand weapon, which isn't true. It may be in your mind but it's not, infact, it's doing little to nothing for you in terms of an off-hand weapon where Kamome was stated is obviously better for you to use. Then you went on to say "It works better for me and my party" Which isn't true, at all. We're giving input based on what you said in the OP, you just don't want to hear it.
Input or trying to convince him how to play NIN like everyone else?
Both, I guess. Why would you want to gimp yourself willingly when there are better options out there? That's like me switching to afflictors instead of using my Vere on MNK. It's stupid and pointless.
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By BorealisV2 2011-04-29 12:43:09
I have a Kannagi (not that it's much of an accomplishment these days) and I think you're a retard. Offhand your gimp Katana all you like, won't change the fact that there's a more easily obtainable and better one out there.
By Wombat 2011-04-29 12:43:30
Caitsith.Crunkie said: I don't have Kannagi, which has nothing to do with this *** that you are asking about Oirandori, and yes I have a character with this *** katana. You are a dipshit and another band *** wagon NIN that picked the easiest *** emp to get, here let me go triobox my own Kannagi in a week and I'll be super *** cool like you. Everybody in this damn thread has already pointed out this katana is situational and if you are poor or doing things solo you might benefit from it. Dude... chill.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-04-29 12:49:02
Has anyone even parsed if this additional effect even increases your crit rate? I was under the impression that "Crit. hit evasion" is the stat which is modified by attacker's dex vs. defender's agi, meaning that if you already have capped ddex, the additional effect will do nothing (in abyssea, you will have capped ddex with RR on). Eyeballing is not parsing.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-04-29 12:53:51
BorealisV2 said: I have a Kannagi (not that it's much of an accomplishment these days) and I think you're a retard. Offhand your gimp Katana all you like, won't change the fact that there's a more easily obtainable and better one out there.
Whats funny about that is he said he has Kamome, so its not like he even has to go out of his way to get another katana.
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-04-29 12:53:56
Caitsith.Crunkie said: I don't have Kannagi, which has nothing to do with this *** that you are asking about Oirandori, and yes I have a character with this *** katana. You are a dipshit and another band *** wagon NIN that picked the easiest *** emp to get, here let me go triobox my own Kannagi in a week and I'll be super *** cool like you. Everybody in this damn thread has already pointed out this katana is situational and if you are poor or doing things solo you might benefit from it. I am gonna take this another route so you have Oirandori " on another character" how do you like it? And what would you say to those that want it?
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-04-29 12:59:38
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-04-29 13:01:15
Phoenix.Kirana said: Has anyone even parsed if this additional effect even increases your crit rate? I was under the impression that "Crit. hit evasion" is the stat which is modified by attacker's dex vs. defender's agi, meaning that if you already have capped ddex, the additional effect will do nothing (in abyssea, you will have capped ddex with RR on). Eyeballing is not parsing. From toyig with Oirandori it Proc's like a Holy bolt or Acid bolt so to speak so when proc'd I Crit EVERY hit until mob dies it's pretty awsome to see so many crits in such little time.
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By Leviathan.Novax 2011-04-29 13:01:21
Oirandori loses to kamome atm. It's a nice gimmick katana if you feel the need to save tools(which are cheap who cares) your crit rate is going to be capped or near capped so the increase in crit dmg will win. Outside of abyssea Oirandori may come ahead, the decrease in crit evasion on a mob outside will probably be less effective because your crit rate won't be 80%ish.
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2011-04-29 13:01:53
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: Phoenix.Kirana said: Has anyone even parsed if this additional effect even increases your crit rate? I was under the impression that "Crit. hit evasion" is the stat which is modified by attacker's dex vs. defender's agi, meaning that if you already have capped ddex, the additional effect will do nothing (in abyssea, you will have capped ddex with RR on). Eyeballing is not parsing. From toyig with Oirandori it Proc's like a Holy bolt or Acid bolt so to speak so when proc'd I Crit EVERY hit until mob dies it's pretty awsome to see so many crits in such little time.
I'll bite. In abyssea or outside of abyssea.
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-04-29 13:02:18
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Dual wield Kannagis Mtmoogle Wsup Buddy!^^
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-04-29 13:04:28
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Dual wield Kannagis Mtmoogle Wsup Buddy!^^ forcing ppl to get me fudo Homework
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-04-29 13:07:15
Leviathan.Novax said: Oirandori loses to kamome atm. It's a nice gimmick katana if you feel the need to save tools(which are cheap who cares) your crit rate is going to be capped or near capped so the increase in crit dmg will win. Outside of abyssea Oirandori may come ahead, the decrease in crit evasion on a mob outside will probably be less effective because your crit rate won't be 80%ish. You make a very good point I will try outside Abyssea and see what Proc and Crits look like. You think SE made the NTE cause that took away our Koga Tekko and replaced them with Iga Tekko+2?
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-04-29 13:07:56
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Dual wield Kannagis Mtmoogle Wsup Buddy!^^ forcing ppl to get me fudo Homework LoL
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-04-29 13:08:20
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: Phoenix.Kirana said: Has anyone even parsed if this additional effect even increases your crit rate? I was under the impression that "Crit. hit evasion" is the stat which is modified by attacker's dex vs. defender's agi, meaning that if you already have capped ddex, the additional effect will do nothing (in abyssea, you will have capped ddex with RR on). Eyeballing is not parsing. From toyig with Oirandori it Proc's like a Holy bolt or Acid bolt so to speak so when proc'd I Crit EVERY hit until mob dies it's pretty awsome to see so many crits in such little time.
edit: I don't know if I'm right, which is why I'm asking for a parse. If there isn't a parse, I will find some time to do it myself.
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2011-04-29 13:15:29
The higher an attacker's DEX, the greater their Critical Hit Rate against an opponent is. The higher a defender's AGI, the less likely they are to have critical hits scored against them.
From wiki, so I THINK it's safe to assume it's Attacker's DEX vs. Defender's AGI, like always
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-04-29 13:22:01
Phoenix.Uzugami said: The higher an attacker's DEX, the greater their Critical Hit Rate against an opponent is. The higher a defender's AGI, the less likely they are to have critical hits scored against them.
From wiki, so I THINK it's safe to assume it's Attacker's DEX vs. Defender's AGI, like always
Yes, but Critical hit rate comes two forms. Dex vs. Crit hit evasion (Agi) which caps at 20% (or was it 15%?), and straight up Critical Hit rate +x% which does exactly what its name implies.
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-04-29 13:23:24
Phoenix.Kirana said: Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: Phoenix.Kirana said: Has anyone even parsed if this additional effect even increases your crit rate? I was under the impression that "Crit. hit evasion" is the stat which is modified by attacker's dex vs. defender's agi, meaning that if you already have capped ddex, the additional effect will do nothing (in abyssea, you will have capped ddex with RR on). Eyeballing is not parsing. From toyig with Oirandori it Proc's like a Holy bolt or Acid bolt so to speak so when proc'd I Crit EVERY hit until mob dies it's pretty awsome to see so many crits in such little time.
edit: I don't know if I'm right, which is why I'm asking for a parse. If there isn't a parse, I will find some time to do it myself. No I'm sorry I misunderstood I have no parse data structure not many of these have been obtained that's why I am asking about it there is nothing on net or wikki explaning this information I check my self that's the purpose of the thread. I am doing still doing "homework" on this.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-04-29 13:25:48
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: Phoenix.Kirana said: Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: Phoenix.Kirana said: Has anyone even parsed if this additional effect even increases your crit rate? I was under the impression that "Crit. hit evasion" is the stat which is modified by attacker's dex vs. defender's agi, meaning that if you already have capped ddex, the additional effect will do nothing (in abyssea, you will have capped ddex with RR on). Eyeballing is not parsing. From toyig with Oirandori it Proc's like a Holy bolt or Acid bolt so to speak so when proc'd I Crit EVERY hit until mob dies it's pretty awsome to see so many crits in such little time.
edit: I don't know if I'm right, which is why I'm asking for a parse. If there isn't a parse, I will find some time to do it myself. No I'm sorry I misunderstood I have no parse data structure not many of these have been obtained that's why I am asking about it there is nothing on net or wikki explaning this information I check my self that's the purpose of the thread. I am doing still doing "homework" on this.
I'll do a quick test after I eat lunch to see whether or not it gives you 100% crit rate when procced or not. Assuming it does not, I will test to see if it adds crit rate even when ddex is capped.
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2011-04-29 13:26:02
Phoenix.Kirana said: Phoenix.Uzugami said: The higher an attacker's DEX, the greater their Critical Hit Rate against an opponent is. The higher a defender's AGI, the less likely they are to have critical hits scored against them.
From wiki, so I THINK it's safe to assume it's Attacker's DEX vs. Defender's AGI, like always
Yes, but Critical hit rate comes two forms. Dex vs. Crit hit evasion (Agi) which caps at 20% (or was it 15%?), and straight up Critical Hit rate +x% which does exactly what its name implies.
Yeah, it caps at 20% (Dex Vs. Eva (AGI) etc)
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-04-29 13:27:21
Phoenix.Uzugami said: The higher an attacker's DEX, the greater their Critical Hit Rate against an opponent is. The higher a defender's AGI, the less likely they are to have critical hits scored against them.
From wiki, so I THINK it's safe to assume it's Attacker's DEX vs. Defender's AGI, like always Agreed indeed I think the defender's VIT is also a factor I may be wrong but I can easily look it up and post the fact if necessary ^^
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-04-29 13:28:03
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: Phoenix.Uzugami said: The higher an attacker's DEX, the greater their Critical Hit Rate against an opponent is. The higher a defender's AGI, the less likely they are to have critical hits scored against them.
From wiki, so I THINK it's safe to assume it's Attacker's DEX vs. Defender's AGI, like always Agreed indeed I think the defender's VIT is also a factor I may be wrong but I can easily look it up and post the fact if necessary ^^
Vit currently does not effect critical hits, but it has been announced that vit will lower crit hit damage after a future update.
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2011-04-29 13:28:18
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: Phoenix.Uzugami said: The higher an attacker's DEX, the greater their Critical Hit Rate against an opponent is. The higher a defender's AGI, the less likely they are to have critical hits scored against them.
From wiki, so I THINK it's safe to assume it's Attacker's DEX vs. Defender's AGI, like always Agreed indeed I think the defender's VIT is also a factor I may be wrong but I can easily look it up and post the fact if necessary ^^
That's not implimented yet, VIT will only affect damage taken from critical hits, not the rate of t hem
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By Caitsith.Crunkie 2011-04-29 13:30:48
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: Caitsith.Crunkie said: I don't have Kannagi, which has nothing to do with this *** that you are asking about Oirandori, and yes I have a character with this *** katana. You are a dipshit and another band *** wagon NIN that picked the easiest *** emp to get, here let me go triobox my own Kannagi in a week and I'll be super *** cool like you. Everybody in this damn thread has already pointed out this katana is situational and if you are poor or doing things solo you might benefit from it. I am gonna take this another route so you have Oirandori " on another character" how do you like it? And what would you say to those that want it?
I said in my first post, since I do not have a Kannagi at the time being, working on something a bit more useful for me and my linkshell(Great Axe) I use this for a mainhand katana and off hand my Kamome. The low delay is nice along with Kamome and the NTE is a bonus. I do not care for the crit evasion down inside abyssea it really has little if any use to me. Outside I cannot say. If you are going for Kannagi great, look past this katana as it is not the easiest to obtain being a less than desirable NM to fight and there are other better more useful offhand katanas to use with Kannagi.
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-04-29 13:45:14
@Uzu and Kirana my bad about the VIT just read on it - STR is vs VIT ad DEX s AGI Could that explain the DEX5 on Oirandori? Maybe Dex increases that accuracy of procing the Aditional affect?
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2011-04-29 13:46:43
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: @Uzu and Kirana my bad about the VIT just read on it - STR is vs VIT ad DEX s AGI Could that explain the DEX5 on Oirandori? Maybe Dex increases that accuracy of procing the Aditional affect?
I've never heard of anything helping the accuracy of addiatonall effects on weapons.
2 brews 2 without <no brew were fails> and 1/4 trying to get this, I just obtained Oirandori a few nights ago the Proc rate on Additional effect:
Lowers enemy critical hit evasion is really nice so is animation and you Crit every hit not only you but your party members will also Crit hit! Ninja Tool Expertise-(NTE) is an added bonus and it proc'ed often for me also, after 3 hours of farming webs and killing Athamas to keep lights caped for TE's I only used 13(Shihei)Tools my "NTE" is fully merited it could have been luck but I was sure keeping track! All in All this will be my new Off Hand it WINS for me hands down the day before we killed Hadhayosh and the party was Criting also. Note: I have Hochomasamune, Kamome, Kogara and Twilight Knife. I am still doing homework on this Katana I don't understand why Dex is on this katana but from most weapons that stat bonus usually is the modifier right...? I don't know %'age on any of stats on katana but they seem high Thoughts from my fellow "iNiN's"!!PRZ POST
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