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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 13:18:39
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If you have not seen this yet, I reccomend it to everyone. It's a very interesting read.
Bike through Chernobyl
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-15 13:22:20
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I'm tired of Chernobyl. Being Ukrainian and going to a Ukrainian school, I've seen enough of Chernobyl.

The Japan Nuclear Crisis is nothing similar to Chernobyl, people. Stop comparing it to Chernobyl. God.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2011-03-15 13:24:26
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1708: Rebuilding the damage to Japan could take half a decade, according to one World Bank expert. "Reconstruction after the 1995 Kobe earthquake in Japan took a bit less than five years, I would expect reconstruction here to last five years," Abhas Jha said, according to Reuters.
Why is it that it takes Michigan 2 years to fix a small piece of road by my house and Japan 5 years to fix such a large part of their country?


<----Lived in Mi many years and still just 10 mins from boarder.

UNIONS, STATE CONTRACTED UNIONS.

I have friends who work for unions and have even been threatened to loose their jobs if they work do fast or preform work out side of their job description.
In some cases, it has to do with being paid up front when starting the construction, and not having penalties/fines (or significant ones) associated with missing deadlines.
Plus the methodology for selecting the company in the first place is somewhat....bad. It usually has more to do with politics, and less to do with track history/previous performance of the main contractor.

There are pretty good reasons that can arise to miss deadlines in construction (geology, suppliers, permits, etc.). However, a tendency to continually miss deadlines needs to be noted.
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-15 13:28:31
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Asura.Catastrophe said:
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If anything I feel this is a proponent for nuclear energy. But I'm no pessimist either.
If a 9.0 earthquake and a 30+ foot tsunami directly striking a ~50 year old last-gen nuclear plant doesn't result in a full-blown massive disaster, it's pretty hard to argue that nuclear energy isn't relatively safe.

I'd like to see any other facility on this planet hold up to that.
Nothing else would. THere isn't a need to construct other things that tough lol. But you never know how people will react. TMI wasn't that bad but it set us back a good 2 decades.

They will see the news and fear stuff they don't understand and completely ignore all the huge problems with other stuff. I mean gulf stream oil spill anyone? At this point this situation probably can't even get that bad unless someone bombed the reactors... or all the major mine accidents.

Or just how much more radiation is released from burning fossil fuels than from nuclear plants... even with this accident there is still probably more released this year from burning coal than all of nuclear power total.

But people love big stories and talking about stuff. However I don't this will cause a huge return to fossil fuels. I doubt we will reverse all the huge restrictions that we have been placing on them for so long. No one wants to have there air look like chinas. Which makes them much less cost efficient.

Look at just chemical manufacturing in the 80s. I grew up around Kodak's headquarters in the 80s, before it was discovered that the neighborhood I lived in was being flooded with airborne waste. Not to mention all the life in the Adirondack lakes were dying..

That all gets changed though, Cat, b/c Every yr H&S seems to get get more important, ONLY when ***hits the fan, or some other huge disaster of some momentous proportions happens, then all health and safety gets revamped..well only maybe if it deems necessary, to some companys who think " only if its necessary".
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-15 13:32:23
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Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said:
If you have not seen this yet, I reccomend it to everyone. It's a very interesting read.
Bike through Chernobyl

I so remember this , when i was in my Car Tuner forums, back in 2004. It was a real nice read up.. Im not entirely sure though, but she did a personal log entry of the whole Chernobyl ride, to even going back and finding WW2 machines in Russia, and did a like a history report thing....

she even rode a nice bike too, I think?
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By Alexander.Varistor 2011-03-15 13:36:07
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Bahamut.Milamber said:
richwood said:
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1708: Rebuilding the damage to Japan could take half a decade, according to one World Bank expert. "Reconstruction after the 1995 Kobe earthquake in Japan took a bit less than five years, I would expect reconstruction here to last five years," Abhas Jha said, according to Reuters.
Why is it that it takes Michigan 2 years to fix a small piece of road by my house and Japan 5 years to fix such a large part of their country?


<----Lived in Mi many years and still just 10 mins from boarder.

UNIONS, STATE CONTRACTED UNIONS.

I have friends who work for unions and have even been threatened to loose their jobs if they work do fast or preform work out side of their job description.
In some cases, it has to do with being paid up front when starting the construction, and not having penalties/fines (or significant ones) associated with missing deadlines.
Plus the methodology for selecting the company in the first place is somewhat....bad. It usually has more to do with politics, and less to do with track history/previous performance of the main contractor.

There are pretty good reasons that can arise to miss deadlines in construction (geology, suppliers, permits, etc.). However, a tendency to continually miss deadlines needs to be noted.

Easy with the union bashing. not all unions and not even the same union in different states are like what your blanket statement proclaims. Out here in Wyoming, us members of the IBEW do a very good job of policing our own ranks and we do not allow people to drag out jobs. I have let many people go for that reason.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 13:37:33
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Cerberus.Kalyna said:
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I'm tired of Chernobyl. Being Ukrainian and going to a Ukrainian school, I've seen enough of Chernobyl.

The Japan Nuclear Crisis is nothing similar to Chernobyl, people. Stop comparing it to Chernobyl. God.
That is sorta the point that I was trying to make in that link. The accident in Japan is 1/100th the severity of what happened in Chernobyl.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-03-15 13:40:23
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Three Mile Island was a 5 on the international nuclear incident severity scale.

So far, Fukushima is a 4.

But that's not as sexy as breathlessly reporting it to be "the worst nuclear incident since Chernobyl."
 
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By Phyrexius 2011-03-15 13:44:03
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LoL! Look at the date this piece of news was reported dumbass.

I'll be waiting to hear more lolCONspiracy Theory crap from you while attempting to figure out why I posted it...

Hmm, was supposed to be replying to Chaosx. Since they're one of those Pink Unicorn occultist types~
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By Lakshmi.Allusion 2011-03-15 13:46:31
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Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said:
If you have not seen this yet, I reccomend it to everyone. It's a very interesting read.
Bike through Chernobyl

Yeah I watched the history channel presentation on it twice. I believe it was the after humans are gone (not the name, but I am sure someone knows what I am talking about) episodes. They went to Chernobyl and showed how nature had reclaimed everything.

Its called "Earth: Population Zero" and at best that tv show can be summed up as a 1/2 assed prediction designed to make a cheap buck. I highly doubt anything horrible is going to happened besides what has already happened. Give it a month!
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By Couroudo 2011-03-15 13:48:15
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Flionheart, I'm sorry that I sounded mean the last time I replied to your post. But I guess it's not your fault you are a little ignorant, we are a product of our environment after all, maybe you weren't breast-fed?
If you don't remember what I said last time, look into Nikola Tesla, Nick Begich, Bernard Eastlund (star wars tech, no, not the
Skywalker kind) Bilderberg group, Rothschild family, Rockefellers for example.
I don't mean to speak for anyone, but I think the ones bringing up HAARP and the like are simply raising possibilities. Just because we don't have the capacity to begin to understand something, doesn't mean it's not the case, you know what I mean?
If we as a people remain ignorant, then the people that would seek to profit from human misery will continue to escalate their profit making and all that is associated (bombs, drugs, banks etc).

Hmmmm... now that I think of it, why is the most technologically advanced, learned and industrious country in the world with so many nuclear reactors having so much trouble with this?
Seems to me they could have had an army of robots pushing a tsunami of steel and concrete encasing the entire area within hours of a problem, not to mention the world's elite with all of their worldwide resources converging on Fukushima-Daiichi. Maybe the Georgia guidestones aren't so "lol" after all. D:
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 13:49:27
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Three Mile Island was a 5 on the international nuclear incident severity scale.

So far, Fukushima is a 4.

But that's not as sexy as breathlessly reporting it to be "the worst nuclear incident since Chernobyl."
I read somewhere they upgraded it to a 6?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-15 13:57:45
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Tesla is no joke as crazy as it sounds. the man was way ahead of his time. For example he didn't even want to use wires for phones and such. He could have made it work wireless. Him and Thomas Edison we're basically rivals.

Alternating current (AC) was Tesla's Idea.
Direct Current (DC) was Edison's
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-15 14:01:07
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Three Mile Island was a 5 on the international nuclear incident severity scale.

So far, Fukushima is a 4.

But that's not as sexy as breathlessly reporting it to be "the worst nuclear incident since Chernobyl."

As from My CTV news website Jaerik, this is what they said or described some of the instances of how each Nuclear facility was graded upon their own severities...

Caitsith.Neonracer said:

The Japanese disaster is currently considered a "serious incident" and has been rated a 6 on the International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale.

Chernobyl is rated as a 7 on the scale, which qualifies it as a "major incident."

Three Mile Island is considered a 5, as an "accident with wider consequences."


hmmmm...
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-15 14:03:01
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Lakshmi.Allusion said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said:
If you have not seen this yet, I reccomend it to everyone. It's a very interesting read.
Bike through Chernobyl

Yeah I watched the history channel presentation on it twice. I believe it was the after humans are gone (not the name, but I am sure someone knows what I am talking about) episodes. They went to Chernobyl and showed how nature had reclaimed everything.

Its called "Earth: Population Zero" and at best that tv show can be summed up as a 1/2 assed prediction designed to make a cheap buck. I highly doubt anything horrible is going to happened besides what has already happened. Give it a month!


Do we have a link to that video, please? I'd like to watch it, if its available on the interwebs pls. Thanks.
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By Leviathan.Krush 2011-03-15 14:03:45
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Ok so volunteered today to go to Japan. I know nothing except what the mass media and government officials say about the radiation leaks which is of coarse a big concern to me and my future wife. What would you do to prepare yourself to become a volunteer emergency worker in Japan(before traveling to Japan)? FYI me expertise is in Animal safety and rescue also earthquake disaster relief (California government employee).
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-15 14:05:41
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Leviathan.Krush said:
Ok so volunteered today to go to Japan. I know nothing except what the mass media and government officials say about the radiation leaks which is of coarse a big concern to me and my future wife. What would you do to prepare yourself to become a volunteer emergency worker in Japan(before traveling to Japan)? FYI me expertise is in Animal safety and rescue also earthquake disaster relief (California government employee).

Iodine tablets? Some navy crewmen have mild radiation poisoning. I don't think they we're anywhere near the reactor. But yeah be careful and hell I envy you being able to do that. Keep safe!
 
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I was thinking maybe freezing my sperm wouldn't be a bad idea. Can radiation hurt that sort of thing?
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-15 14:12:32
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Leviathan.Krush said:
Ok so volunteered today to go to Japan. I know nothing except what the mass media and government officials say about the radiation leaks which is of coarse a big concern to me and my future wife. What would you do to prepare yourself to become a volunteer emergency worker in Japan(before traveling to Japan)? FYI me expertise is in Animal safety and rescue also earthquake disaster relief (California government employee).

1. have any background training in search & rescue?
2. you speak Japanese
3. have expereience with first aid and any type of training re: health related issues like first aid?

these would be a start... I do remember Jaerik posting a link from someone in Japan stating, if you do not have some of these as a background to help with the efforts to Japan, then a forigner who doesn't know anything, would just be getting in the way.
 
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By Leviathan.Krush 2011-03-15 14:15:13
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Caitsith.Neonracer said:
Leviathan.Krush said:
Ok so volunteered today to go to Japan. I know nothing except what the mass media and government officials say about the radiation leaks which is of coarse a big concern to me and my future wife. What would you do to prepare yourself to become a volunteer emergency worker in Japan(before traveling to Japan)? FYI me expertise is in Animal safety and rescue also earthquake disaster relief (California government employee).

1. have any background training in search & rescue?
2. you speak Japanese
3. have expereience with first aid and any type of training re: health related issues like first aid?

these would be a start... I do remember Jaerik posting a link from someone in Japan stating, if you do not have some of these as a background to help with the efforts to Japan, then a forigner who doesn't know anything, would just be getting in the way.


Yes to question 1 and 3

No to question 2

but then again nether did the fire guyz who left last week.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-15 14:16:17
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Leviathan.Krush said:
Caitsith.Neonracer said:
Leviathan.Krush said:
Ok so volunteered today to go to Japan. I know nothing except what the mass media and government officials say about the radiation leaks which is of coarse a big concern to me and my future wife. What would you do to prepare yourself to become a volunteer emergency worker in Japan(before traveling to Japan)? FYI me expertise is in Animal safety and rescue also earthquake disaster relief (California government employee).

1. have any background training in search & rescue?
2. you speak Japanese
3. have expereience with first aid and any type of training re: health related issues like first aid?

these would be a start... I do remember Jaerik posting a link from someone in Japan stating, if you do not have some of these as a background to help with the efforts to Japan, then a forigner who doesn't know anything, would just be getting in the way.


Yes to question 1 and 3

No to question 2

but then again nether did the fire guyz who left last week.
Other way around for me =(
No to 1 and 3
yes to 2

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By Leviathan.Krush 2011-03-15 14:16:20
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Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
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I was thinking maybe freezing my sperm wouldn't be a bad idea. Can radiation hurt that sort of thing?

...

I being serious man. Id like to take every precaution.
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-15 14:16:55
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Leviathan.Krush said:
Caitsith.Neonracer said:
Leviathan.Krush said:
Ok so volunteered today to go to Japan. I know nothing except what the mass media and government officials say about the radiation leaks which is of coarse a big concern to me and my future wife. What would you do to prepare yourself to become a volunteer emergency worker in Japan(before traveling to Japan)? FYI me expertise is in Animal safety and rescue also earthquake disaster relief (California government employee).

1. have any background training in search & rescue?
2. you speak Japanese
3. have expereience with first aid and any type of training re: health related issues like first aid?

these would be a start... I do remember Jaerik posting a link from someone in Japan stating, if you do not have some of these as a background to help with the efforts to Japan, then a forigner who doesn't know anything, would just be getting in the way.


Yes to question 1 and 3

No to question 2

but then again nether did the fire guyz who left last week.


hmmm well they do have fire training and experience.. do you have that too? If you're one of them, then IDK <shrugs> and if you;re going, then I wish you good luck then, and god speed...over in Japan.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2011-03-15 14:19:41
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Caitsith.Neonracer said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Three Mile Island was a 5 on the international nuclear incident severity scale.

So far, Fukushima is a 4.

But that's not as sexy as breathlessly reporting it to be "the worst nuclear incident since Chernobyl."

As from My CTV news website Jaerik, this is what they said or described some of the instances of how each Nuclear facility was graded upon their own severities...

Caitsith.Neonracer said:

The Japanese disaster is currently considered a "serious incident" and has been rated a 6 on the International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale.

Chernobyl is rated as a 7 on the scale, which qualifies it as a "major incident."

Three Mile Island is considered a 5, as an "accident with wider consequences."


hmmmm...

The only CTV article I can find lists it as between 3 mile island and Chernobyl. A 7 is the highest on the scale which is what Chernobyl had.

According to the BBC as of 15 March 2011:
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How do Fukushima's problems affect the rest of the world?

It depends on how much radiation is released. At present, the IAEA says the effects are of a "local" nature.

This would be a 4.
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By Leviathan.Krush 2011-03-15 14:23:48
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Caitsith.Neonracer said:
Leviathan.Krush said:
Caitsith.Neonracer said:
Leviathan.Krush said:
Ok so volunteered today to go to Japan. I know nothing except what the mass media and government officials say about the radiation leaks which is of coarse a big concern to me and my future wife. What would you do to prepare yourself to become a volunteer emergency worker in Japan(before traveling to Japan)? FYI me expertise is in Animal safety and rescue also earthquake disaster relief (California government employee).

1. have any background training in search & rescue?
2. you speak Japanese
3. have expereience with first aid and any type of training re: health related issues like first aid?

these would be a start... I do remember Jaerik posting a link from someone in Japan stating, if you do not have some of these as a background to help with the efforts to Japan, then a forigner who doesn't know anything, would just be getting in the way.


Yes to question 1 and 3

No to question 2

but then again nether did the fire guyz who left last week.


hmmm well they do have fire training and experience.. do you have that too? If you're one of them, then IDK <shrugs> and if you;re going, then I wish you good luck then, and god speed...over in Japan.

Yes Ive had the same training they have received for disaster relief in California. I was involved in Katrina and the Sawtooth fires in CA just to name a few references.
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By Leviathan.Krush 2011-03-15 14:52:14
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Well thanks for the well wishes. Ill just research the inter-webs and hopefully someone will advise me of my risks if I'm selected.

Again thanks.
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