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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-07-07 13:47:12
Your opinion is useless if you're basing it off nothing. Also, I went almost a decade without treating my ADD, and I realized one day that it was *** me over really bad ignoring it.
By Jetackuu 2012-07-07 13:48:36
Tsu chill dude, you're taking it a little too personally man.
By Artemicion 2012-07-07 13:48:57
Your opinion is useless if you're basing it off nothing. Also, I went almost a decade without treating my ADD, and I realized one day that it was *** me over really bad ignoring it.
I'm basing it off observations and general human nature. This obviously isn't a blanket case scenario as things will vary greatly based on the individual. But you really don't need anything to validate an opinion or feeling towards something, it's merely how I perceive it. There really is no right or wrong, because these things are highly subjective and vary greatly person to person.
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-07-07 13:49:06
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-07-07 13:49:33
I'm not really upset or anything. I just don't understand how someone can claim the natural route if they've never dealt with it personally.
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By Jetackuu 2012-07-07 13:51:30
You don't know if he has or haven't, I happen to have and pretty much agree with him.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-07-07 13:52:49
So should someone with diabetes not take insulin? Your body is supposed to naturally do that for you.
By Artemicion 2012-07-07 13:52:59
I'm not really upset or anything. I just don't understand how someone can claim the natural route if they've never dealt with it personally.
That's fair. I can't say I have dealt with it personally, but I feel that in the grand scheme of things, the pharmaceutical industry is a bit head over heels when it comes to creating pills and labeling otherwise human behavior/conditions as being some horrible condition that requires medicine; when in some cases it's not as bad as most would perceive. Of course, that's not to invalidate the problem as a whole or blanket those with more acute cases of said condition.
By Artemicion 2012-07-07 13:53:21
So should someone with diabetes not take insulin? Your body is supposed to naturally do that for you.
Terribad example.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-07-07 13:53:42
So should someone with diabetes not take insulin? Your body is supposed to naturally do that for you. Now you're comparing apples with fairy dust.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-07-07 13:54:05
How is that a bad example?
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-07-07 13:54:58
I'm not really upset or anything. I just don't understand how someone can claim the natural route if they've never dealt with it personally.
That's fair. I can't say I have dealt with it personally, but I feel that in the grand scheme of things, the pharmaceutical industry is a bit head over heels when it comes to creating pills and labeling otherwise human behavior/conditions as being some horrible condition that requires medicine; when in some cases it's not as bad as most would perceive. Of course, that's not to invalidate the problem as a whole or blanket those with more acute cases of said condition. I disagree here, I don't think we shouldn't have meds for such things. I think there's a problem lying on people that rush to take pills for whatever small thing. Hypochondria etc.
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By Asura.Ina 2012-07-07 13:55:42
lol this things full of ***... I got pure as the first one followed by happy and proud
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-07-07 13:56:23
How is that a bad example? If you can't understand it yourself you're really overboard with this.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-07-07 13:56:44
I'm not really upset or anything. I just don't understand how someone can claim the natural route if they've never dealt with it personally.
That's fair. I can't say I have dealt with it personally, but I feel that in the grand scheme of things, the pharmaceutical industry is a bit head over heels when it comes to creating pills and labeling otherwise human behavior/conditions as being some horrible condition that requires medicine; when in some cases it's not as bad as most would perceive. Of course, that's not to invalidate the problem as a whole or blanket those with more acute cases of said condition. And? It's a business like any other they are out for profit... I thought this was common knowledge... That doesn't take away from the fact that some people still need that medicine to cope with their problems... some more than others... There might be some that don't need it at all but there are definitely those out there that do need it...
It's just like how they charge you $300 for some medicines and then when other companies have access to make them its like $30 a bottle... these companies aren't out to help you individually... but it doesn't mean they don't in the process lol...
Edit: also it's not the pharm companies that diagnose and prescribe it to individuals... they may push it to the doctors but yeah...
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By Asura.Vyre 2012-07-07 13:57:47
I'm not really upset or anything. I just don't understand how someone can claim the natural route if they've never dealt with it personally.
That's fair. I can't say I have dealt with it personally, but I feel that in the grand scheme of things, the pharmaceutical industry is a bit head over heels when it comes to creating pills and labeling otherwise human behavior/conditions as being some horrible condition that requires medicine; when in some cases it's not as bad as most would perceive. Of course, that's not to invalidate the problem as a whole or blanket those with more acute cases of said condition. THe problem isn't the industry. It's the people crying for the drugs who don't really have the problems, and then the Doctor's who haven't got the choice/are bad doctors who prescribe based off what they're told/believe. Because the acute problems exist, the dire problems, the real problems, the medicine must exist, but since diagnosed symptoms are easy to mimic, it becomes easy to abuse.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-07-07 13:58:18
How is that a bad example? If you can't understand it yourself you're really overboard with this. My point was the natural route isn't the most effective, so why should it be the case with everything else? Didn't Steve Jobs die because of this whole natural treatment ideal?
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-07-07 13:59:18
lol this things full of ***... I got pure as the first one followed by happy and proud Beautiful
Funny
Proud
I CALL BS TOO
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-07-07 13:59:25
lol this things full of ***... I got pure as the first one followed by happy and proud I got Hopeful, Honest, Strong. lolno
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-07-07 14:00:29
Cheerful, proud, honest.
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By Bahamut.Rulerofdarkness 2012-07-07 14:01:04
I can't wait to be out of community college. Do people actually go to community college for only two years?
Late to reply, but I finished my Associates in two years. It really wasn't that bad, only had to go for 15 hours each semester. It changed depending on the classes I took but I believe I mainly went Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday. I ended up having a lot of free time since I never had to study. Though I did only have to go to school, I didn't have to balance in a job as well or anything.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-07-07 14:01:58
How is that a bad example? If you can't understand it yourself you're really overboard with this. Such a cop out answer... whether you're right or wrong lol... If you're going to make a statement and then when someone asks you to explain it and then you make a crap statement like this?
By Jetackuu 2012-07-07 14:02:34
How is that a bad example? If you can't understand it yourself you're really overboard with this. My point was the natural route isn't the most effective, so why should it be the case with everything else? Didn't Steve Jobs die because of this whole natural treatment ideal?
it is in a lot of cases, and any doctor worth their salt would prefer the natural way of fixing something over than needlessly prescribing something, however there is an issue in the industry, prompted by greed and ignorance, and not just by the producer, but the consumer too.
If there was a way to restore the body's way to produce it's own insulin, they'd use it over shots. If people can cope with their "disorders" without medication, they should.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-07-07 14:02:34
I don't feel like feeding you today Flavin.
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-07-07 14:02:42
By Artemicion 2012-07-07 14:03:01
How is that a bad example? If you can't understand it yourself you're really overboard with this. My point was the natural route isn't the most effective, so why should it be the case with everything else? Didn't Steve Jobs die because of this whole natural treatment ideal?
The reason it was a bad example was because you were using a known disease that has had years upon years of research, funding, medicinal advances to a legitimate bodily ailment and comparing it in the batch of things that aren't always so clear cut and well understood between the patient, the doctor, and the pharm companies. The people that fall for the sales pitch and believe themselves to be ill when it is not always the case are as much to blame as the doctors that misdiagnose and jump to pills or the pharm companies that create and advertise these drugs. It's a very complex problem, and just as a disclaimer, I'll remind you again that this isn't a blanket problem or solution; it'll vary heavily on the person and severity of their condition. What works for some, won't work for everyone, and vice versa.
By Jetackuu 2012-07-07 14:03:52
How is that a bad example? If you can't understand it yourself you're really overboard with this. Such a cop out answer... whether you're right or wrong lol... If you're going to make a statement and then when someone asks you to explain it and then you make a crap statement like this?
no, the statement explains itself, she's right.
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2012-07-07 14:03:56
OK, I am going to chime in with my opinion. Every person on this earth is different. What works for some may not work for others.
Now, here is how I formed my opinion. My wife has fought depression for years. A lot of it came from the problems we had when she was fighting cancer pretty hard (in remission for 6 years now yay!). For a while, she was going to a psychologist (I think that's the one that can prescribe medicine) once a week. She was put on an anti-depressant and given something else for when she has a panic attack.
The medicine changed her. It made her not her. I dealt with that for a couple of years and finally talked her into not taking her meds at all. She had a hard time coming of the meds (because it turns into an addiction) but she got through it. Our living conditions were better due to me having a much better job and the kids being a little older and more independent. We found that she no longer needed the medicine and she has learned to talk herself out of panic attacks. She is also 10x happier than she ever was on anti-depressants.
Now, that worked for her, but probably won't work for every other person out there, because everyone is different.
Just my 2 cents...
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By Artemicion 2012-07-07 14:05:14
I'm not really upset or anything. I just don't understand how someone can claim the natural route if they've never dealt with it personally.
That's fair. I can't say I have dealt with it personally, but I feel that in the grand scheme of things, the pharmaceutical industry is a bit head over heels when it comes to creating pills and labeling otherwise human behavior/conditions as being some horrible condition that requires medicine; when in some cases it's not as bad as most would perceive. Of course, that's not to invalidate the problem as a whole or blanket those with more acute cases of said condition. And? It's a business like any other they are out for profit... I thought this was common knowledge... That doesn't take away from the fact that some people still need that medicine to cope with their problems... some more than others... There might be some that don't need it at all but there are definitely those out there that do need it...
It's just like how they charge you $300 for some medicines and then when other companies have access to make them its like $30 a bottle... these companies aren't out to help you individually... but it doesn't mean they don't in the process lol...
Edit: also it's not the pharm companies that diagnose and prescribe it to individuals... they may push it to the doctors but yeah...
That's kinda what I was getting at. Because of the business nature of the industry, there's a rather large margin of error and potential for abuse in the whole thing. Between gullible people and pill happy doctors and the companies that create and advertise their concoctions there is much misery and money to be had.
By Jetackuu 2012-07-07 14:05:20
How is that a bad example? If you can't understand it yourself you're really overboard with this. My point was the natural route isn't the most effective, so why should it be the case with everything else? Didn't Steve Jobs die because of this whole natural treatment ideal?
The reason it was a bad example was because you were using a known disease that has had years upon years of research, funding, medicinal advances to a legitimate bodily ailment and comparing it in the batch of things that aren't always so clear cut and well understood between the patient, the doctor, and the pharm companies. The people that fall for the sales pitch and believe themselves to be ill when it is not always the case are as much to blame as the doctors that misdiagnose and jump to pills or the pharm companies that create and advertise these drugs. It's a very complex problem, and just as a disclaimer, I'll remind you again that this isn't a blanket problem or solution; it'll vary heavily on the person and severity of their condition. What works for some, won't work for everyone, and vice versa.
that and shrinks are the only ones that can diagnose a "disease, disorder etc" without actual proof, it's hilarious.
This is a thread that I found on another website I post at. It can be really really interesting. I thought it deserved a place here.
Post your random thoughts for the day here, or anything else that intrigues you.
For starters, is it possible to give constructive critism to someone who doesn't have a neck? I totally just walked by a girl who didn't. Someone isn't getting a necklace for Valentines day!
And who decided black and white can't be colors? I want to say a racist. I really do.
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