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Random Thoughts.....What are you thinking?
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-07-01 11:27:09
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-07-01 11:47:11
inb4: "who cares about games being digital, its the same thing"
This was five days ago
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By Asura.Iamaman 2026-07-01 11:48:06
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By Asura.Iamaman 2026-07-01 12:03:25
Peak
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Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2026-07-01 12:10:18
Part of the issue is that physical disks are meaningless. The medium is too slow to play the game off of; PS5's optical drive reads at ~30 MB/sec. That's slower than most many people's internet connections, so it doesn't even save time copying to your drive. It's a factor of 200 slower than a good SSD. You aren't playing modern games off a low-cost spinning disc unless you want 60 second load times.
So, let's split the complaint. You don't need a physical disk. The only way they could even make that workable is through a rewritable medium with a connector rated for high numbers of insertion and removal. A CFExpress card might work, but market rate is like 80 bucks for 256GB. Even with economies of scale, you're doubling the price of the game for the physical card. Got it? Ok, no physical disk.
What you actually want is DRM-free (or close) media that can be shared or sold. Crying about discs makes it easy to ignore. Crying about usage limitations and always-on checks won't make the companies care, but it's at least a feasible request. Something like a collectible access key that handles real time decryption might be interesting, but good chance it ends up with Denuvo-tier performance implications due to a sloppy implementation.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2026-07-01 12:14:49
It's complicated. People think a disc means ownership. When you bought crash bandicoot it was yours forever till you sold it. If you buy something digitally, well the server just goes offline, tough titty.
The laws are out of sync with tech.
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-07-01 12:47:39
Part of the issue is that physical disks are meaningless. The medium is too slow to play the game off of; PS5's optical drive reads at ~30 MB/sec. That's slower than most many people's internet connections, so it doesn't even save time copying to your drive. It's a factor of 200 slower than a good SSD. You aren't playing modern games off a low-cost spinning disc unless you want 60 second load times.
So, let's split the complaint. You don't need a physical disk. The only way they could even make that workable is through a rewritable medium with a connector rated for high numbers of insertion and removal. A CFExpress card might work, but market rate is like 80 bucks for 256GB. Even with economies of scale, you're doubling the price of the game for the physical card. Got it? Ok, no physical disk. I dont know where you were going with this.
Disc based games have installed content to the console drive since PS3 era for the reasons you've stated (theyre slow). This has nothing to do with that though.
In 20 years, I can put my stellar blade disc in my (hopefully still working, my wii-u, ps3, nintendo ds all still work, I take good care of my stuff) ps5 and play the game in its original version. I dont have to worry about "we deleted this game from our servers, its gone forever, you lost what you paid for".
What you actually want is DRM-free (or close) media that can be shared or sold. Crying about discs makes it easy to ignore. Crying about usage limitations and always-on checks won't make the companies care, but it's at least a feasible request. Something like a collectible access key that handles real time decryption might be interesting, but good chance it ends up with Denuvo-tier performance implications due to a sloppy implementation. Literally as far as possible from the truth as could be. But also not surprising that someone who deals with RMT (unless I'm mistaken and you dont do that anymore) would look at this strictly from a monetary resale value standpoint.
Your concerns are financial.
My concerns are "you will own nothing and be happy".
Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2026-07-01 12:58:45
Your concerns are financial. They're not my concerns, they're my attempt to look at the actual issue.
My concerns are "you will own nothing and be happy". They sure seem DRM-related to me. Does it matter if you have a disc or a saved copy of data if you can play it offline? Does having a disc matter if the console decides it's outdated and can't be played without a server-side update?
A disc is a medium. DRM and always-online are the mechanisms that are used to prevent you keeping your game forever. You can have DRM on a game that has a disc and you can have preservability on a game that doesn't.
If the game is encapsulated in a single .exe or an encapsulated folder that's accessible with your level of knowledge and you can back it up however you want and play it, why would you care that it doesn't have a disc?
Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2026-07-01 12:59:13
Being self employed has just as many, if not more, issues as being employed by someone else. I think a lot of people go in thinking it's going to solve problems that are actually far worse. Even worse is running your own small business. Then not only are you self employed, you employ other people too.
It might be better if your business is big enough to have an accountant and an HR person but I have never been in that position so IDK.
By Viciouss 2026-07-01 13:02:44
Rockstar gave Sony cover to do this by not releasing a physical disk of GTA 6. I would expect Microsoft to follow suit. Disks were a dying breed, this just finishes them off. I switched to digital a few years ago so I won't even notice. Certainly not buying into the lolfearmongering.
Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2026-07-01 13:06:46
Certainly not buying into the lolfearmongering. It stopped being fearmongering when Sony took a huge chunk of purchased media right out of users' libraries. It's a legitimate concern with precedent. If you paid for something under the impression you'd have it for as long as you took care of your credentials/disc, it's wrong for a company to take it away.
Whether an individual is that bothered about a game becoming inaccessible 10 years after it was relevant is more subjective. I would be pretty irked if I couldn't play classics like Super Metroid again once in a while (due to nostalgia). I expect the same would be true of people growing up on the current generation of games. I'm fine with buying digital copies and knowing there's some chance that in the future they won't still be there, but it's probably partly influenced by how forgettable many of the current gen games are.
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By Viciouss 2026-07-01 13:19:00
Like I said the other day, if you paid for something without reading the terms of service (that you agreed to), thats on you. Its all there in the fine print. I certainly do not worry about any of my games being deleted, some of which have been in my library for a decade.
Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2026-07-01 13:23:46
if you paid for something without reading the terms of service (that you agreed to), thats on you Feels like sucking off corporations to me, but you do you. They're legally protected, sure. It's still rabidly anti-consumer to turn minor purchases like games or media into something that you can no longer own. It's also a great stepping stone to massive censorship if the ecosystem proceeds to a point where governments can just shut off problematic games or movies nationwide.
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-07-01 13:37:44
I can think of two games that were unplayable out of the box:
One of the tony hawks
And some xbox game from 2015ish, cant remember the name. Had a blackish grey cover theme, was a shooter type.
I guess 3 because Crimson Desert had a mandatory day 1 patch, but idk if anyone tested if it ran without it.
By Viciouss 2026-07-01 13:44:39
Like I said, I don't buy into the wanton fearmongering. I would be more concerned about price points but I understand the need to complain about things that hurt feelings.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2026-07-01 13:54:26
it's not fearmongering, it's happening.
corps are going to start deleting more and more because it's unsustainable to hold it in perpetuity.
As long as the internet exists, it's "fine" cause you can never not pirate any media that has ever existed, but that's not really the same. 10 years from now though that might not be an option either, if they have their way.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2026-07-01 14:02:25
Even worse is running your own small business. Then not only are you self employed, you employ other people too.
Yea, pretty much. This made me go from being optimistic about everyone I meet to thinking everyone sucks until proven otherwise
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-07-01 14:06:17
Anyone notice he went from “thats a conspiracy” to “thats fearmongering”. I did lol
Anyways
Heres fearmongering:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/06/sony-erases-digital-content-from-libraries-were-reminded-we-dont-own-what-we-buy/
Poof bye
https://gamerant.com/nintendo-switch-cruis-n-blast-delisted-gone-why/
My understanding on this is if you have it downloaded, youre good. Cant buy or redownload it though. Poof bye
https://delistedgames.com/
Poof bye
You will own nothing and be happy
By Viciouss 2026-07-01 14:20:09
it's not fearmongering, it's happening.
corps are going to start deleting more and more because it's unsustainable to hold it in perpetuity.
As long as the internet exists, it's "fine" cause you can never not pirate any media that has ever existed, but that's not really the same. 10 years from now though that might not be an option either, if they have their way.
Deleting what, exactly? What should I be worried about getting deleted off my PS5 here in the US? Movies? Don't own any digital movies. Music? Nothing. That just leaves games. I look at my library and don't see any reason to worry. There are some fringe games I got for free from PS+ that I don't have any hours on, probably have never installed them. But the ones I paid for? Nah, not going anywhere.
Physical disks are finally going away. Doesn't mean anything. The gaming industry powers on.
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-07-01 14:32:24
Quote: Im not affected by this in its current state so who gives a ***
What a *** re…oops, mentally deficient human
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-07-01 14:34:43
Got Eiryl and me on the same side of something
And hes just like “nah theyre both wrong, im right”
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2026-07-01 14:47:53
RA is gone from this corner of the internet, just saw he asked you have his account nuked.
His posts in the modding section will be missed
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By Dodik 2026-07-01 14:53:21
cause you can never not pirate any media
Even with piracy, some old media is hard to find, or hidden behind invite only or pay walls.
Been hoarding my pirated stuff for decades. Might be worth something one day.
Edit - looks like some threads got deleted too.
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-07-01 14:53:25
He doesnt want to risk getting 3 yrs in jail for wrongthink.
I doubt ffxiah dot com is on OPSECs radar though, but who knows. Wasnt Kaffy also from the UK?
By Viciouss 2026-07-01 14:54:03
Quote: Im not affected by this in its current state so who gives a ***
What a *** re…oops, mentally deficient human
Yeah, I don't care about Canadians. Or Brits. The Dutch are cool though. You still haven't made any sort of a point, by the way. So you certainly aren't "right" about anything. Thanks for reporting the news, though.
By Viciouss 2026-07-01 14:55:37
RA is gone from this corner of the internet, just saw he asked you have his account nuked.
His posts in the modding section will be missed
A shame his posts on the website won't be. I'm sure he will come back, he literally always does. Despite the many, many bans.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2026-07-01 14:58:19
RA is gone from this corner of the internet, just saw he asked you have his account nuked.
His posts in the modding section will be missed
A shame his posts on the website won't be. I'm sure he will come back, he literally always does. Despite the many, many bans. no he is banned from the site, at least that is how his discord post read.
By Viciouss 2026-07-01 14:59:26
I'm sure he deserved it. But again, it has happened before.
By Shichishito 2026-07-01 15:00:50
no he is banned from the site, at least that is how his discord post read. By his own request or cause it got a little political in the nuked slurps thread?
By Pantafernando 2026-07-01 15:01:50
This page is a mess.
Im not sure what is going on.
This is a thread that I found on another website I post at. It can be really really interesting. I thought it deserved a place here.
Post your random thoughts for the day here, or anything else that intrigues you.
For starters, is it possible to give constructive critism to someone who doesn't have a neck? I totally just walked by a girl who didn't. Someone isn't getting a necklace for Valentines day!
And who decided black and white can't be colors? I want to say a racist. I really do.
Inb4thisthreadgetsreallywtf
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