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Random Thoughts.....What are you thinking?
By Afania 2024-08-08 13:17:34
(unless you won the birth lottery, of course)
Birth lottery does help you, but it is not necessary. I know a lot of people who were very poor in high school, now they have a lot of money and they are not even 40.
Again, making certain choices in life helps financial situation a great deal. Avoid buying a house and spend money on mortgage is one thing. People like to laugh at people for living in mom's basement but it is in fact one of the best way to save money for investment and retirement.
Not getting married and have kids is a popular life choice in many countries. Because it saves money and time. Invest money and time on assets that generates passive income etc. stock market is a popular choice for passive incomes, but plenty of working professionals also publish books and sell them or run a website for cash flow or something.
Even without UBI I see people do what they love(and make passive income from it) all the time. Current society doesn't stop people from doing any of these things.
You act as if UBI is the only way to do what you want. This IS closemindedness though.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 13:18:16
https://x.com/skynews/status/1821588802206347347
I am to understand that jailing people for talking about things that doesnt align with govt policies is a good thing?
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2024-08-08 13:19:37
UBI is not the only way. It is the easiest and fastest.
We love efficiency.
But we hate letting anyone get a basic footing without struggling for it, *** crabs in a bucket. And we hate anything that changes what has always been. Shameful species.
By Josiahafk 2024-08-08 13:28:25
(unless you won the birth lottery, of course) Birth lottery does help you, but it is not necessary. I know a lot of people who were very poor in high school, now they have a lot of money and they are not even 40. you're missing the true scope of this. They were born in your country, so they already won the birth lottery and have massive advantages over most of the human beings born on the planet etc
By Afania 2024-08-08 13:28:30
Bismarck.Josiahflaming said: »This sentiment of "I need to be a better worker, or else I will be homeless" is great for a profit based system like your country currently has. But the only reason you state it's also good for you because you can't imagine any alternative being better currently.
"Go to work today, or you will lose your home" is not how you make happier people. it's how you make more efficient workers for a more profitable business.
But baby step wise theoretically, try to imagine a life where your basic needs are met and you work to improve the life for you and your family. Capitalism and communism still run the world, but you can put in effort to give your kids more and give yourself and your family a better life than the bare minimums.
And before you say this is impossible. it already exists rudimentarily. We have plenty of reserves in Canada where you can stay on the reserve and collect money from the government and have a home and necessities given to you because Canada took the land from your people and it's owed to your people etc. But people still
make the active decision to leave the reserve where their income and free homes and basic needs are met, to earn more for themselves and their families and pursue careers and education around the world. Not because they will die or be homeless if they don't.
Because they have the ambition to earn more than the free minimums they and their kids are given.
You missed the whole point. The point wasn't "UBI stops people from working". The whole point was "Somebody needs to pay for UBI and that money came from your income or business revenue, which can make people unhappy.".
There are no evidence that one specific economy system is the main reason behind a country scored higher or lower on happiness index. If such evidence existed I would support this system, but they just don't.
I can agree that lower income gap (Gini coefficient) probably leads to happier people. But UBI doesn't fix income gap at all. . Your rich people is still way more rich than poor people, while economy gets *** with higher tax rate. Honestly current social democracy system does a better job at fixing income gap than UBI because at least money goes to people who needs instead of everybody.
It's blind faith to believe in UBI solving every economy problems.
By Afania 2024-08-08 13:29:29
(unless you won the birth lottery, of course) Birth lottery does help you, but it is not necessary. I know a lot of people who were very poor in high school, now they have a lot of money and they are not even 40. you're missing the true scope of this. They were born in your country, so they already won the birth lottery and have massive advantages over most of the human beings born on the planet etc
So how does UBI solve that, if you expand the scope to entire world???
If UBI can't even prove to solve happiness problem in one country, how can it solve even more problems than that?
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2024-08-08 13:32:46
If there's no nationalism based on "others stealing our jobs" there's no need for borders.
Overly simplified, you wouldn't understand or listen to any more depth than that.
(you'll probably bring up religion and/or terrorists, completely missing the point, which is exactly why I said you won't understand)
((spoiler, it's the same answer))
By Afania 2024-08-08 13:34:49
UBI is not the only way. It is the easiest and fastest.
That's a bold statement. Social democracy (welfare etc) is the easiest. It's proven to work to a certain level, and we know how to implement it properly without needing to collect large amount of tax.
UBI hasn't been successful anywhere yet, and the tax it needs is huge, way more than social democracy system. You'll have to deal with millions of social unrest before being able to convince people pay more tax for it.
Which makes it THE hardest path.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 13:37:51
Did Eiryl out himself as a socialist? Lol
By Afania 2024-08-08 13:44:43
Some people win capitalism, 99.9999% don't.
It is a winnable game. (It requires a lot of work, to get there, physical, or mental(Or extreme luck)(Or insider trading))
99.9999%? Where did that came from? According to some data around 45% of whole population in my country can retire without pension. And we have less PPP(purchasing power parity) than the US.
You HAVE to be exaggerating if you think 99.9999% of people in the US can't retire lol. The numbers don't match.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2024-08-08 13:45:35
America is not the only capitalist country.
Quote: There are 197 countries in the world, and over 190 countries are capitalist.
(or pretend to be)
By Afania 2024-08-08 13:46:37
Did Eiryl out himself as a socialist? Lol
Pretty sure Eiryl just hates current society so they believe in whatever proposal that tells people "believe and have a better life" no matter how ridiculous it sounds.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2024-08-08 13:49:17
The only thing I am, and have always been is Anti-Capitialist.
Because we are not capitalists. We are the capital.
(Although, unlike most I am self aware enough to know that had I won the birth lottery into the capitalist class, I'd love it
We're all hypocrites, you're just not self aware enough to admit it, no one in particular)
By Afania 2024-08-08 13:50:05
If there's no nationalism based on "others stealing our jobs" there's no need for borders.
Overly simplified, you wouldn't understand or listen to any more depth than that.
(you'll probably bring up religion and/or terrorists, completely missing the point, which is exactly why I said you won't understand)
((spoiler, it's the same answer))
No, I actually wish there are no borders in the world so I can move to the US or UK and enjoy first world life like everyone else lol.
(FYI, In my country rich people actually do all kinds of things to sneak into the US so their kids can get a US passport and move to the US. That's how valuable it is to "live in the US" for us.)
(Which shows how important the borders are, ironically! Removing borders benefits me, not you.)
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By Bismarck.Josiahflaming 2024-08-08 14:03:02
(FYI, In my country rich people actually do all kinds of things to sneak into the US so their kids can get a US passport and move to the US. That's how valuable it is to "live in the US" for us.)
(Which shows how important the borders are, ironically!) The global differences. I never desired or imagined I would move to the USA and was happy thriving and had even bought a home with family. Exhausted and overworked, but still. thats all countries lol
So moving to the country where cancer is a bankruptcy risk and death instead of covered treatment from taxes was unthinkable.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 14:06:49
https://www.businessinsider.com/ad-group-to-suspend-garm-initiative-following-elon-musk-lawsuit-2024-8
They folded faster than I would if Liv Morgan waved at me.
They got served and folded. If theyre the good guys, why not fight and defend themselves?
By Afania 2024-08-08 14:13:21
America is not the only capitalist country.
Quote: There are 197 countries in the world, and over 190 countries are capitalist.
(or pretend to be)
In other words, being a captalist system or not is completely irrelevant to people's happiness nor how rich/poor they are,
as 190 countries all have different level of happiness index, income gap and GDP under the same system.
Aka, no evidence to prove certain economy system is better than another outside of blind faith. Which is what Eiryl is believing atm.
By Afania 2024-08-08 14:23:29
Bismarck.Josiahflaming said: »(FYI, In my country rich people actually do all kinds of things to sneak into the US so their kids can get a US passport and move to the US. That's how valuable it is to "live in the US" for us.)
(Which shows how important the borders are, ironically!) The global differences. I never desired or imagined I would move to the USA and was happy thriving and had even bought a home with family. Exhausted and overworked, but still. thats all countries lol
So moving to the country where cancer is a bankruptcy risk and death instead of covered treatment from taxes was unthinkable.
To me the benefit of moving to the US:
1) democracy
2) free from war, unless alien invades and attacks US first.
3) more unique job opportunities in tech sectors that doesn't exist elsewhere. Which also pays 5 times better.
Honestly it's very understandable for American to want borders to protect their resources but for non-Americans it is often other way around. Not even nationalism thing.
It's kinda funny to see some Americans saying they don't want borders themselves lol.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2024-08-08 14:28:01
The capitalist class want no one to come in and take it.
The capital class want to get the *** out or make it suck less.
The ones who won want the ladder pulled up and the rest want the ladder lowered.
It's not really complicated. Not unique to America either.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 14:37:28
“Misinformation on X is out of control and needs to be stopped”
And then the so called unbiased media puts ***out like this
https://www.thestar.com/business/opinion/a-broken-canada-no-way-were-wealthier-than-before-the-pandemic-and-the-future-looks/article_4a8b4256-5401-11ef-8251-6f1ba2ef44bd.amp.html
Yes, I make more than I did 5 years ago, but I’m spending even more on the exact same things.
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By Leon Kasai 2024-08-08 14:40:16
That tweet doesn't even mention government policies. She's been arrested for being a piece of ***and spreading blatant misinformation in an attempt to rile up racist violence. And yes, that's a good thing. *** you and anyone else that defends this *** awful behaviour.
By RadialArcana 2024-08-08 14:42:11
Inflation is the trick the banks, corporations and governments play on the populations, to make them think they are better off when they are actually worse off.
It's sad how well it works on most people.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2024-08-08 14:48:28
People are stupid, shock, they're easily manipulated with lies.
And clickbait. And buzzwords. And slogans. And shiny objects.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2024-08-08 14:53:39
I think I'm going to start characterizing other economic schools of thought in the same way that Eiryl tries to characterize capitalism.
I'll say things like: The whole point of socialism is the genocide at the end.
It'll be great.
[+]
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2024-08-08 14:55:44
If the end results in less/no humans, it is a win. So, I'm on board.
Yes, even that, I wouldn't type it if I were you.
That too, again, type it at your own peril.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 14:56:52
That tweet doesn't even mention government policies. She's been arrested for being a piece of ***and spreading blatant misinformation in an attempt to rile up racist violence. And yes, that's a good thing. *** you and anyone else that defends this *** awful behaviour. And what did the post say?
They didnt mention what the comment was. Clearly you do know what it was, so what was so bad that they deserved to be put to jail?
By Afania 2024-08-08 15:00:10
The capitalist class want no one to come in and take it.
It's already 2024 and people still talk about "capitalist class" as if it's 1860 or something.....
If you ever put your money in stock market, real estate, bonds, crypto currency or 401k or retirement account of any kind, you are a "captalist class".
If you ever run a business, such as a restaurant or local grocery store, you are a "captalist class".
If you ever publish books, music, art, or a software and sell them for money, you are a "captalist class".
Pretty sure that's higher than 99.999% of people in 2024.
The greatest part of the society is that you can be a "captalist class" very easily these days, which allows you to do whatever you want with life.
Enjoy planting flowers as hobby? Nobody stops you from selling your flowers in the market. That's about as free as one can imagine.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2024-08-08 15:01:25
The capitalist class want no one to come in and take it.
It's already 2024 and people still talk about "capitalist class" as if it's 1860 or something.....
If you ever put your money in stock market, real estate, bonds, crypto currency or 401k or retirement account of any kind, you are a "captalist class".
If you ever run a business, such as a restaurant or local grocery store, you are a "captalist class".
If you ever publish books, music, art, or a software and sell them for money, you are a "captalist class".
Pretty sure that's higher than 99.999% of people in 2024. Thats adorbs you believe that
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 15:03:19
Found it
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/woman-accused-being-first-spread-29698737
Quote: "Ali Al-Shakati was the suspect, he was an asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year and was on an MI6 watch list. If this is true, then all hell is about to break loose."
Jail for this lmfaoooo
She literally includes her cast of doubt in the validity of the claim.
Besr in mind the police also refused to give any details on the guy who murdered three children because “hes under 18”.
But most importantly: She said no lies.
By Afania 2024-08-08 15:08:16
The capitalist class want no one to come in and take it.
It's already 2024 and people still talk about "capitalist class" as if it's 1860 or something.....
If you ever put your money in stock market, real estate, bonds, crypto currency or 401k or retirement account of any kind, you are a "captalist class".
If you ever run a business, such as a restaurant or local grocery store, you are a "captalist class".
If you ever publish books, music, art, or a software and sell them for money, you are a "captalist class".
Pretty sure that's higher than 99.999% of people in 2024. Thats adorbs you believe that
It's literally the definition of "captalist class" in classic Marxist theory lol.
Captalist class according to classic definition: people who owns the money making property.
If you have different definition, that definition is not classic one. I only go by the classic definition on this term.
Please don't tell me you claim to be "anti-capitalist" but don't even know what the whole theory is about.
This is a thread that I found on another website I post at. It can be really really interesting. I thought it deserved a place here.
Post your random thoughts for the day here, or anything else that intrigues you.
For starters, is it possible to give constructive critism to someone who doesn't have a neck? I totally just walked by a girl who didn't. Someone isn't getting a necklace for Valentines day!
And who decided black and white can't be colors? I want to say a racist. I really do.
Inb4thisthreadgetsreallywtf
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