Wow Alec Baldwin's case got tossed completely. Never should have been charged to begin with, but withholding evidence from the defense is inexcusable. People are going to get fired for that one.
Wow Alec Baldwin's case got tossed completely. Never should have been charged to begin with, but withholding evidence from the defense is inexcusable. People are going to get fired for that one.
I see you are totally unfamiliar with the criminal justice system here in the USA.
Hint: there is a reason why it is called criminal justice.
Literally preschool antics where if you say one word incorrectly guilt is decided. It'd be more honest if they just screamed nuh-uh at each other until one lost their voice deciding the trial.
It's all drill and ceremony and no substance.
You see when you filed the complaint you put that it was July 12th instead of July 13th so the whole case is void.
And trial by jury is just a contest to see who can manipulate stupid *** better. There's no "justice" in letting 12 slackjawded, room temperature IQ, illiterate high school drop outs decide validity of facts.
And trial by jury is just a contest to see who can manipulate stupid *** better. There's no "justice" in letting 12 slackjawded, room temperature IQ, illiterate high school drop outs decide validity of facts.
This is true, but it's usually going to be the better funded lawyer that can manipulate those people better. Well, excepting high-profile cases, where the syndicated media decides public opinion and ensures the jury will agree with it.
You can literally change the word "justice" to "humanity" and it'll lead to the same conclusion.
I can not imagination totally unbiased flawless justice system that can even exist anywhere. Human minds are going to be biased to a certain degree no matter what, that's how human brain works. it's just the matter who and which system is relatively more unbiased than another.
Also inb4 "just let AI overlord judge people so no human bias!". No thanks. Plenty of movies and anime already showed us how the world will be like if we let AI judge people.
tl;Dr: this problem will never have perfect solution imo, just relatively (bolded for importance) better solution with better systems.
sad truth is in its raw design, we probably have one of the better justice systems even possible in human society, in large part because as least we've built in do-overs with an appeals system.
Of course its eons away from perfect, but at least its an admission that the system has flaws, and we have a mechanism in place to try and address them.
As Afania said though, please no championing "just let AI handle it"....the faults mentioned prior all seem to agree that money results in the imbalances we see, perhaps one option is to remove the aspect of private legal defense from the system in the ways that prosecution is handled by public officials. Again, I can't see the system ever being perfect, but perhaps we can attack some of the things hampering that system from at least doing its best.
"AI" lawyers (once the tech is better in 5 years or so) for all would be far better than what we have now where only the rich get good legal aid. You could make that argument for many things actually, including health care.
AI we have now isn't even AI at all, it's false advertising.
Are there any evidence or data to support that more expensive lawyers = higher chance to win in American justice system?
Because I am personally not seeing how hiring expensive lawyers always leads to better results. Lawyers are not magic, evidence still plays far bigger role on determining who win or lose afaik.
It's common sense that you get what you pay for. Not to mention wealth affords settlement and favorable terms for said settlement.
And that free lawyers do, as expected, the bare minimum (less than)
A free AI lawyer with infinite time and infinite knowledge is VASTLY superior to a court appointed lawyer. Purely presentation of fact, a machine will undeniably excel at. (when said machine can understand fact from disinformation)*
Bill Gates could eat kids in the street and he wouldn't goto jail.
That is exaggerating, lol.
Even good Lawyers can't destroy evidences, they are good at "lawyering" which is gaining a slight advantage in arguable grey areas. If you have undeniable evidence even the best lawyers don't have magic to change facts.
we probably have one of the better justice systems
It's kinda funny, because in my country we actually believed US justice system is one of the best in the world and proceed to copy it. Over the years it changed more and more like the US.
And yet real Americans here complained about it hardcore. Grass is greener on the other side I guess.....
"AI" lawyers (once the tech is better in 5 years or so) for all would be far better than what we have now where only the rich get good legal aid. You could make that argument for many things actually, including health care.
AI we have now isn't even AI at all, it's false advertising.
Are there any evidence or data to support that more expensive lawyers = higher chance to win in American justice system?
Because I am personally not seeing how hiring expensive lawyers always leads to better results. Lawyers are not magic, evidence still plays far bigger role on determining who win or lose afaik.
money doesn't buy you just one lawyer. you pay the firm. you get a team of lawyers.
It's kinda funny, because in my country we actually believed US justice system is one of the best in the world and proceed to copy it. Over the years it changed more and more like the US.
And yet real Americans here complained about it hardcore. Grass is greener on the other side I guess.....
As with all things, it's "perfect" in theory and extremely flawed in practice.
Because humans are the flaw in the system. Easily manipulated, easily distracted, easily corrupted, and generally dumb as bricks.
It's kinda funny, because in my country we actually believed US justice system is one of the best in the world and proceed to copy it. Over the years it changed more and more like the US.
And yet real Americans here complained about it hardcore. Grass is greener on the other side I guess.....
As with all things, it's "perfect" in theory and extremely flawed in practice.
Because humans are the flaw in the system.
But human has to be the one who judge no?
Judges can be bribed and be biased, at least in the US it is relatively(bolded for the 3rd time) less of a problem with
trial by jury.
(Yes, bribing and social trust has been a big problem in other less developed countries, surprise!)
Who can be payed by the cops or prosecutors to lie. Happens all the time. But hey! Qualified immunity strikes again. Also eye witness testimony is unreliable.
There have been cases where a search warrant to search property lead to finding the weapon or worse that was used in a crime, and that never being told to the jury because the paperwork wasn't properly signed for the search warrant. This is a technicality that can destroy a case and set a guilty person free.
This is "the fruit of the poisonous tree." And is actually a vital tool for defense.
Only recently have we begun to hold cops responsible for erogenous conduct or even murder. Prosecutors still always get away with gross malfeasance.
yeah, as others have stated more completely above, by paying more you get access to the resources and tools of an entire firm, not just a single person, and 'destroying evidence' isn't really 'destroying'.
As someone not professionally connected at all with law, I've always seen it as a chess match of sorts. You could have a natural savant play against a 30-year veteran who are both FIDE-ranked equally, but that veteran still has an insane advantage simply due to years of studying different openings and tactics....just the raw time.
And when someone spends copious amounts to hire a law firm, they get the time in saddle of all those combined resources and people, not just one court-appointed lawyer. Not even their fault, just raw scaling of the numbers that can't be competed with.
Regarding the 'destroying' bit- all those added years of experience and time learning means that those larger firms and more expensive legal defense teams can pour over each aspect of a case deeper, and find procedural errors that could exclude a piece of evidence from a case...in reality that evidence is still from that crime and still accurate, it may just have been processed wrong or handled wrong at some point along the chain. That's the 'destroying' being referred to.
This is a thread that I found on another website I post at. It can be really really interesting. I thought it deserved a place here.
Post your random thoughts for the day here, or anything else that intrigues you.
For starters, is it possible to give constructive critism to someone who doesn't have a neck? I totally just walked by a girl who didn't. Someone isn't getting a necklace for Valentines day!
And who decided black and white can't be colors? I want to say a racist. I really do.