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For those who made newyear resolutions on weight loss, they came up with a new word "overfat" and according to this cake/pie chart almost everyone is overfat or worse.
Asura.Vienner said: » For those who made newyear resolutions on weight loss, they came up with a new word "overfat" and according to this cake/pie chart almost everyone is overfat or worse. lol and they put it on a pie chart XD
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  lmao My brothers got this cold i have as well. He's been at his friends for the last two days, and has come home like "Is lina ill too?"
They've been nursing him in bristol Happens when making out with someone who has a cold to catch it too!
Asura.Vienner said: » For those who made newyear resolutions on weight loss, they came up with a new word "overfat" and according to this cake/pie chart almost everyone is overfat or worse. What the hell is this even from? Putting "overweight and obese" together is problematic in and of itself. BMI 25-30 is significantly different from 30-35. 25-30 isn't ideal* but it's also not incredibly awful, whereas 30+ actually does significantly increase your risk of metabolic and joint-related disorders. No to mention it doesn't even include BMIs or body fat percentages for these ranges? *using BMI as it applies to most people. The "BMI is bad because athletes and bodybuilders" is idiotic as most people aren't even close to approaching the type of muscle mass and low body fat needed to make that apply.
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Ramyrez said: » The "BMI is bad because athletes and bodybuilders" is idiotic as most people aren't even close to approaching the type of muscle mass and low body fat needed to make that apply. Citation needed as it's a stupid scale. Jetackuu said: » Ramyrez said: » The "BMI is bad because athletes and bodybuilders" is idiotic as most people aren't even close to approaching the type of muscle mass and low body fat needed to make that apply. Citation needed as it's a stupid scale. No, it's not stupid. It's imperfect and can't be used optimally without other input and individual considerations, but it's not stupid. Edit: also, pedantry aside, the point I was actually making remains. The graph is decidedly lacking in any solid information.
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Ramyrez said: » Asura.Vienner said: » For those who made newyear resolutions on weight loss, they came up with a new word "overfat" and according to this cake/pie chart almost everyone is overfat or worse. What the hell is this even from? Putting "overweight and obese" together is problematic in and of itself. BMI 25-30 is significantly different from 30-35. 25-30 isn't ideal* but it's also not incredibly awful, whereas 30+ actually does significantly increase your risk of metabolic and joint-related disorders. No to mention it doesn't even include BMIs or body fat percentages for these ranges?
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Ramyrez said: » Jetackuu said: » Ramyrez said: » The "BMI is bad because athletes and bodybuilders" is idiotic as most people aren't even close to approaching the type of muscle mass and low body fat needed to make that apply. Citation needed as it's a stupid scale. No, it's not stupid. It's imperfect and can't be used optimally without other input and individual considerations, but it's not stupid. Edit: also, pedantry aside, the point I was actually making remains. The graph is decidedly lacking in any solid information. Yet it is. It was never intended to be used to measure what it's used to measure, even the creator of the formula said it's flawed and why. At the least it's unscientific and there's better methods to be used. It's one measurement. No one single measurement can gauge your overall health or fitness. It's a starting point and that's all. There are better methods that can be employed, yes, but none that are as readily available without additional measurements and (potentially) equipment.
And all of this is irrelevant because (I'm estimating) 90% of the people who cry about BMI being "inaccurate representations of health" are really fat people who don't want to admit that their obesity is a huge health problem. Ramyrez said: » Asura.Vienner said: » For those who made newyear resolutions on weight loss, they came up with a new word "overfat" and according to this cake/pie chart almost everyone is overfat or worse. What the hell is this even from? Putting "overweight and obese" together is problematic in and of itself. BMI 25-30 is significantly different from 30-35. 25-30 isn't ideal* but it's also not incredibly awful, whereas 30+ actually does significantly increase your risk of metabolic and joint-related disorders. No to mention it doesn't even include BMIs or body fat percentages for these ranges? *using BMI as it applies to most people. The "BMI is bad because athletes and bodybuilders" is idiotic as most people aren't even close to approaching the type of muscle mass and low body fat needed to make that apply. its quite an intresting article, and they do say that only taking BMI into concideration is very vague and doesnt apply to everyone. Ramyrez said: » It's one measurement. No one single measurement can gauge your overall health or fitness. It's a starting point and that's all. There are better methods that can be employed, yes, but none that are as readily available without additional measurements and (potentially) equipment. And all of this is irrelevant because (I'm estimating) 90% of the people who cry about BMI being "inaccurate representations of health" are really fat people who don't want to admit that their obesity is a huge health problem. So is this graph trying to tell me that India and China, the sources of over half of the world's population, have at least a third of their combined population as overweight/obese?
Hahaha
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Asura.Vienner said: » I always think its funny people talk about people with high BMI as a health risk while vice versa with low BMI (underweight) there are other health risks which are as dangerous. This is a social issue, though. It's more socially acceptable to be "too skinny." Also a problem, just not the one I'm highlighting at the moment. BMI isn't awesome. But it isn't the boogeyman a lot of people seem to think it is, either. It is imperfect, it is not entirely useless. I don't want to defend it to stalwartly, as it does have major flaws and shouldn't be used alone for anything, especially not for determining costs of treatment nor insurance premiums. But people who complain that it misrepresents them are -- in the U.S. at least -- frequently people who are using this as a bit of dodge to excuse their obesity. Ramyrez said: » It's utter crap and that's all. Ramyrez said: » And all of this is irrelevant because (I'm estimating) 90% of the people who cry about BMI being "inaccurate representations of health" are really fat people who don't want to admit that their obesity is a huge health problem. Okay, wizard and knower of everything.
What's a better starting point that's as easily calculable? Ramyrez said: » This is a social issue, though. It's more socially acceptable to be "too skinny." It gets kinda weird at times when you get asked daily about it. Jetackuu said: » Again: citation needed. I didn't say 90% of the scientific criticism leveled at it. I said "people crying." Talking about the internet here. Not rational discussion in peer-reviewed articles. Ramyrez said: » Okay, wizard and knower of everything. What's a better starting point that's as easily calculable? That's the thing it's not an easy calculation. Hence why it's utter garbage and should be treated as such. There's different measurements for different things, you want a single scale for overall fitness? HA! But for the lulz: http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/articles/health/alternatives-to-bmi.php Ramyrez said: » What's a better starting point that's as easily calculable? Fat people bleed pretty well, from my experience. /takes a few more samples. Also: My need to create an ocean of blood is rising.
/brings out the machete. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Also: My need to create an ocean of blood is rising. /brings out the machete. Start with Chicago
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Asura.Vienner said: » Its not socially accepted, Maybe not in Belgium then, I guess? I'm sorry the people you run into daily are shitty. I don't know what to tell you. I can tell you that, here in the States at least, we do not have an epidemic of skinniness. Yes, we have people with eating disorders and people going hungry, and both are problems that need addressed. But not nearly on the scale of the obesity problem.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Also: My need to create an ocean of blood is rising. /brings out the machete. Start with Chicago
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Then stop promoting BMI, as it's utter garbage. It's not even good for what it was designed for.
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