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Random Thoughts.....What are you thinking?
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2015-08-19 13:28:50
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »Make Isack check his PMs, Spath lol I have no control over Isack. ._.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-08-19 13:29:26
Oh maybe you're not on XIV lol
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2015-08-19 13:30:12
I'm... half on.
He's been informed. Though he may be afk.
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By Asura.Ackeronll 2015-08-19 13:32:49
YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!
By Jetackuu 2015-08-19 13:33:41
Hello from the sea..it rains :| Ah, /comfort.
Which SNES emulator do you guys recommend using? I used to use something called SNES9X. I'd like one with a Turbo mode, but IIRC, the Turbo mode in SNES9X was super fast, and you couldn't adjust the speed. I never use/used Turbo mode so not sure on that part.
ZSNES was and still is the best SNES emulator for the PC.
SNES9X is basically the go to emulator that was made for porting to pretty much any device/system.
Both are great and work near perfectly.
But ZSNES was originally made 100% in ASM and thus always had a slight edge over SNES9X, especially in reliability and speed.
I remember when the ZSNES team finally decided to make a windows port, that's when they had to use some C++. However, the core is still 100% ASM. It's a shame they stopped working on it.
SNES9X, I think, still has the occasional sporadic update. They definitely continued to work on it way past when the ZSNES team retired. However, SNES9X changed hands maybe a year or two after ZSNES retired.
Summary is both are great. On PC ZSNES has an edge in performance that can't be beaten (ASM core) and if I recall compatibility. The latter could have changed with the latest versions of SNES9X. SNES9X is the go to for porting to any device that can handle it.
znes is rather outdated, I don't know anyone who still uses it.
I'd pretty much go with SNES9x, or if you want accurate BSNES.
Emulators like ZSNES are a f***** disaster because they screw the way people hack roms. Because of it's inaccuracies there are plenty of romhacks which only work in it.
When "repro" making became popular people started to wonder why the hacked games would not work on the real thing. That's my main gripe with these older emulators. They had their place in history but avoid them now. People still use them only to play these romhacks.
An accurate emulator (something like BSNES, for example) would fail playing a flawed romhack for the same reasons the said game fails running on the real hardware. I never hacked ROMs, just played the game so I have no experience in that area. As far as just playing the game with near perfect reliability and speed, ZSNES is the way to go. If you do all that other stuff then clearly SNES9X. 100% solid ASM engine took a lot of effort and dedication.
I think I messed around with this one when it first came out.
It's up to par with SNES9X now?
Like I said: ZNES is outdated. BSNES is for those like accuracy above all else, and I'm aware of a few games that require accuracy due to the way they're coded on their timing.
SNES9X is where it's at these days, unless you need one of the others for something it's where it's at.
edit: basically ZSNES is highly inaccurate for an emulator, SNES9x is most of the way (and because you can use it's core, you can actually use a zsnes frontend with the snes9x core and play that way if you prefer the zsnes layout of the gui, similar to how retroarch can use snes9x's core.)
BSNES and Higan are arguably the most accurate, and needed in a few rare instances, I'm sure Leo could say off the top of their head but I'm not sure without looking it up. I do know that ZSNES has issues with a lot of chips, and one of my favorite games: SMRPG.
I have my qualms with retroarch on android though, mostly because I can't (at least at the time I couldn't) set a save/load folder for each core type meaning I'd have to have all of my games in one folder or renavigate each time I wanted to switch between say SNES or PSX, annoying.
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2015-08-19 13:35:51
YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME! See, I told ya.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-08-19 14:02:55
Hello from the sea..it rains :| Ah, /comfort.
Which SNES emulator do you guys recommend using? I used to use something called SNES9X. I'd like one with a Turbo mode, but IIRC, the Turbo mode in SNES9X was super fast, and you couldn't adjust the speed. I never use/used Turbo mode so not sure on that part.
ZSNES was and still is the best SNES emulator for the PC.
SNES9X is basically the go to emulator that was made for porting to pretty much any device/system.
Both are great and work near perfectly.
But ZSNES was originally made 100% in ASM and thus always had a slight edge over SNES9X, especially in reliability and speed.
I remember when the ZSNES team finally decided to make a windows port, that's when they had to use some C++. However, the core is still 100% ASM. It's a shame they stopped working on it.
SNES9X, I think, still has the occasional sporadic update. They definitely continued to work on it way past when the ZSNES team retired. However, SNES9X changed hands maybe a year or two after ZSNES retired.
Summary is both are great. On PC ZSNES has an edge in performance that can't be beaten (ASM core) and if I recall compatibility. The latter could have changed with the latest versions of SNES9X. SNES9X is the go to for porting to any device that can handle it.
znes is rather outdated, I don't know anyone who still uses it.
I'd pretty much go with SNES9x, or if you want accurate BSNES.
Emulators like ZSNES are a f***** disaster because they screw the way people hack roms. Because of it's inaccuracies there are plenty of romhacks which only work in it.
When "repro" making became popular people started to wonder why the hacked games would not work on the real thing. That's my main gripe with these older emulators. They had their place in history but avoid them now. People still use them only to play these romhacks.
An accurate emulator (something like BSNES, for example) would fail playing a flawed romhack for the same reasons the said game fails running on the real hardware. I never hacked ROMs, just played the game so I have no experience in that area. As far as just playing the game with near perfect reliability and speed, ZSNES is the way to go. If you do all that other stuff then clearly SNES9X. 100% solid ASM engine took a lot of effort and dedication.
I think I messed around with this one when it first came out.
It's up to par with SNES9X now?
Like I said: ZNES is outdated. BSNES is for those like accuracy above all else, and I'm aware of a few games that require accuracy due to the way they're coded on their timing.
SNES9X is where it's at these days, unless you need one of the others for something it's where it's at.
edit: basically ZSNES is highly inaccurate for an emulator, SNES9x is most of the way (and because you can use it's core, you can actually use a zsnes frontend with the snes9x core and play that way if you prefer the zsnes layout of the gui, similar to how retroarch can use snes9x's core.)
BSNES and Higan are arguably the most accurate, and needed in a few rare instances, I'm sure Leo could say off the top of their head but I'm not sure without looking it up. I do know that ZSNES has issues with a lot of chips, and one of my favorite games: SMRPG.
I have my qualms with retroarch on android though, mostly because I can't (at least at the time I couldn't) set a save/load folder for each core type meaning I'd have to have all of my games in one folder or renavigate each time I wanted to switch between say SNES or PSX, annoying. I get it, we're not going to agree on ZSNES and the feat that it accomplished.
As for BSNES, so then they definitely improved on it significantly. But still not on par with SNES9X? Is it still active?
Never even heard of Higan. How's that one?
By Jetackuu 2015-08-19 14:06:20
I wouldn't say "on par" as it tries to accomplish different things.
I'm not disagreeing that ZSNES is fast, it is fast but it's also inaccurate as hell and SNES9X is better on many levels.
As far as I'm aware BSNES is active, don't really use it I just know of it and what it's goal is.
Higan like BSNES strives for accuracy, if my source is accurate it's the only on that can handle certain scan types, aka a few games (would have to look them up and I'm sure they're obscure as hell).
ZSNES was cool like when Nesticle was, and well, lol.
edit: also SNES9X is supposed to have 100% sound accuracy, which ZSNES most certainly does not. For those who like their sound accuracy, that's a big deal.
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By Bahamut.Soraishin 2015-08-19 14:40:14
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By leo 2015-08-19 16:48:16
I wouldn't say "on par" as it tries to accomplish different things.
I'm not disagreeing that ZSNES is fast, it is fast but it's also inaccurate as hell and SNES9X is better on many levels.
As far as I'm aware BSNES is active, don't really use it I just know of it and what it's goal is.
Higan like BSNES strives for accuracy, if my source is accurate it's the only on that can handle certain scan types, aka a few games (would have to look them up and I'm sure they're obscure as hell).
ZSNES was cool like when Nesticle was, and well, lol.
edit: also SNES9X is supposed to have 100% sound accuracy, which ZSNES most certainly does not. For those who like their sound accuracy, that's a big deal.
Nesticle is bad and should not even be mentioned. Genecyst too. Crappy emulators people used on 486 computers. Seriously. -_-;
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By Sylph.Kyogi 2015-08-19 16:58:44
Bahamut.Soraishin said: »
That was pretty much me in a nutshell, especially when they had double flotsam >w<
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By Bismarck.Misao 2015-08-19 17:13:27
dafuq is moogle garden
/doesn't really want to know
By Artemicion 2015-08-19 17:18:59
I forgot how slow ripping lossless can be. Started twenty minutes ago, and only now begun track 3/21 on the first of four discs ._.
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2015-08-19 17:29:40
I got 2 keys for the gobbiebox from accoloades and got
a Deed of Moderation and a Second Virtue, the two pops for Jailer of Justice
think Rewardox is trying to tell me something???
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-08-19 17:30:51
I wouldn't say "on par" as it tries to accomplish different things.
I'm not disagreeing that ZSNES is fast, it is fast but it's also inaccurate as hell and SNES9X is better on many levels.
As far as I'm aware BSNES is active, don't really use it I just know of it and what it's goal is.
Higan like BSNES strives for accuracy, if my source is accurate it's the only on that can handle certain scan types, aka a few games (would have to look them up and I'm sure they're obscure as hell).
ZSNES was cool like when Nesticle was, and well, lol.
edit: also SNES9X is supposed to have 100% sound accuracy, which ZSNES most certainly does not. For those who like their sound accuracy, that's a big deal. It's a shame that by now all these developers haven't gotten together and made one ultimate emulator for the SNES once and for all. Something in which could be easily ported to any system with minimal modifications in the future.
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By Leon Kasai 2015-08-19 17:30:53
Oh wow. People shitting themselves over the UC 0096 update to MSGO because of stats from *** guidebooks and model kit manuals.
We don't have a single piece of info about the Jesta's cost or how it plays, but because it's model kit says it's generator output is 10,000kw higher than the GM, that totally means it's going to ruin the game and everything everywhere will explode forever.
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By Artemicion 2015-08-19 17:41:33
If anyone is interested in a copy, PM me.
By leo 2015-08-19 17:53:27
I forgot how slow ripping lossless can be. Started twenty minutes ago, and only now begun track 3/21 on the first of four discs ._.
Are you ripping RAW with ECC before converting? :P (RAW with CD error correction data aka BIN/CUE)
Honestly convert something to FLAC from PCM on my PC is almost instantaneous. The only thing that could make it so slow is read a disc at 1X raw. >.>
By Artemicion 2015-08-19 17:58:47
I have the drive capped at 4x to improve read and write accuracy, and the cd is initially ripped in WAV then subsequently converted into FLAC from my software. The reason why it's so slow is because I have a slow read test to check for errors prior to writing right off the bat.
Also I don't think RAW with ECC would work unless I had buffered RAM right?
By leo 2015-08-19 18:02:23
It's a shame that by now all these developers haven't gotten together and made one ultimate emulator for the SNES once and for all. Something in which could be easily ported to any system with minimal modifications in the future.
Repros, SuperEverDrive, SD2SNES, SNES Power Pack. Pick yet poison.
None of these do SA1 (Mario RPG) or S-DD1 (Star Ocean, Street Fighter Zero/Alpha2) games though...
The best "emulator" is the real thing. :P
By leo 2015-08-19 18:09:46
I have the drive capped at 4x to improve read and write accuracy, and the cd is initially ripped in WAV then subsequently converted into FLAC from my software. The reason why it's so slow is because I have a slow read test to check for errors prior to writing right off the bat.
Also I don't think RAW with ECC would work unless I had buffered RAM right?
ECC on optical media has nothing to do with ECC on the computer ram (buffered memory). It's about storing some information so the CD drive can reconstruct the data in case of scratches at the disc surface.
Similar to the buffered memory which has extra ECC data for allowing the computer chipset to repair bit errors on the stored data in case of malfunctions. It's used on critical systems (finances, security, manufacturing and science computers) to protect against loss of data or system crashes.
You only need to care about raw/cooked on disc images if you planned to make copies of the actual CD and if it was a PlayStation game. Music CDs can have special ECC data in them but then it would just be silly protections against copy. ;)
Copying them as WAV is perfectly fine for the purpose of archiving the music for playback on other devices.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-08-19 18:10:53
None of these do SA1 (Mario RPG) That's definitely a must to be even considered an ultimate emulator.
Even ZSNES could handle that one... almost :P There was one or two freeze issues if I recall that required a workaround.
By Artemicion 2015-08-19 18:14:26
Copying them as WAV is perfectly fine for the purpose of archiving the music for playback on other devices.
That's a bingo!
And if I remember correctly, my software has a feature similar to ECC in which it seeks an online database for any data that failed during the ripping process due to errors or minor scratches. Obviously major scratches would prevent any further reading, thus writing forward from that point unless you opt to skip that track(s).
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-08-19 18:21:53
I would pay good money too, for a solid stable upscaling snes emulator that's plays anything intuitively and they could even charge like 50 cents per game to download for it.
It's too bad the original devs don't take advantage That would be an awesome idea, although pricing would be more like $50 for the program and $2-$5 for games. They could even allow people to develop new 16 bit games and have free ones with ads, lol.
It has the potential to be a good business idea.
By Artemicion 2015-08-19 18:40:44
I'm so confused. For some reason, some of these tracks appear to be labeled in Chinese; despite being a Japanese game. I wonder why?
By Jetackuu 2015-08-19 18:47:19
Nesticle is bad and should not even be mentioned. Genecyst too. Crappy emulators people used on 486 computers. Seriously. -_-; It was a joke.
It's a shame that by now all these developers haven't gotten together and made one ultimate emulator for the SNES once and for all. Something in which could be easily ported to any system with minimal modifications in the future.
Repros, SuperEverDrive, SD2SNES, SNES Power Pack. Pick yet poison.
None of these do SA1 (Mario RPG) or S-DD1 (Star Ocean, Street Fighter Zero/Alpha2) games though...
The best "emulator" is the real thing. :P
Those are flash carts, not emulators...
But while we're on carts there was one that was supposed to do most of those things, but I think the guy got sidetracked, I'll have to find a link to the project later.
That's definitely a must to be even considered an ultimate emulator.
Even ZSNES could handle that one... almost :P There was one or two freeze issues if I recall that required a workaround.
Those aren't emulators, just flash carts.
SNES9X can handle SMRPG.
what are you using?
By Artemicion 2015-08-19 18:52:44
This is a thread that I found on another website I post at. It can be really really interesting. I thought it deserved a place here.
Post your random thoughts for the day here, or anything else that intrigues you.
For starters, is it possible to give constructive critism to someone who doesn't have a neck? I totally just walked by a girl who didn't. Someone isn't getting a necklace for Valentines day!
And who decided black and white can't be colors? I want to say a racist. I really do.
Inb4thisthreadgetsreallywtf
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