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 Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-01 22:19:07
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What is starting to grind my gears.

People who say that "XXXX is just wrong" without putting anything against saying why XXXX is wrong >.>

Stupid people use that excuse to prove their stupidity.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-01 22:22:33
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Korpg said:
What is starting to grind my gears.

People who say that "XXXX is just wrong" without putting anything against saying why XXXX is wrong >.>

Stupid people use that excuse to prove their stupidity.


Korpg said:
I might understand people getting +1 gear if the price is only like 1.5 times the NQ price (at most), but not 10-15 times the price of NQ. Thats just stupid.


Oh, I agree =)
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-01 22:25:15
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wtf.

I got quoted twice, and Wooooodum didn't flame me at all?

Is it opposite day or something? Was I supposed to go to school in a dress today? I guess I missed the memo.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-01 22:26:30
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Korpg said:
Is it opposite day or something


No. You got whoosh'd. Lol.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-01 22:28:21
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Wooooodum said:
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No. You got whoosh'd. Lol.


So, explain then. I think you whooshed a lot of people.

My points that you quote still stand. They don't contradict themselves at all.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-01 22:28:49
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Korpg said:
So, explain then. I think you whooshed a lot of people.


Nobody else has replied <.<
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-01 22:30:20
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Wooooodum said:


Nobody else has replied <.<


Thats because our back-to-back replies came within 20 seconds to a minute of each other.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-01 22:31:58
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Korpg said:
Thats because our back-to-back replies came within 20 seconds to a minute of each other.


Then how do you know I whooshed a lot of people :p
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-01 22:32:44
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Wooooodum said:
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Then how do you know I whooshed a lot of people :p


Because I doubt that I'm the only one who didn't get the point you were trying to make.

So please, make your point.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-01 22:33:26
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{No thanks.}

The more you post, the more you reinforce my point =)
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By Asura.Malekith 2009-03-01 22:35:55
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So just a question when comparing HQ to NQ prices and thinking that a huge multiple in the price difference is generally bad...

Where do folks stand with respect to HQ elemental staves vs. NQ?

HQ staves are pricey all else and for many they retail at many times their NQ counterpart. However, they're well worth it...

Nothing grinds my gear more than seeing a BLM with good gear like Morrigan pieces, Mahatma, and Genie BUT ALSO WEAR NQ staves and prism cape... stuff like that drives me up the wall...
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-01 22:38:46
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The 8 HQ Staves are possibly the greatest most important investment mages can make in the course of their game. Once you have them, you will probably never sell them ever again. Every one has its purpose for varying jobs and with people who have multiple jobs, paying the extra for the HQ is well worth it, undisputabely. Unlike almost all other NQ <=> HQ (I do agree with Korpg on that point, the difference is minimal and sometimes not worth it, though I'm personally a sucker for HQ stuff), they're well worth the extra money. The bonuses and benifits the HQ gives compared to the NQ's is just... Immeasurable.

That's my opinion anyway. So of course, it's obviously true. 100%! It's the Mithra in me.
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-03-01 22:44:39
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Wooooodum said:
Korpg said:
What is starting to grind my gears.

People who say that "XXXX is just wrong" without putting anything against saying why XXXX is wrong >.>

Stupid people use that excuse to prove their stupidity.


Korpg said:
I might understand people getting +1 gear if the price is only like 1.5 times the NQ price (at most), but not 10-15 times the price of NQ. Thats just stupid.


Oh, I agree =)

/shares a laugh with Wooooodum

edit:apparently your name has FIVE o's!
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-01 22:47:27
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Wooooodum said:
{No thanks.}

The more you post, the more you reinforce my point =)


The point you so far lack of.

I concede to the HQ staffs fact. I own 7/8 HQ staffs (as far as I'm concerned, HQ light is worthless) because the price of the HQ is worth it (NQ staffs are too cheap in my opinion, I don't think 10-20k per staff is doing the usefulness of the staffs justice).

I also agree with you Wooooodum, that NQ <=> HQ in most aspects (HQ Auster's Robe for SMN is much better than NQ, just for the avatar perp cost, but SMN doublet is much better than HQ Auster's Robe) and do not see that the price (10-15 times the price for cursed gear -1 for example) of certain pieces worth it.

People who equip the best gear possible is their choice. As long as you don't have to pay for the HQ (know somebody who is a level 100 Smither and get them to smith you a HQ Hauberk, that way, you don't have to pay 3.5-4.5 mil for a Hauberk +1) then thats ok. Buying equipment just to show that you have money (i.e. all your ***is non-signed HQ stuff, tends to lead people to think you are a gilbuyer) is not.
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By Asura.Reublucian 2009-03-01 22:47:48
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I'm not doing it to bypass tax, I'm just doing it to see if anyone might be interested in the item, I'm not really around the AH to much so I happen to buy alot of gear that I see in shout, so I guess it's like a habit for me, it just bothers me that people expect you to be selling ultra cheap if you are shouting is all lol
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By Asura.Malekith 2009-03-01 23:07:00
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Korpg said:
I concede to the HQ staffs fact. I own 7/8 HQ staffs (as far as I'm concerned, HQ light is worthless)

This from a 75 SMN? Just a reminder folks BUT Apollo's Staff has a Hidden Effect:

* +15% increase to Light Element Magic Spells
* -15% decrease to Dark Element Magic Spells
* Charm success rate +15%
* -3 Avatar Perpetuation Cost for Carbuncle and Light Spirit
* +3 Avatar Perpetuation Cost for Diabolos, Fenrir, and Dark Spirit

Worthless I think not! ;>.>
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2009-03-01 23:46:33
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Wooooodum said:
Korpg said:
What is starting to grind my gears.

People who say that "XXXX is just wrong" without putting anything against saying why XXXX is wrong >.>

Stupid people use that excuse to prove their stupidity.


Korpg said:
I might understand people getting +1 gear if the price is only like 1.5 times the NQ price (at most), but not 10-15 times the price of NQ. Thats just stupid.


Oh, I agree =)


Korpg said:
wtf.

I got quoted twice, and Wooooodum didn't flame me at all?

Is it opposite day or something? Was I supposed to go to school in a dress today? I guess I missed the memo.

He quoted you twice to prove that you have just contradicted yourself. Like a certain hotdog. XD
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-03-02 00:19:06
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Malekith said:
Worthless I think not! ;>.>


In other words, it would save you 1 MP while doing Light-based elemental siphon.

Carbuncle's perpetuation cost is already capped with just the most basic gear. 1 MP/tick refresh is the most you can get with Carbuncle summoned. NQ and HQ Light Staves will have the exact same effect.

For other mages, I guess it gives you a 15% damage bonus when curing undead. c.c
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-03-02 00:21:28
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Enternius said:
Malekith said:
Worthless I think not! ;>.>


In other words, it would save you 1 MP while doing Light-based elemental siphon.

Carbuncle's perpetuation cost is already capped with just the most basic gear. 1 MP/tick refresh is the most you can get with Carbuncle summoned. NQ and HQ Light Staves will have the exact same effect.

For other mages, I guess it gives you a 15% damage bonus when curing undead. c.c
Accuracy on repose, lullaby and elegy too don't forget.
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By Remora.Kindle 2009-03-02 00:32:59
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Celene said:
Well, what grinds your gears? :P (Go go Family Guy reference?)

Mine has to be when people don't have all available RP. That really annoys the crap out of me. >:|
OR
When people don't have all released expansion packs, that also gets to me. D;


When you have a party going 6/6 going to camp and someone AFK on you and never comes back!
or
When a War don't have GA skilled!
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By Asura.Malekith 2009-03-02 01:00:33
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I was more or less getting at the NQ's 10% DMG + MagACC bonus vs. 15% to both on the HQ. Landing Repose and Lullaby is nothing to laugh at...
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-03-02 01:10:12
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Malekith said:
I was more or less getting at the NQ's 10% DMG + MagACC bonus vs. 15% to both on the HQ. Landing Repose and Lullaby is nothing to laugh at...
Yeh, I was responding to Enternius suggestion that the only real reason for other mages to have apollo's staff is for damage bonus on undead. I also mentioned lullaby and elegy for Korpg's benefit, as he has 75 brd but says it's worthless for him.
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-03-02 01:21:01
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Erm, I meant requiem of course, not elegy.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-02 01:50:06
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Anye said:
Wooooodum said:
Korpg said:
What is starting to grind my gears.

People who say that "XXXX is just wrong" without putting anything against saying why XXXX is wrong >.>

Stupid people use that excuse to prove their stupidity.


Korpg said:
I might understand people getting +1 gear if the price is only like 1.5 times the NQ price (at most), but not 10-15 times the price of NQ. Thats just stupid.


Oh, I agree =)


Korpg said:
wtf.

I got quoted twice, and Wooooodum didn't flame me at all?

Is it opposite day or something? Was I supposed to go to school in a dress today? I guess I missed the memo.

He quoted you twice to prove that you have just contradicted yourself. Like a certain hotdog. XD


I'm not contradicting myself.

Enternius said:
Malekith said:
Worthless I think not! ;>.>


In other words, it would save you 1 MP while doing Light-based elemental siphon.

Carbuncle's perpetuation cost is already capped with just the most basic gear. 1 MP/tick refresh is the most you can get with Carbuncle summoned. NQ and HQ Light Staves will have the exact same effect.

For other mages, I guess it gives you a 15% damage bonus when curing undead. c.c


Carby won't get a +1 refresh unless I have Nash glove + HQ AF feet + HQ Light staff.

Blazza said:
Malekith said:
I was more or less getting at the NQ's 10% DMG + MagACC bonus vs. 15% to both on the HQ. Landing Repose and Lullaby is nothing to laugh at...
Yeh, I was responding to Enternius suggestion that the only real reason for other mages to have apollo's staff is for damage bonus on undead. I also mentioned lullaby and elegy for Korpg's benefit, as he has 75 brd but says it's worthless for him.


Its still worthless to me, because I never use my BRD ever. I don't even have equipment for it. So yeah, HQ light is worthless for me (until I get the above items and/or BST to 51).
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-03-02 01:55:58
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Yeah, Apollo's Staff is mainly for hardcore WHMs BRDs and BSTs. Great for landing repose, lullaby and charm, but certainly not a necessity, especially not for SMN. Anyways, to stay on topic, another thing that grinds my gears are bandwagon job players. Those who play a job for the sake of being popular or with the most "powerful" job and swing with the tide of the nerf hammer every update.

Also people who praise and badmouth certain pieces of gear without even possessing let alone testing them out and to no end will refuse open minded concepts simply because they went to BG or read off wiki. Those kinda people grind my gears too.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-03-02 02:03:18
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Korpg said:
Carby won't get a +1 refresh unless I have Nash glove + HQ AF feet + HQ Light staff.


My Carbuncle perpetuation gear is as follows:
NQ Light Staff,
Yinyang Robe,
Carbuncle Mitts,
Evoker's Ring

That's it. That's all you need. Along with the Auto Refresh job trait, Carbuncle will cost -1 MP while out.
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By Garuda.Sphynxer 2009-03-02 02:09:23
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Carbuncle mitts + HQ light staff = carby is free.

Carbuncle mitts + HQ light staff + Ying Yang = refresh +1

Carbuncle mitts can easily be obtained with a part of 6.
Ying Yang robe can easily be done with 12.

you don't need AF+1. Camping would most likely be easier/faster than limbus since it can only be done twice a week.

edit: add evokers in there. >.<
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-02 02:13:54
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Enternius said:
Korpg said:
Carby won't get a +1 refresh unless I have Nash glove + HQ AF feet + HQ Light staff.


My Carbuncle perpetuation gear is as follows:
NQ Light Staff,
Yinyang Robe,
Carbuncle Mitts,
Evoker's Ring

That's it. That's all you need. Along with the Auto Refresh job trait, Carbuncle will cost -1 MP while out.


I need to get a YY robe still, haven't found anyone willing to help me (I helped 10 people get theirs, but when it was time for them to help me, they disappeared or was "too busy to help").

I like Summoner's Body though, I got enough merits to make my avatar's BPs damaging (not just Predator Claws) so its not like I'm not a good DD, just a great DD on Windsday lol.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-03-02 02:50:30
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Korpg said:
I need to get a YY robe still

You absolutely need Yinyang Robe (Or something similar (Marduk's Jubbah or Dalmatica works)) to get the additional 1MP/tick refresh with Carbuncle out. The Auto Refresh trait is applied before Perpetuation cost reduction and can not affect how much MP you receive after the reduction. Only gear with Refresh on it can do that, and SMN can only get one piece with that on it.
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2009-03-02 03:29:38
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Enternius said:
Only gear with Refresh on it can do that, and SMN can only get one piece with that on it.


Yingyang Robe, Vermillion Cloak, Marduks Jubbah, Ixion Cloak, Dalmatica

There's more stuff too, but they require either: Latent, Full Set or Enchantment.
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