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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-12 12:15:47
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ok since devaluing the dollar to the Yuan is a little hard to theorize, trust me it is, I'm going to throw out this question.
Who's in favor of putting Zandra and Excelior on a rocket and sending it to the moon?
EDIT: Even Jaerik was like *** that, I'm not an economist, not even going to try. Even economists vastly vary on what would happen.
That could quite possibly lower the average IQ on the moon.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2010-11-12 12:16:49
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
Who's in favor of putting Zandra and Excelior on a rocket and sending it to the moon?
I vote yes.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2010-11-12 12:17:24
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
That could quite possibly lower the average IQ on the moon.
I laughed, a lot.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-12 12:17:35
Phoenix.Excelior said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ok since devaluing the dollar to the Yuan is a little hard to theorize, trust me it is, I'm going to throw out this question. Who's in favor of putting Zandra and Excelior on a rocket and sending it to the moon?
I think it's funny that professing freedom is considered to be offensive. I wonder if you desire to have no choices and no rights and no freedoms? Curious that you would have to choose to give up in order to not have them.
Freedom is the inevitable, ultimate, most effective form of society. The greater your liberation the more enjoyable your life will become.
You wish more taxes and more laws and yet those things aren't "real".
Freedom and happiness do not come from laws. Laws have no physical value. Freedom and happiness are NATURAL values that come with the conscience mind and the ability to independently think. Don't constrain your mind by forcing upon yourself such artifical limitations. freedom is a manufactured concept.
it cannot exist in the real world or you would have no consequences :/
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-12 12:18:16
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ok since devaluing the dollar to the Yuan is a little hard to theorize, trust me it is, I'm going to throw out this question. Who's in favor of putting Zandra and Excelior on a rocket and sending it to the moon? EDIT: Even Jaerik was like *** that, I'm not an economist, not even going to try. Even economists vastly vary on what would happen. That could quite possibly lower the average IQ on the moon.
What is your IQ jet?
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-12 12:20:00
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ok since devaluing the dollar to the Yuan is a little hard to theorize, trust me it is, I'm going to throw out this question. Who's in favor of putting Zandra and Excelior on a rocket and sending it to the moon? I think it's funny that professing freedom is considered to be offensive. I wonder if you desire to have no choices and no rights and no freedoms? Curious that you would have to choose to give up in order to not have them. Freedom is the inevitable, ultimate, most effective form of society. The greater your liberation the more enjoyable your life will become. You wish more taxes and more laws and yet those things aren't "real". Freedom and happiness do not come from laws. Laws have no physical value. Freedom and happiness are NATURAL values that come with the conscience mind and the ability to independently think. Don't constrain your mind by forcing upon yourself such artifical limitations. freedom is a manufactured concept. it cannot exist in the real world or you would have no consequences :/
Freedom does exist in the real world. I could go kill somebody right now if I so desired. Laws say I can't Consequences are an artifically created concept. The only true laws are the laws of nature and the laws of "cause and effect".
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-12 12:20:21
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Zandra said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cerberus.Zandra said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cerberus.Zandra said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: I just don't understand why the wealthy thinks it has to be fair. If the poor had the money to afford increased taxes on the in line with the wealthy do you think it's fair that the poor have to scrape along to make a living? Or do you think the people that have immense wealth. This shouldn't be a game of what's fair or not. It should be a game of what will fix the economy? pushing our majority further into debt or taxing billionaires a bit more to decrease overall debt? Do you think that decreasing the overall debt won't encourage profit for your businesses and the way you make a living? Will a tax increase lower your quality of life? Or are you just being selfish? HAHAHAHAHA this cracks me up 1) It assumes that if we give them more of our money they will spend it to reduce the deficit, instead of some other big government program. 2) It makes the ridiculous claim that my keeping some of my OWN money (that I earned by myself btw, no one earned it for me), is somehow selfish. 3) How about before I give them anymore money they promise to stop spending it on dumb wasteful things. Why don't you tell me why you think you are entitled to the money I earn? So you went out and earned every dollar by your self? what a joke. You certainly didn't earn it for me... you can't possibly be serious. I'm pretty sure systems in place in this great country facilitated your ability to make the money you made. So that means you got help. :D You say if you give this money to the government they'll spend it on some other random ***? In that case you would be fine because if this country is going to break I'd imagine helping the government is going to be a hell of a lot better than letting the ship sink :/ Oh well. When the economy crashes you'd lose more than the poor either way so it's your loss. These loss of jobs are your fault specifically.(this is me joking in a serious manner) I might not know as much as you "claim to know" about political posturing but the wealthy keeping the money they made on the backs of the poor obviously isn't being redistributed properly or we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. I am going to address this last line in bold each time you try to make an argument about it if you like? Or which other one would you like me to go back to? and why do you think I am getting your money? are you stupid? like the government taxing YOU gives me money. your wealth was facilitated and developed within the US government. they allowed you to get as wealthy as you possibly can be. if you want to throw them under the bus because you are busy questioning their motives that's all on you. you are the reason our economy is failing. as well as the fact that the wealthy are...lol wat the government themselves! crazy! Do you have a Freddy and Fanny backed mortgage? Then you specifically getting my money... Do you take public transportation? Then you specifically are getting my money... Do you eat farm produce, drive an automobile, smoke tobacco, read anti tobacco advertising, visit national parks, use electricity, drink water, etc etc etc? If you use, interact with any kind of industry that receives government subsidies? Then you specifically are getting my money... are you stupid??? Here's an idea, I don't want to spend your money for you, especially on some of the ridiculous things that its being spent on. Instead, I want YOU to spend it on what you want to spend it on. then don't live in society you narrow minded imbecile, go live by yourself on an island, be self sustained, and be willing to protect yourself from those that come to harm you yourself, and don't ask for any help, otherwise stop bitching. Let me get this straight. She is narrowminded by proposing more freedom for people to have choice? I think that's litterally the opposite of being narrowminded. no what she is proposing is anarchy or somehow a non funded government, sorry but taxes are what you pay for society, you either live with it and pay them, or don't and don't. The amount of tax revenue from the average joe is next to nothing, so people need to stop bitching and suck it up. Actually it appears that Vinv is a marxist/structualist while zandra appears to be a capitalist. Don't be confused that marxism = communism that isn't the case, though the average person today thinks they are the same. As for you Jet, I don't think Zandra said she was against all taxes. I'm fairly sure she meant that she couldn't see paying more taxes than now because they aren't being used effectively. well last I checked these taxes were in place, they were cut back as a poor bush era policy and are a great amount of our debt iirc something like 200billion/year, also unless she's in the top earning bracket it wouldn't affect her in any way shape or form, and quite frankly how the government spends every last penny isn't her place to say, it's her representative's place to say.
Politicians are there do the work and the will of the people. Government is OF the people, not FOR the people. It is pathetically arrogant to think that government knows best. The people ALWAYS know what is best.
no, no they don't. California is a good example of that, it's the entire reason why we have representatives, it's the entire reason the electoral college exists, because the people don't know better.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-12 12:20:51
Phoenix.Excelior said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ok since devaluing the dollar to the Yuan is a little hard to theorize, trust me it is, I'm going to throw out this question. Who's in favor of putting Zandra and Excelior on a rocket and sending it to the moon? I think it's funny that professing freedom is considered to be offensive. I wonder if you desire to have no choices and no rights and no freedoms? Curious that you would have to choose to give up in order to not have them. Freedom is the inevitable, ultimate, most effective form of society. The greater your liberation the more enjoyable your life will become. You wish more taxes and more laws and yet those things aren't "real". Freedom and happiness do not come from laws. Laws have no physical value. Freedom and happiness are NATURAL values that come with the conscience mind and the ability to independently think. Don't constrain your mind by forcing upon yourself such artifical limitations. freedom is a manufactured concept. it cannot exist in the real world or you would have no consequences :/
Freedom does exist in the real world. I could go kill somebody right now if I so desired. Laws say I can't Consequences are an artifically created concept. The only true laws are the laws of nature and the laws of "cause and effect". so stab yourself right now.
see what happens.
if you were really free you wouldn't die.
you could say death is technically the most absolute freedom though :/
that's why i say it's a silly concept made in relation to social constructs which are also manufactured.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-11-12 12:21:06
Phoenix.Excelior said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ok since devaluing the dollar to the Yuan is a little hard to theorize, trust me it is, I'm going to throw out this question. Who's in favor of putting Zandra and Excelior on a rocket and sending it to the moon?
I think it's funny that professing freedom is considered to be offensive. I wonder if you desire to have no choices and no rights and no freedoms? Curious that you would have to choose to give up in order to not have them.
Freedom is the inevitable, ultimate, most effective form of society. The greater your liberation the more enjoyable your life will become.
You wish more taxes and more laws and yet those things aren't "real".
Freedom and happiness do not come from laws. Laws have no physical value. Freedom and happiness are NATURAL values that come with the conscience mind and the ability to independently think. Don't constrain your mind by forcing upon yourself such artifical limitations.
To quote myself:
Leviathan.Chaosx said: People seem to think, especially rich people, that the money they have is all theirs. They're called Federal Reserve Notes for a reason.
The government can recall anything they issue. Federal Reserve Notes are worthless without the government to back them up.
If you can find someone to work for who will pay you in housing, clothing, food, and all the things you need directly then by all means go for it.
However we exchange government issued currency. It crazy to think that you shouldn't have give some of it back to the very same government that makes it usefulness possible.
Don't like being taxed? Don't use their money then. Go barter.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-12 12:21:11
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ok since devaluing the dollar to the Yuan is a little hard to theorize, trust me it is, I'm going to throw out this question. Who's in favor of putting Zandra and Excelior on a rocket and sending it to the moon? EDIT: Even Jaerik was like *** that, I'm not an economist, not even going to try. Even economists vastly vary on what would happen. That could quite possibly lower the average IQ on the moon.
What is your IQ jet?
It's irrelevant to the joke I made.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-12 12:21:27
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Zandra said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cerberus.Zandra said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cerberus.Zandra said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: I just don't understand why the wealthy thinks it has to be fair. If the poor had the money to afford increased taxes on the in line with the wealthy do you think it's fair that the poor have to scrape along to make a living? Or do you think the people that have immense wealth. This shouldn't be a game of what's fair or not. It should be a game of what will fix the economy? pushing our majority further into debt or taxing billionaires a bit more to decrease overall debt? Do you think that decreasing the overall debt won't encourage profit for your businesses and the way you make a living? Will a tax increase lower your quality of life? Or are you just being selfish? HAHAHAHAHA this cracks me up 1) It assumes that if we give them more of our money they will spend it to reduce the deficit, instead of some other big government program. 2) It makes the ridiculous claim that my keeping some of my OWN money (that I earned by myself btw, no one earned it for me), is somehow selfish. 3) How about before I give them anymore money they promise to stop spending it on dumb wasteful things. Why don't you tell me why you think you are entitled to the money I earn? So you went out and earned every dollar by your self? what a joke. You certainly didn't earn it for me... you can't possibly be serious. I'm pretty sure systems in place in this great country facilitated your ability to make the money you made. So that means you got help. :D You say if you give this money to the government they'll spend it on some other random ***? In that case you would be fine because if this country is going to break I'd imagine helping the government is going to be a hell of a lot better than letting the ship sink :/ Oh well. When the economy crashes you'd lose more than the poor either way so it's your loss. These loss of jobs are your fault specifically.(this is me joking in a serious manner) I might not know as much as you "claim to know" about political posturing but the wealthy keeping the money they made on the backs of the poor obviously isn't being redistributed properly or we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. I am going to address this last line in bold each time you try to make an argument about it if you like? Or which other one would you like me to go back to? and why do you think I am getting your money? are you stupid? like the government taxing YOU gives me money. your wealth was facilitated and developed within the US government. they allowed you to get as wealthy as you possibly can be. if you want to throw them under the bus because you are busy questioning their motives that's all on you. you are the reason our economy is failing. as well as the fact that the wealthy are...lol wat the government themselves! crazy! Do you have a Freddy and Fanny backed mortgage? Then you specifically getting my money... Do you take public transportation? Then you specifically are getting my money... Do you eat farm produce, drive an automobile, smoke tobacco, read anti tobacco advertising, visit national parks, use electricity, drink water, etc etc etc? If you use, interact with any kind of industry that receives government subsidies? Then you specifically are getting my money... are you stupid??? Here's an idea, I don't want to spend your money for you, especially on some of the ridiculous things that its being spent on. Instead, I want YOU to spend it on what you want to spend it on. then don't live in society you narrow minded imbecile, go live by yourself on an island, be self sustained, and be willing to protect yourself from those that come to harm you yourself, and don't ask for any help, otherwise stop bitching. Let me get this straight. She is narrowminded by proposing more freedom for people to have choice? I think that's litterally the opposite of being narrowminded. no what she is proposing is anarchy or somehow a non funded government, sorry but taxes are what you pay for society, you either live with it and pay them, or don't and don't. The amount of tax revenue from the average joe is next to nothing, so people need to stop bitching and suck it up. Actually it appears that Vinv is a marxist/structualist while zandra appears to be a capitalist. Don't be confused that marxism = communism that isn't the case, though the average person today thinks they are the same. As for you Jet, I don't think Zandra said she was against all taxes. I'm fairly sure she meant that she couldn't see paying more taxes than now because they aren't being used effectively. well last I checked these taxes were in place, they were cut back as a poor bush era policy and are a great amount of our debt iirc something like 200billion/year, also unless she's in the top earning bracket it wouldn't affect her in any way shape or form, and quite frankly how the government spends every last penny isn't her place to say, it's her representative's place to say. Politicians are there do the work and the will of the people. Government is OF the people, not FOR the people. It is pathetically arrogant to think that government knows best. The people ALWAYS know what is best. no, no they don't. California is a good example of that, it's the entire reason why we have representatives, it's the entire reason the electoral college exists, because the people don't know better.
Then we are no longer a democracy and we are an authoritarian government. Afk while I go burn the constitution.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-12 12:22:03
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ok since devaluing the dollar to the Yuan is a little hard to theorize, trust me it is, I'm going to throw out this question. Who's in favor of putting Zandra and Excelior on a rocket and sending it to the moon?
I think it's funny that professing freedom is considered to be offensive. I wonder if you desire to have no choices and no rights and no freedoms? Curious that you would have to choose to give up in order to not have them.
Freedom is the inevitable, ultimate, most effective form of society. The greater your liberation the more enjoyable your life will become.
You wish more taxes and more laws and yet those things aren't "real".
Freedom and happiness do not come from laws. Laws have no physical value. Freedom and happiness are NATURAL values that come with the conscience mind and the ability to independently think. Don't constrain your mind by forcing upon yourself such artifical limitations.
To quote myself:
Leviathan.Chaosx said: People seem to think, especially rich people, that the money they have is all theirs. They're called Federal Reserve Notes for a reason.
The government can recall anything they issue. Federal Reserve Notes are worthless without the government to back them up.
If you can find someone to work for who will pay you in housing, clothing, food, and all the things you need directly then by all means go for it.
However we exchange government issued currency. It crazy to think that you shouldn't have give some of it back to the very same government that makes it usefulness possible.
Don't like being taxed? Don't use their money then. Go barter.
like I said earlier, if you don't like the price you pay for society, don't live in it.
basically the same thing.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-12 12:22:42
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Zandra said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cerberus.Zandra said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cerberus.Zandra said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: I just don't understand why the wealthy thinks it has to be fair. If the poor had the money to afford increased taxes on the in line with the wealthy do you think it's fair that the poor have to scrape along to make a living? Or do you think the people that have immense wealth. This shouldn't be a game of what's fair or not. It should be a game of what will fix the economy? pushing our majority further into debt or taxing billionaires a bit more to decrease overall debt? Do you think that decreasing the overall debt won't encourage profit for your businesses and the way you make a living? Will a tax increase lower your quality of life? Or are you just being selfish? HAHAHAHAHA this cracks me up 1) It assumes that if we give them more of our money they will spend it to reduce the deficit, instead of some other big government program. 2) It makes the ridiculous claim that my keeping some of my OWN money (that I earned by myself btw, no one earned it for me), is somehow selfish. 3) How about before I give them anymore money they promise to stop spending it on dumb wasteful things. Why don't you tell me why you think you are entitled to the money I earn? So you went out and earned every dollar by your self? what a joke. You certainly didn't earn it for me... you can't possibly be serious. I'm pretty sure systems in place in this great country facilitated your ability to make the money you made. So that means you got help. :D You say if you give this money to the government they'll spend it on some other random ***? In that case you would be fine because if this country is going to break I'd imagine helping the government is going to be a hell of a lot better than letting the ship sink :/ Oh well. When the economy crashes you'd lose more than the poor either way so it's your loss. These loss of jobs are your fault specifically.(this is me joking in a serious manner) I might not know as much as you "claim to know" about political posturing but the wealthy keeping the money they made on the backs of the poor obviously isn't being redistributed properly or we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. I am going to address this last line in bold each time you try to make an argument about it if you like? Or which other one would you like me to go back to? and why do you think I am getting your money? are you stupid? like the government taxing YOU gives me money. your wealth was facilitated and developed within the US government. they allowed you to get as wealthy as you possibly can be. if you want to throw them under the bus because you are busy questioning their motives that's all on you. you are the reason our economy is failing. as well as the fact that the wealthy are...lol wat the government themselves! crazy! Do you have a Freddy and Fanny backed mortgage? Then you specifically getting my money... Do you take public transportation? Then you specifically are getting my money... Do you eat farm produce, drive an automobile, smoke tobacco, read anti tobacco advertising, visit national parks, use electricity, drink water, etc etc etc? If you use, interact with any kind of industry that receives government subsidies? Then you specifically are getting my money... are you stupid??? Here's an idea, I don't want to spend your money for you, especially on some of the ridiculous things that its being spent on. Instead, I want YOU to spend it on what you want to spend it on. then don't live in society you narrow minded imbecile, go live by yourself on an island, be self sustained, and be willing to protect yourself from those that come to harm you yourself, and don't ask for any help, otherwise stop bitching. Let me get this straight. She is narrowminded by proposing more freedom for people to have choice? I think that's litterally the opposite of being narrowminded. no what she is proposing is anarchy or somehow a non funded government, sorry but taxes are what you pay for society, you either live with it and pay them, or don't and don't. The amount of tax revenue from the average joe is next to nothing, so people need to stop bitching and suck it up. Actually it appears that Vinv is a marxist/structualist while zandra appears to be a capitalist. Don't be confused that marxism = communism that isn't the case, though the average person today thinks they are the same. As for you Jet, I don't think Zandra said she was against all taxes. I'm fairly sure she meant that she couldn't see paying more taxes than now because they aren't being used effectively. well last I checked these taxes were in place, they were cut back as a poor bush era policy and are a great amount of our debt iirc something like 200billion/year, also unless she's in the top earning bracket it wouldn't affect her in any way shape or form, and quite frankly how the government spends every last penny isn't her place to say, it's her representative's place to say. Politicians are there do the work and the will of the people. Government is OF the people, not FOR the people. It is pathetically arrogant to think that government knows best. The people ALWAYS know what is best. no, no they don't. California is a good example of that, it's the entire reason why we have representatives, it's the entire reason the electoral college exists, because the people don't know better.
Then we are no longer a democracy and we are an authoritarian government. Afk while I go burn the constitution.
we've never been a Democracy, we're a representative democracy.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-12 12:23:27
I sincerely hope you guys do not become politicans. Humanity would be in very big trouble if you had to decide our freedoms.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-12 12:25:19
Phoenix.Excelior said: I sincerely hope you guys do not become politicans. Humanity would be in very big trouble if you had to decide our freedoms.
I'm sorry that you're delusional to the point that you think we're a direct democracy, we aren't nor have we ever have been. Those that are elected we trust to make our decisions for us, what's best for us, regardless if we think they are best for us.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-12 12:25:29
Phoenix.Excelior said: I sincerely hope you guys do not become politicans. Humanity would be in very big trouble if you had to decide our freedoms. This seems vaguely familiar?
I'm not okay with lying to people en mass so don't expect to see me being one :/
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oh! here it is!
Unicorn.Brock said: After carefully reading each post thoroughly I can honestly say that I am so thrilled that none of you are in charge of anything important.
Seriously guys.
If you expect up and coming politicians from a video game forum I'd have to question how you came to this conclusion past being a pompous ***(not saying others aren't being *** to you, but two rights don't make a wrong...although three do make a left.)
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-11-12 12:31:40
And please stop the quote trains, they are gay!
And to all the gays, you know what I mean.
Vote for me 2012!
Lol!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-11-12 12:36:13
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Phoenix.Excelior said: I sincerely hope you guys do not become politicans. Humanity would be in very big trouble if you had to decide our freedoms. This seems vaguely familiar?
I'm not okay with lying to people en mass so don't expect to see me being one :/
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oh! here it is!
Unicorn.Brock said: After carefully reading each post thoroughly I can honestly say that I am so thrilled that none of you are in charge of anything important.
Seriously guys.
If you expect up and coming politicians from a video game forum I'd have to question how you came to this conclusion past being a pompous ***(not saying others aren't being *** to you, but two rights don't make a wrong...although three do make a left.) Says the guy who looks like Wil Wheaton.
Sorry, but you definitely look like him, lol!
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-12 12:41:41
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: I sincerely hope you guys do not become politicans. Humanity would be in very big trouble if you had to decide our freedoms. I'm sorry that you're delusional to the point that you think we're a direct democracy, we aren't nor have we ever have been. Those that are elected we trust to make our decisions for us, what's best for us, regardless if we think they are best for us.
I don't think we're a direct democracy and I never claimed we were. However, the representatives are still there to represent OUR INTERESTS. If everyone in their states opposes something then who are they representing? Yourself? We can't tell them what to vote but they should be representing us which has not been done in quite some time. Perhaps it's more of an ideology of how to govern and not a legal fact. However, if enough people reject the government thent he government will just collapse. Popular Sovereignty will always win.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-12 12:52:23
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: I sincerely hope you guys do not become politicans. Humanity would be in very big trouble if you had to decide our freedoms. I'm sorry that you're delusional to the point that you think we're a direct democracy, we aren't nor have we ever have been. Those that are elected we trust to make our decisions for us, what's best for us, regardless if we think they are best for us.
I don't think we're a direct democracy and I never claimed we were. However, the representatives are still there to represent OUR INTERESTS. If everyone in their states opposes something then who are they representing? Yourself? We can't tell them what to vote but they should be representing us which has not been done in quite some time. Perhaps it's more of an ideology of how to govern and not a legal fact. However, if enough people reject the government thent he government will just collapse. Popular Sovereignty will always win.
representing your interesting does not equate to what you think is the best for you, you elect them to do what's best for you, and quite frankly most people do not know what's best for them. That's just how it is. As to whether or not they are representing our best interest can be debated, but they are not supposed to go in and vote based on what the public wants, because quite frankly the public is generally stupid. Again, California is a good example of why you don't leave everything to a popular vote.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-12 12:53:54
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Says the guy who looks like Wil Wheaton.
Sorry, but you definitely look like him, lol! that's charlie from it's always sunny in philadelphia...
but I would not be bothered by looking like Wil Wheaton.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: I sincerely hope you guys do not become politicans. Humanity would be in very big trouble if you had to decide our freedoms. I'm sorry that you're delusional to the point that you think we're a direct democracy, we aren't nor have we ever have been. Those that are elected we trust to make our decisions for us, what's best for us, regardless if we think they are best for us.
I don't think we're a direct democracy and I never claimed we were. However, the representatives are still there to represent OUR INTERESTS. If everyone in their states opposes something then who are they representing? Yourself? We can't tell them what to vote but they should be representing us which has not been done in quite some time. Perhaps it's more of an ideology of how to govern and not a legal fact. However, if enough people reject the government thent he government will just collapse. Popular Sovereignty will always win.
representing your interesting does not equate to what you think is the best for you, you elect them to do what's best for you, and quite frankly most people do not know what's best for them. That's just how it is. As to whether or not they are representing our best interest can be debated, but they are not supposed to go in and vote based on what the public wants, because quite frankly the public is generally stupid. Again, California is a good example of why you don't leave everything to a popular vote. weed money is good money.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-12 12:59:54
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Says the guy who looks like Wil Wheaton.
Sorry, but you definitely look like him, lol! that's charlie from it's always sunny in philadelphia...
but I would not be bothered by looking like Wil Wheaton.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: I sincerely hope you guys do not become politicans. Humanity would be in very big trouble if you had to decide our freedoms. I'm sorry that you're delusional to the point that you think we're a direct democracy, we aren't nor have we ever have been. Those that are elected we trust to make our decisions for us, what's best for us, regardless if we think they are best for us.
I don't think we're a direct democracy and I never claimed we were. However, the representatives are still there to represent OUR INTERESTS. If everyone in their states opposes something then who are they representing? Yourself? We can't tell them what to vote but they should be representing us which has not been done in quite some time. Perhaps it's more of an ideology of how to govern and not a legal fact. However, if enough people reject the government thent he government will just collapse. Popular Sovereignty will always win.
representing your interesting does not equate to what you think is the best for you, you elect them to do what's best for you, and quite frankly most people do not know what's best for them. That's just how it is. As to whether or not they are representing our best interest can be debated, but they are not supposed to go in and vote based on what the public wants, because quite frankly the public is generally stupid. Again, California is a good example of why you don't leave everything to a popular vote. weed money is good money.
I was referring more to their other *** policies mainly the cause of their economic problems.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-12 13:00:29
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: I sincerely hope you guys do not become politicans. Humanity would be in very big trouble if you had to decide our freedoms. I'm sorry that you're delusional to the point that you think we're a direct democracy, we aren't nor have we ever have been. Those that are elected we trust to make our decisions for us, what's best for us, regardless if we think they are best for us. I don't think we're a direct democracy and I never claimed we were. However, the representatives are still there to represent OUR INTERESTS. If everyone in their states opposes something then who are they representing? Yourself? We can't tell them what to vote but they should be representing us which has not been done in quite some time. Perhaps it's more of an ideology of how to govern and not a legal fact. However, if enough people reject the government thent he government will just collapse. Popular Sovereignty will always win. representing your interesting does not equate to what you think is the best for you, you elect them to do what's best for you, and quite frankly most people do not know what's best for them. That's just how it is. As to whether or not they are representing our best interest can be debated, but they are not supposed to go in and vote based on what the public wants, because quite frankly the public is generally stupid. Again, California is a good example of why you don't leave everything to a popular vote.
I think California is a good example of why you should. I'm sorry but I think most of you are too *** stupid to make decisions for me.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-12 13:12:41
Phoenix.Excelior said: I think California is a good example of why you should. I'm sorry but I think most of you are too *** stupid to make decisions for me. Can I make some decisions for you?
Like deciding what you are going to wear in the morning?
You could compensate me for it to stimulate the economy!
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-12 13:16:02
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: I sincerely hope you guys do not become politicans. Humanity would be in very big trouble if you had to decide our freedoms. I'm sorry that you're delusional to the point that you think we're a direct democracy, we aren't nor have we ever have been. Those that are elected we trust to make our decisions for us, what's best for us, regardless if we think they are best for us. I don't think we're a direct democracy and I never claimed we were. However, the representatives are still there to represent OUR INTERESTS. If everyone in their states opposes something then who are they representing? Yourself? We can't tell them what to vote but they should be representing us which has not been done in quite some time. Perhaps it's more of an ideology of how to govern and not a legal fact. However, if enough people reject the government thent he government will just collapse. Popular Sovereignty will always win. representing your interesting does not equate to what you think is the best for you, you elect them to do what's best for you, and quite frankly most people do not know what's best for them. That's just how it is. As to whether or not they are representing our best interest can be debated, but they are not supposed to go in and vote based on what the public wants, because quite frankly the public is generally stupid. Again, California is a good example of why you don't leave everything to a popular vote.
I think California is a good example of why you should. I'm sorry but I think most of you are too *** stupid to make decisions for me. then don't elect for those who you don't think are qualified, that's how it works, if you don't like it change the whole system that is outline in our constitution. Also yes, because it works so well for California, they are doing so well.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-12 13:40:30
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Phoenix.Excelior said: I think California is a good example of why you should. I'm sorry but I think most of you are too *** stupid to make decisions for me. Can I make some decisions for you?
Like deciding what you are going to wear in the morning?
You could compensate me for it to stimulate the economy!
Since when do handjobs indirectly stimulate the economy? Must have started during the Clinton years. Who said anything about handjobs?
I guess I could receive that as payment for deciding what clothing Excel should wear.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-11-12 13:48:25
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Phoenix.Excelior said: I think California is a good example of why you should. I'm sorry but I think most of you are too *** stupid to make decisions for me. Can I make some decisions for you? Like deciding what you are going to wear in the morning? You could compensate me for it to stimulate the economy! Since when do handjobs indirectly stimulate the economy? Must have started during the Clinton years. Who said anything about handjobs? I guess I could receive that as payment for deciding what clothing Excel should wear.
So if Dee, the big bird, switched costumes with the hot peacock chick.. And Dennis switched costumes with Charlie.. Dennis thought he was doing it with the peacock chick, then he must have really been doing it with his sister!
Mac: "Dennis always picks the meals to eat. I don't like lobster so I eat around it, and give him my lobster."
New member: "Well.. how about I order what I want, and everyone can just do the same and order what they want..?"
Dennis: "Nah, doesn't work that way, bud. We've got a system here."
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-12 15:03:16
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Phoenix.Excelior said: I think California is a good example of why you should. I'm sorry but I think most of you are too *** stupid to make decisions for me. Can I make some decisions for you? Like deciding what you are going to wear in the morning? You could compensate me for it to stimulate the economy! Since when do handjobs indirectly stimulate the economy? Must have started during the Clinton years. Who said anything about handjobs? I guess I could receive that as payment for deciding what clothing Excel should wear.
So if Dee, the big bird, switched costumes with the hot peacock chick.. And Dennis switched costumes with Charlie.. Dennis thought he was doing it with the peacock chick, then he must have really been doing it with his sister!
Mac: "Dennis always picks the meals to eat. I don't like lobster so I eat around it, and give him my lobster."
New member: "Well.. how about I order what I want, and everyone can just do the same and order what they want..?"
Dennis: "Nah, doesn't work that way, bud. We've got a system here." This orange is still good! Do you want some?
By DDestroyer 2010-11-12 15:50:21
Lot of you are saying dont give it to the rich. The person who signs most of your paychecks are they rich? More then likely yes. Put yourself in the shoes of those bussiness owners. Do you think macrosoft would be as big as it is with as many employees if the government took 70% of everything Bill Gates made? Lets use a good example. Vince Mchman CEO of the wwe, is him and his family rich? you damn right, but so is just about every superstar under his empolyment, and when the company has more money you see more and more superstars, few years ago they expanded into basically 2 companys Raw and Smackdown and they had to have employees to fill both shows. Why? because holding on to the tax money will be stupid when you can expand and make more...that what most of the RICH do they expand. I seen a few complan that "oh they just gonna invest it into something else and get richer" well yeah. Do you not relize what investments do? They invest into something it dont work out they loose money, it works out good they win big (like the lotto) alot of time these investments are going into small bussiness to get them off the ground, or going to a established bussiness to expand that bussiness eather way the end result puts jobs on the markets and money into the econmy. The only way to not boost the economy is to put money in the bank and sit on it, and even then when Mr. Money bag tight wad kicks the bucket and his kids get the money you think they wont spend money they didnt work for? not to mention its gonna be taxed when the old fart passes still putting money into the econmy. So say what you want believe the Dem's all you want, they want you to hate the rich but love them...however they fail to mention that most of them are MR. money bag tight wad just sitting on the money waiting to pass it on to there kids.
In closing many of you may think im only saying this stuff in support of the rich because i am rich right? well here's the shocker...I make $450 every 2 weeks, I make more then most of my familly has ever made, im married with a 3 year old boy, and my wife dont work. I know what im saying to be true because of this, when the bush cuts first passed i seen 2x incresses in my check. The first came from the decress in taxes i seen and the second came from my RICH boss man passing down his tax decress in 2 forms...a $.25 raise to all employees and better equipment to do our jobs with. Dont judge all of one class bye what some do.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/white-house-gives-in-on-bush-tax-cuts_n_781992.html
so uh...Happy Veteran's Day I guess. >_>
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