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Open Carry of Firearms: Yea or Nay?
By Wenuden 2011-10-13 18:18:00
See thats part of the point I'm trying to make. People were worried right off the bat when I did that and when its made known that I live in a good neighborhood (well at least one person) right off the bat isn't that worried anymore. So is it more of a deterrent in shitty neighborhoods and good ones already have some deterrent in place?
ease of access I'd say. as an ex-criminal myself, easy is ALWAYS the ticket. good nieghborhoods have a higher chance of having alarms, a higher chance of an old lady reporting suspicious activity, ect.
a crook with always pick the easiest mark Hence why OC trumps CC, IMO. Thread goes full circle again?
By Wenuden 2011-10-13 18:21:18
I don't agree with having firearms on your person for protection.
More-so with hand-guns.
I'm all about people keeping their guns, but I think having the guns and the ammo separate is the way to go.
We all want that sense of security to protect from that chance situation of being dominated, that's why we lock our doors and many other things even though they don't really serve much more of a protection if someone really wants to get 'atcha. If we judged the world all on what-ifs we'd have a war in Iraq over Nuclear Weapons that weren't really there...wait nvm...carry on.
Plenty of other weapons out there, some people want the wild wild west back methinks.
Such a confusing post. Also, the "wild wild west" wasn't how it's depicted in the movies. Gunfights in the middle of the street were the exception, not the rule. Mostly because... wait for it... everyone had a gun.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 18:21:59
See thats part of the point I'm trying to make. People were worried right off the bat when I did that and when its made known that I live in a good neighborhood (well at least one person) right off the bat isn't that worried anymore. So is it more of a deterrent in shitty neighborhoods and good ones already have some deterrent in place?
ease of access I'd say. as an ex-criminal myself, easy is ALWAYS the ticket. good nieghborhoods have a higher chance of having alarms, a higher chance of an old lady reporting suspicious activity, ect.
a crook with always pick the easiest mark So in the end its not always the fact that you don't have a gun in your house that makes you a target. There are quite a number of other variables criminals take into account when picking a target.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx 2011-10-13 18:24:53
Well most criminals, believe it or not, don't have a death wish....usually
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-10-13 18:26:54
I don't agree with having firearms on your person for protection.
More-so with hand-guns.
I'm all about people keeping their guns, but I think having the guns and the ammo separate is the way to go.
We all want that sense of security to protect from that chance situation of being dominated, that's why we lock our doors and many other things even though they don't really serve much more of a protection if someone really wants to get 'atcha. If we judged the world all on what-ifs we'd have a war in Iraq over Nuclear Weapons that weren't really there...wait nvm...carry on.
Plenty of other weapons out there, some people want the wild wild west back methinks.
Such a confusing post. Also, the "wild wild west" wasn't how it's depicted in the movies. Gunfights in the middle of the street were the exception, not the rule. Mostly because... wait for it... everyone had a gun. You are implying that I meant it was like the movies.
I just meant that it'd be like the wild wild west mostly because....wait for it...everyone had a gun.
Pretty much the point of my post is that-----fear of the unknown rules people who cling to needing a gun on their person all the time.
I'd rather live my life a day at a time than be afraid of the what if situations, I don't think that kind of point of view is for everyone...but I'd rather be proactive than reactive, and I don't think I'd be able to shoot anyone anyway lol...my opinion on open carry---by all means go for it...if you can. I won't partake.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx 2011-10-13 18:29:49
i keep my cellphone with me when i go out for fear of the unknown, incase my car breaks down, etc...... you don't do things like that?
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-10-13 18:30:40
Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx said: »i keep my cellphone with me when i go out for fear of the unknown, incase my car breaks down, etc...... you don't do things like that? So?
Cellphone=/=gun.
a cellphone doesn't =/=fear of death or loss of property in the same means that a gun does.
but you can do what you want, i'm just saying that I don't need to partake in that.
I love guns, I love shooting guns, but I don't keep any guns because I don't need to.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx 2011-10-13 18:34:39
sure it does, someone gets in a car crash how should i get an ambulance for them? smoke signals? ... my point was an extreme difference but all i'm saying is... ***will happen in life its better to be prepared.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-10-13 18:44:08
Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx said: »sure it does, someone gets in a car crash how should i get an ambulance for them? smoke signals? ... my point was an extreme difference but all i'm saying is... ***will happen in life its better to be prepared. It's a decent point but it's a bit of a stretch, you saying it was extreme is an admission of that. It really depends where you draw a line in the sand.
The thought of a person needing to carry a gun around all the time just oozes of insecurity in my opinion...preparing to be shot or to shoot someone can be counter-intuitive at times I think.
What-ifs can plague a mans mind if they let it lol
By Wenuden 2011-10-13 18:49:56
Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx said: »sure it does, someone gets in a car crash how should i get an ambulance for them? smoke signals? ... my point was an extreme difference but all i'm saying is... ***will happen in life its better to be prepared. It's a decent point but it's a bit of a stretch, you saying it was extreme is an admission of that. It really depends where you draw a line in the sand.
The thought of a person needing to carry a gun around all the time just oozes of insecurity in my opinion...preparing to be shot or to shoot someone can be counter-intuitive at times I think.
What-ifs can plague a mans mind if they let it lol You would probably be surprised how very little most people who carry a gun daily even think about the fact that they have it. Same goes for how few people actually notice when some people are OC a gun.
For some people, that might not be a good thing. For others, it's no big deal to not even think about it. Even when I don't carry, I'm constantly aware of who and what is around me. There's no need for me to have a different mindset when I am carrying or when I'm not, it's always the same.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-10-13 18:55:18
Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx said: »sure it does, someone gets in a car crash how should i get an ambulance for them? smoke signals? ... my point was an extreme difference but all i'm saying is... ***will happen in life its better to be prepared. It's a decent point but it's a bit of a stretch, you saying it was extreme is an admission of that. It really depends where you draw a line in the sand.
The thought of a person needing to carry a gun around all the time just oozes of insecurity in my opinion...preparing to be shot or to shoot someone can be counter-intuitive at times I think.
What-ifs can plague a mans mind if they let it lol You would probably be surprised how very little most people who carry a gun daily even think about the fact that they have it. Same goes for how few people actually notice when some people are OC a gun.
For some people, that might not be a good thing. For others, it's no big deal to not even think about it. Even when I don't carry, I'm constantly aware of who and what is around me. There's no need for me to have a different mindset when I am carrying or when I'm not, it's always the same. I'm aware of what's around me even when I don't carry(which is all the time).
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What would you do if someone pulled a gun on you?
A second question, what would you do if they shot at you?
Do you think that would really be what you'd do?
Also, do you have military experience?
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-10-13 18:59:51
Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx said: »sure it does, someone gets in a car crash how should i get an ambulance for them? smoke signals? ... my point was an extreme difference but all i'm saying is... ***will happen in life its better to be prepared. It's a decent point but it's a bit of a stretch, you saying it was extreme is an admission of that. It really depends where you draw a line in the sand.
The thought of a person needing to carry a gun around all the time just oozes of insecurity in my opinion...preparing to be shot or to shoot someone can be counter-intuitive at times I think.
What-ifs can plague a mans mind if they let it lol You would probably be surprised how very little most people who carry a gun daily even think about the fact that they have it. Same goes for how few people actually notice when some people are OC a gun.
For some people, that might not be a good thing. For others, it's no big deal to not even think about it. Even when I don't carry, I'm constantly aware of who and what is around me. There's no need for me to have a different mindset when I am carrying or when I'm not, it's always the same. I'm aware of what's around me even when I don't carry(which is all the time).
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What would you do if someone pulled a gun on you?
A second question, what would you do if they shot at you?
Do you think that would really be what you'd do?
Also, do you have military experience?
you don't need military experience to use a gun
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-10-13 19:02:13
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »you don't need military experience to use a gun I wasn't implying that you need experience to use a gun?
Guessing isn't always good to do, I just asked because I was curious and wanted to know "if" Wenduden had military experience, as that can give a person a different mindset when carrying a firearm, or so I've been told.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-10-13 19:03:29
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »you don't need military experience to use a gun I wasn't implying that you need experience to use a gun?
Guessing isn't always good to do, I just asked because I was curious and wanted to know "if" Wenduden had military experience, as that can give a person a different mindset when carrying a firearm, or so I've been told. Military people can be weird though
I've known some to be the "I'd shoot them in the head then skull *** them" type and others who want all weapons banned and wouldn't want to fight back in a situation like that
By Nevill 2011-10-13 19:04:00
I have a permit that says I can carry my gun almost anywhere.
Do I?
No, I only carry when I am going to be somewhere unsafe (with work mainly) or if hunting, which is perfectly acceptable.
And as far as someone pointing a gun at me, I have had that happen.
I have also been shot.
I still support the right to carry.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-10-13 19:05:25
Where do you work that you need to be armed?
By Nevill 2011-10-13 19:06:20
I work in a place that requires me to go do inspections in very dangerous neighborhoods.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-10-13 19:07:26
Thought you meant like you worked in an office that had people getting shanked on the way to the bathroom sorry lol
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By Nevill 2011-10-13 19:08:10
Lol, nah.
That is funny though.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-10-13 19:08:47
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »you don't need military experience to use a gun I wasn't implying that you need experience to use a gun?
Guessing isn't always good to do, I just asked because I was curious and wanted to know "if" Wenduden had military experience, as that can give a person a different mindset when carrying a firearm, or so I've been told. Military people can be weird though
I've known some to be the "I'd shoot them in the head then skull *** them" type and others who want all weapons banned and wouldn't want to fight back in a situation like that Sure, but that's not really why I was asking, I just was curious about their perspective on it.
I have a permit that says I can carry my gun almost anywhere.
Do I?
No, I only carry when I am going to be somewhere unsafe (with work mainly) or if hunting, which is perfectly acceptable.
And as far as someone pointing a gun at me, I have had that happen.
I have also been shot.
I still support the right to carry. Do you think having a gun would have prevented you from being shot or from having a gun pointed at you?
Also, I don't really care if ya'll wanna carry or not, just trying to understand the why of it a little better for the people I'm chatting with.
As for hunting, I love to hunt, but I'd also love to use some other weapons, such as a composite bow of some type but I haven't got to doing that yet.
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By Bismarck.Dreadnot 2011-10-13 19:09:25
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »Thought you meant like you worked in an office that had people getting shanked on the way to the bathroom sorry lol
"Hey guys have you seen Fred"
'Yeah.. he bled out by the water fountain... he was shanked while browsing the vending machine'
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By Nevill 2011-10-13 19:19:31
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »you don't need military experience to use a gun I wasn't implying that you need experience to use a gun?
Guessing isn't always good to do, I just asked because I was curious and wanted to know "if" Wenduden had military experience, as that can give a person a different mindset when carrying a firearm, or so I've been told. Military people can be weird though
I've known some to be the "I'd shoot them in the head then skull *** them" type and others who want all weapons banned and wouldn't want to fight back in a situation like that Sure, but that's not really why I was asking, I just was curious about their perspective on it.
I have a permit that says I can carry my gun almost anywhere.
Do I?
No, I only carry when I am going to be somewhere unsafe (with work mainly) or if hunting, which is perfectly acceptable.
And as far as someone pointing a gun at me, I have had that happen.
I have also been shot.
I still support the right to carry. Do you think having a gun would have prevented you from being shot or from having a gun pointed at you?
Also, I don't really care if ya'll wanna carry or not, just trying to understand the why of it a little better for the people I'm chatting with.
As for hunting, I love to hunt, but I'd also love to use some other weapons, such as a composite bow of some type but I haven't got to doing that yet.
I hunt a lot. I walk about 3 miles to my stand. I *lived* in the southern part of GA where there are coyotes and bobcats everywhere. It is a lot easier to get something off you with a handgun than a rifle/bow if it is running at you. I have my handgun with me, but that's not what I hunt with.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-10-13 19:20:31
I hunt a lot. I walk about 3 miles to my stand. I *lived* in the southern part of GA where there are coyotes and bobcats everywhere. It is a lot easier to get something off you with a handgun than a rifle/bow if it is running at you. I have my handgun with me, but that's not what I hunt with. what type of handgun do you use?
By Nevill 2011-10-13 19:20:58
Colt .32 auto
EDIT* I also have a .40 that I shoot at the range, but it is too large to feasibly conceal and carry.
By Wenuden 2011-10-13 19:22:29
Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx said: »sure it does, someone gets in a car crash how should i get an ambulance for them? smoke signals? ... my point was an extreme difference but all i'm saying is... ***will happen in life its better to be prepared. It's a decent point but it's a bit of a stretch, you saying it was extreme is an admission of that. It really depends where you draw a line in the sand.
The thought of a person needing to carry a gun around all the time just oozes of insecurity in my opinion...preparing to be shot or to shoot someone can be counter-intuitive at times I think.
What-ifs can plague a mans mind if they let it lol You would probably be surprised how very little most people who carry a gun daily even think about the fact that they have it. Same goes for how few people actually notice when some people are OC a gun.
For some people, that might not be a good thing. For others, it's no big deal to not even think about it. Even when I don't carry, I'm constantly aware of who and what is around me. There's no need for me to have a different mindset when I am carrying or when I'm not, it's always the same. I'm aware of what's around me even when I don't carry(which is all the time).
:D
What would you do if someone pulled a gun on you?
A second question, what would you do if they shot at you?
Do you think that would really be what you'd do?
Also, do you have military experience? Most peoples' situational awareness is just plain horrible, hence the not noticing me carrying a full size handgun openly on my hip when I'm standing right next to them. You can tell the moment many people notice, because their eyes go from o.o to 0.0.
"someone pulled a gun on you" is just too vague of a scenario to play out a what if.
The last time I was shot at, I took cover behind the front end of my work van and prayed to the God I don't even believe in that they'd run out of rounds before they decided to advance their position to where they had a clear shot at me, or would just go away. I was unarmed. This is why I carry, I want a means other than prayer to fall back on if it ever happens again. If it ever happened again, the totality of the circumstances would dictate my reaction. If possible, retreat. If retreat is not possible, but cover is, get to cover. If neither are an option and there is a clear shot, I'd like to think I'd be able to take it. If neither retreat nor cover, and no clear shot. get small and don't stay stationary.
I have no idea whether what I've trained for is ingrained deep enough to take effect. Hopefully I never have to find out.
No.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-10-13 19:23:55
you people work in *** up places
just sayin
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By Wenuden 2011-10-13 19:27:24
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »you people work in *** up places
just sayin
Gotta make them dollars. Even the ghetto needs plumbing work done.
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By Bismarck.Dreadnot 2011-10-13 19:31:07
I live in a retirement community (Don't like it. and I'm 25) There is a prison 15 miles away from here. When the inmates get out of jail. this is their first stop. Usually hang around the city a couple weeks and either A: Go someplace else or B: Commit another crime and go back to jail.
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By Bahamut.Bekisa 2011-10-13 20:24:11
I have a CCW in 4 states due to military PCS's around the country, and I own three handguns. A 1981 Colt 357 (sentimental value, was bought the year I was born by my dad and given to me when I turned 18), a 32 and a 38. I also sometimes carry my .357 to and from the woods while hunting as backup protection while bow hunting in a under the arm holster because it is too big to conceal. Sometimes our black bears get too close for comfort and need a friendly warning shot to get them to run off. A 357 mag hollow point will do the job on a black bear if needed as well.
Almost two years ago ... I had a large dog, roughly 80-90 lbs (mixed mutt of some kind), charge my wife while she was walking our son when he was 4 months old. It jumped out the passenger window of a van stopped at an intersection and made a dead sprint directly towards them. Full sprint, teeth bared, and growing like hell. I was behind them grabbing some stuff out of our car in the parking area. I didn't have time to run to their aid before the dog got to them. I remember hearing the dogs owner yelling from inside the van but it wasn't listening.
From about 50 ft away I took three shots; first missed in the dirt below it, and it didn't phase the dogs charge. The second hit its neck and the third hit its ribs. The dog died somewhat instantly about 20 ft in front of them.
The police took my gun and temp suspended my CCW for 48 hours pending a short investigation but gave it back. A week later I was sued for improper usage of a firearm, killing an alleged friendly dog, using excessive force, and compensation for the mental well-being of their family over the loss of their pet.
I don't know if that dog was going to maul my wife or son but I wasn't waiting around to find out. I told the judge the exact same story I just told you because it happen just that fast and there is not many details. The judge agreed with my decision 100% and fined the owner of the dog for not keeping their dog under control, housing a vicious animal (their neighbors testified in my favor about the dogs behavior), not following the leash law, and compensation of my court defense and legal fees. He even joked at the end, "I should make you pay for wasting everyone's time here, his 3 bullets, and his mental well being because you couldn't control your dog."
What if I wasn't carrying that day? What if I had to fumble around with my gun for a second or two trying to get it out of a concealed location? I don't like to think of what if ...
I 100% agree with Conceal-Carry laws as well as Open-carry laws when it's acceptable. Obviously an open-carry in say NY or Wash DC wouldn't go over too well with people but people near our cabin in Marquette, Michigan barely look twice at it. More often than not I get asked "how old is that gun?!" or "what kind is it?"
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Do you think that open carry of firearms would be a good or bad thing?
Would armed citizens have been able to reduce the death toll at Columbine? The Killeen Texas Luby's cafeteria massacre? The Virginia Tech shooting? Would armed citizens make crooks think twice about mugging someone?
Would a plethora of firearms result in more road rage shootings? Impulse shootings when tempers flair? Innocent bystanders caught in crossfires? "Friendly Fire" incidents as one armed citizen mistakes the guy shooting the bad guy FOR the bad guy?
Not putting out my thoughts, just wanted to see what y'all would think on about a breakroom discussion we had at work today.
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