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Open Carry of Firearms: Yea or Nay?
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By Odin.Daemun 2011-10-13 17:08:28
Did all the anti-gun people run away from this thread? we shot them all
I figured their ignorance and fear of guns encouraged them run down to the firing range to give it a shot. Then they ended up having one of those "accidents" that they always cry about.
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Bismarck.Dreadnot
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By Bismarck.Dreadnot 2011-10-13 17:13:05
Have any of you used a Mossberg 590? Gunshow coming up near me soon and was thinking of picking one up.
By Wenuden 2011-10-13 17:18:14
I haven't personally used one, but if it's good enough to send to a warzone filled with sand, I'd trust it with my life after a proper function check and break in.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 17:28:09
I made a sign today and put it up in front of my house saying that there are no guns in my home. I'll give you guys a week by week update.
Just to make another comment on this as well. for as long as I have been alive you have not been able to legally own a gun in Chicago and my home has never been broken into and I have never been robbed.
P.S. I'm not against gun ownership if you have bothered to read any of my posts in this thread.
By Wenuden 2011-10-13 17:34:23
I made a sign today and put it up in front of my house saying that there are no guns in my home. I'll give you guys a week by week update.
Just to make another comment on this as well. for as long as I have been alive you have not been able to legally own a gun in Chicago and my home has never been broken into and I have never been robbed.
P.S. I'm not against gun ownership if you have bothered to read any of my posts in this thread.
Only handguns were outright banned in Chicago, and between Heller Vs. D.C. and Mcdonald Vs. Chicago, once the lower court finishes its job, that won't be the case anymore.
What you posted is merely anecdotal evidence, but I'm sure you know that. We all know that the claim that no home has ever been broken into and nobody has been robbed in Chicago while there has been a blanket handgun ban in place can't be made.
Edit: Good luck with the whole posting a sign thing. Hope nothing bad happens.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 17:43:08
I made a sign today and put it up in front of my house saying that there are no guns in my home. I'll give you guys a week by week update.
Just to make another comment on this as well. for as long as I have been alive you have not been able to legally own a gun in Chicago and my home has never been broken into and I have never been robbed.
P.S. I'm not against gun ownership if you have bothered to read any of my posts in this thread.
Only handguns were outright banned in Chicago, and between Heller Vs. D.C. and Mcdonald Vs. Chicago, once the lower court finishes its job, that won't be the case anymore.
What you posted is merely anecdotal evidence, but I'm sure you know that. We all know that the claim that no home has ever been broken into and nobody has been robbed in Chicago while there has been a blanket handgun ban in place can't be made.
Edit: Good luck with the whole posting a sign thing. Hope nothing bad happens. Isn't the point of the people wanting someone to post the sign that they want something to happen to them to show em up? I'm not worried though.
No it doesn't mean that no one anywhere in Chicago never had their house broken into but I hadn't and no one I've ever known personally has. And just like my example doesn't isn't an absolute it isn't an absolute that just because people know you don't have a gun in the house means they're going to rob you.
And you're right is it a ban on hand guns and as I have said previously I had heard that may be repealed if it hasn't already been.
As it pertains to this thread there is still no open carry or concealed carry in the state of Illinois as a whole.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2011-10-13 17:51:25
Flavin don't put that sign up >.<
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 17:52:07
Flavin don't put that sign up >.< Already done man...
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2011-10-13 17:53:42
Flavin don't put that sign up >.< Already done man...
you live in a good/decent neighorhood?
By Wenuden 2011-10-13 17:55:37
For reference, are you in a generally good or generally bad neighborhood? Are you a well-known member of the community? Are there any other factors that may influence someone from the community to not rob you?
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-10-13 17:59:49
I made a sign today and put it up in front of my house saying that there are no guns in my home. I'll give you guys a week by week update.
Just to make another comment on this as well. for as long as I have been alive you have not been able to legally own a gun in Chicago and my home has never been broken into and I have never been robbed.
P.S. I'm not against gun ownership if you have bothered to read any of my posts in this thread.
Do you have a dog though? Criminals would sooner rob an Ex-Marine than a fat guy with a dog. People hesitate, animals don't.
Carbuncle.Asymptotic
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-10-13 18:01:03
I really don't get guns. Is the gun hobby a compensation thing like sportscars or something?
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 18:01:31
I probably shouldn't mention this at all, but I heard one of those cantankerous right-wing/libertarian talk show hosts ask something to the effect, "If you're against the ownership of guns would you be willing to post a sign outside your home stating that there are no guns on the premises?" Why not if you believe so whole-heartedly in it? Because that doesn't promote the cause? Now if they had a sign that said something like "I'm against ownership of guns" It would sound better (still pretty much convey that you have no guns in the house). This guy is just trying to provoke people into a situation where they say no that would be like inviting someone to rob my house! (which isn't necassarily what it is doing)
Do you put a sign up in front of your house for everything you believe? Would you? Would a politician that cheats on his wife put a sign up in front of his house that says "I believe I should be able to stick my *** where ever I want to even though I'm married!" then ask for your vote in 2012? Its a silly thing to say imo.
Wouldn't it be funny if someone does put the sign up and they get robbed and assaulted then sue the guy arguing that they never would have put it up if it wasn't for that guy! lol...
I don't think it's silly at all. I am not a sign in my yard kind of guy, but there's tons of people that are. Pro life, pro choice, whatever NFL team, US Flags, other country's flags, blue star moms, boy scouts, political affiliation, I love my [whatever breed of dog] are all pretty common signs/stickers in windows.
If it is something that you feel strongly about or want to share with the world in general, really, why wouldn't you?
Probably the more serious question for people who are anti-gun (in general) would be: "If a sign was placed in your yard stating that there were no guns in your house, would you feel safer at home? Less safe? No change?" Personally I feel no change. I look at it like this: If I were gay and I put a sign up in front of my house declaring that I was proud that I was would all the homophobic hate mongers come storming my house? If I were black and and put a sign out front saying that I was and that I was proud of it would the KKK come rushing to the door?
I guess I don't understand it all as it seems that this guy thinks putting up a sign like this will get you robbed and and its like he wants you to because you disagree with him? how is that a good thing? People are allowed to disagree and fight for the way they think things should be. But damn if they don't agree with me on this subject lets antagonize them into a situation where we think their lives will be put in danger to prove our point! to me thats *** up.
Personally, and as I said earlier, I have been learning to use a gun over the past couple of years. Still to this day I hope that I never have to use one as I don't like the idea of severely injuring someone or killing them. That's just where I stand though.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2011-10-13 18:02:33
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: »I really don't get guns. Is the gun hobby a compensation thing like sportscars or something?
I think it varies greatly. some peps like to shoot for fun, some like to hunt, some just like a feeling of security. but ya, i'm sure a small amount have a tiny pecker & no friends
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Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 18:02:58
Flavin don't put that sign up >.< Already done man...
you live in a good/decent neighorhood? For reference, are you in a generally good or generally bad neighborhood? Are you a well-known member of the community? Are there any other factors that may influence someone from the community to not rob you? I live in a good neighborhood in the heart of the city.
Edit: besides knowing some of my neighbors I am not a well known member of the neighborhood. I can't think of any other factors that would prevent anyone from robbing me.
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 18:03:45
I made a sign today and put it up in front of my house saying that there are no guns in my home. I'll give you guys a week by week update.
Just to make another comment on this as well. for as long as I have been alive you have not been able to legally own a gun in Chicago and my home has never been broken into and I have never been robbed.
P.S. I'm not against gun ownership if you have bothered to read any of my posts in this thread.
Do you have a dog though? Criminals would sooner rob an Ex-Marine than a fat guy with a dog. People hesitate, animals don't. I have a puggle.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2011-10-13 18:03:54
bah, you'll be fine then
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-10-13 18:04:09
I say yes, though people who can carry need to be heavily trained and know the consequences of misuse. Also they need to know about fire-arms becoming contraband in certain areas/establishments/goverment buildings. Police needed to be trained on citizens rights as well.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2011-10-13 18:04:28
lmao, cause of the good neighborhood, not the puggle >.<
Carbuncle.Asymptotic
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-10-13 18:04:43
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: »I really don't get guns. Is the gun hobby a compensation thing like sportscars or something?
I think it varies greatly. some peps like to shoot for fun, some like to hunt, some just like a feeling of security. but ya, i'm sure a small amount have a tiny pecker & no friends
I had a "friend" that whenever anyone would come over he would pull out his guns and show them off and blab about them forever. All the time I'm thinking, "it must be an inch long :("
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2011-10-13 18:06:33
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: »Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: »I really don't get guns. Is the gun hobby a compensation thing like sportscars or something? I think it varies greatly. some peps like to shoot for fun, some like to hunt, some just like a feeling of security. but ya, i'm sure a small amount have a tiny pecker & no friends I had a "friend" that whenever anyone would come over he would pull out his guns and show them off and blab about them forever. All the time I'm thinking, "it must be an inch long :("
lol that's too bad. yeah I have a few weapons, but I usually bore my friends with ffxi / random videogame stuff / football / booze
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 18:08:50
See thats part of the point I'm trying to make. People were worried right off the bat when I did that and when its made known that I live in a good neighborhood (well at least one person) right off the bat isn't that worried anymore. So is it more of a deterrent in shitty neighborhoods and good ones already have some deterrent in place?
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 18:09:00
lmao, cause of the good neighborhood, not the puggle >.< lol!
Ragnarok.Sekundes
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-10-13 18:09:08
Just to make another comment on this as well. for as long as I have been alive you have not been able to legally own a gun in Chicago and my home has never been broken into and I have never been robbed. On June 28, 2010 after reviewing Chicago's handgun ban in the case of McDonald v. Chicago, the Supreme Court has deemed that both the handgun bans of Chicago and Oak Park to be unconstitutional.
You were pretty accurate but as you had suspected that it might, it has changed.
Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2011-10-13 18:09:46
If they didn't have that beagle blood they would be awesome! Or just pugs.
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 18:11:49
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »Just to make another comment on this as well. for as long as I have been alive you have not been able to legally own a gun in Chicago and my home has never been broken into and I have never been robbed. On June 28, 2010 after reviewing Chicago's handgun ban in the case of McDonald v. Chicago, the Supreme Court has deemed that both the handgun bans of Chicago and Oak Park to be unconstitutional.
You were pretty accurate but as you had suspected that it might, it has changed. Ahh so it had changed. I knew something was in the works but didn't know it had already been changed. That was enacted in the early 80's I believe as well which was before I was born.
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-10-13 18:13:19
If they didn't have that beagle blood they would be awesome! Or just pugs. I think my puggle rocks!
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2011-10-13 18:17:15
See thats part of the point I'm trying to make. People were worried right off the bat when I did that and when its made known that I live in a good neighborhood (well at least one person) right off the bat isn't that worried anymore. So is it more of a deterrent in shitty neighborhoods and good ones already have some deterrent in place?
ease of access I'd say. as an ex-criminal myself, easy is ALWAYS the ticket. good nieghborhoods have a higher chance of having alarms, a higher chance of an old lady reporting suspicious activity, ect.
a crook with always pick the easiest mark
Ramuh.Vinvv
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-10-13 18:17:19
I don't agree with having firearms on your person for protection.
More-so with hand-guns.
I'm all about people keeping their guns, but I think having the guns and the ammo separate is the way to go.
We all want that sense of security to protect from that chance situation of being dominated, that's why we lock our doors and many other things even though they don't really serve much more of a protection if someone really wants to get 'atcha. If we judged the world all on what-ifs we'd have a war in Iraq over Nuclear Weapons that weren't really there...wait nvm...carry on.
Plenty of other weapons out there, some people want the wild wild west back methinks.
Do you think that open carry of firearms would be a good or bad thing?
Would armed citizens have been able to reduce the death toll at Columbine? The Killeen Texas Luby's cafeteria massacre? The Virginia Tech shooting? Would armed citizens make crooks think twice about mugging someone?
Would a plethora of firearms result in more road rage shootings? Impulse shootings when tempers flair? Innocent bystanders caught in crossfires? "Friendly Fire" incidents as one armed citizen mistakes the guy shooting the bad guy FOR the bad guy?
Not putting out my thoughts, just wanted to see what y'all would think on about a breakroom discussion we had at work today.
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