Lol sorry. But I grew up with only my dad for support. While he was paying child support to my half sister. He had 0 help which means he also paid for day care or took me to work with him most the time
We ate crap like hamburger helper ramen rice roni etc all the time. We lived in the cheapest places we could find and/or got roomates. I got all my clothes at the good will. Which also happened to be most of my bday and christmas presents.
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My whole point for anyone who even remotely understands economics, is the minimum wage hasn't even come close to keeping up with inflation.
Sure you can live within some shitty means. But working 40hrs a week, riding a bike or walking 10 miles to work. Just to have a tin roof a bucket of water and some table scraps, isn't living. Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: mandatory *** drug tests for welfare and food stamps. it would be nice if America was filled with rainbows and butterflys and even half the people taking advantage of hand outs and all the other *** programs actually needed it... the sad part is that is not the case. most of the people who do need it get *** and the people getting it are *** tax payers and sucking this Country dry. I say you and I form a party and clean this ***up. I already have a rule to kick off our manifesto ~> All unemployed citizens living off benefits will be required to wear a subligar, this will be mandatory or no benefits. Bahamut.Dasva said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: $15,080 before taxes, - about 10k in housing(and electric bill etc), 3.5k in food, plus travel expenses, you're left with ***, what if somebody gets sick, your car breaks down, minimum wage doesn't cover the cost of living for ***. Also that's assuming you get 40 hours/week. Public transport, walking, biking has already been suggested. I used to ride my bike a good 6 miles to work. But that's more because I refuse to get a car lol. public transportation here sucks ***, and doesn't run 24/7/365 because we have a monopoly on the utility and we pay what they tell us to pay. So average rent being 700(going cheap) electric random from 80-180 (depending on season) + food, + transportation expenses, I'm way over budget, I'm sorry but your ideas of minimum living are way too minimum, people can't survive for long periods of time on that, + medical expenses. Phoenix.Darki said: blind *** talking, on PR public transportation is only on the metro area, which is by chance only 1 city and by chance the most expensive to live in, which by chance a min wage job will only pay for your rent and nothing else. Shut the *** up working 40 hours a week isn't cutting it or giving you enough money? get another *** job... that's wtf i did when i needed to people are lazy as ***. i would do anything for my family to provide if i have to work 3 *** jobs and never sleep i *** will.
survive.. survive.. survive.. people don't think that way ANY MORE people sit there with there hands out crying provide.. provide.. provide.. people want to know about struggle? go talk to people who lived through the great depression Fenrir.Weewoo said: Cars are counter productive to living expenses. Mandatory insurance with varying policies and fluxating payments, gasoline, maintenance, etc. Not to mention any loan you may have made to pay for the car in the first place with the cumulative interest building on that. It really is cheaper to use public transportation or just walk/bike ride. If you live in a place with public transportation, it's generally more expensive. You know taxes? Ramuh.Sagittario said: Also while I'm on a rant (this isn't aimed at anyone) people shouldnt have *** kids if they can't afford to look after them, the government didn't have your child so why the *** should they pay you to raise the child. Man sometimes I wish we could go back to caveman days where you either went out and worked to find food an shelter or you and your family were ***. Wtf this kind of individuality is what will lead us to destruction and doesnt help us progress as humanity. Bahamut.Dasva said: Lol sorry. But I grew up with only my dad for support. While he was paying child support to my half sister. He had 0 help which means he also paid for day care or took me to work with him most the time We ate crap like hamburger helper ramen rice roni etc all the time. We lived in the cheapest places we could find and/or got roomates. I got all my clothes at the good will. Which also happened to be most of my bday and christmas presents. You learn to be Frugal Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: mandatory *** drug tests for welfare and food stamps. Leviathan.Chaosx said: My whole point for anyone who even remotely understands economics, is the minimum wage hasn't even come close to keeping up with inflation. Sure you can live within some shitty means. But working 40hrs a week, riding a bike or walking 10 miles to work. Just to have a tin roof a bucket of water and some table scraps, isn't living. too many pampered couch potatos. which could inversely be related as to why people have to work themselves to the bone. Leviathan.Chaosx said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: mandatory *** drug tests for welfare and food stamps. household profit assessment(which could be slipped into the welfare agreement on its own) would make a bigger difference. if they appear to have more net worth than profit somethings up, then they lose benefits. Fenrir.Weewoo said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: mandatory *** drug tests for welfare and food stamps. Not going to happen folks. I see lawyers getting rich off of this one! Ive gotten no help from the job centre trying to find a job neither, they asked me
"So what sort of job are you interested in finding? whats your area of expertise?" Me: Top of the list? Animator, thats the one thing i really want to do. Them: "Ehm, how about we put that as the least important thing, since its not likely to happen, its a bit farfetch'd, lets put retail as your number 1 job" Now dont get me wrong, i know animation is hard to get into. But why *** ask me if they arent going to put it top of the list? -_-; They dont even go throw a list of possible jobs when im there. So in protest, ive started takin the utter piss. I need to fill out these forms about what i do to find work. What i did/date/what happened/what im going to do next. One entry a few weeks ago: What I did: Pretended to be a Christian and applied to Bethany Christian Church to be an aid worker; failed. Date: 15/9/10 What happened: Nothing. What im going to do next: Be more serious/try harder. Bahamut.Dasva said: Phoenix.Darki said: blind *** talking, on PR public transportation is only on the metro area, which is by chance only 1 city and by chance the most expensive to live in, which by chance a min wage job will only pay for your rent and nothing else. Shut the *** up Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: working 40 hours a week isn't cutting it or giving you enough money? get another *** job... that's wtf i did when i needed to people are lazy as ***. i would do anything for my family to provide if i have to work 3 *** jobs and never sleep i *** will. survive.. survive.. survive.. people don't think that way ANY MORE people sit there with there hands out crying provide.. provide.. provide.. people want to know about struggle? go talk to people who lived through the great depression we aren't in the great depression, and technology is worlds apart from what it was then, there's no reason as a society that this kind of poverty should exist. My college was paid for through scholarships and grants, so no it's not ***.
I grew up with only my mother who worked her *** off and had nothing. I busted my *** in highschool and scored quite well on the ACT exam for college entrance. Growing up I didn't have ***, so I was easily able to live without ***. Some people are just so used to the lifestyles they lived while under their parents roof that when they get out into the real world they feel they should be entitled to those same luxuries. Leviathan.Chaosx said: My whole point for anyone who even remotely understands economics, is the minimum wage hasn't even come close to keeping up with inflation. Sure you can live within some shitty means. But working 40hrs a week, riding a bike or walking 10 miles to work. Just to have a tin roof a bucket of water and some table scraps, isn't living. Increasing the min wage will speed up inflation as well. Of course the US could do with bumping that thing up. In Canada (ontario) min wage is 10.70$ CAD ~ atm and raising. In the mean time tho you need to work with it. Bahamut.Jetackuu said: public transportation here sucks ***, and doesn't run 24/7/365 because we have a monopoly on the utility and we pay what they tell us to pay. So average rent being 700(going cheap) electric random from 80-180 (depending on season) + food, + transportation expenses, I'm way over budget, I'm sorry but your ideas of minimum living are way too minimum, people can't survive for long periods of time on that, + medical expenses. There is always conserving power. I personally don't use heat most the time and just snuggle up :). Turn lights off etc. Even in a 5 bedroom house I can keep it under $50 between gas and electic depending mostly on how much cooking I'm doing. You did say previously cheap housing is 550... probably really crappy places cheaper but lets stick with your 550. I guess I just grew up living with crap. Including not seeing a doc from age 5 to 18 lol Listen to dasva foolks he knows about economics and he knows living in a hole not being able to afford it all even if you work your *** off is just bein lazy. Cuz u know. U cant afford it all even if you cut back even on food
Dasva stop living in disney land. Youre too old for it Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I just read a bunch of QQ we aren't in the great depression, and technology is worlds apart from what it was then, there's no reason as a society that this kind of poverty should exist. move to west virginia then im sure you could get the same shitty job you got now there and live super cheap. $700 is high, you can find cheaper i live in the bay area and can find cheaper you can rent a room here for 450-500 get room mates. i highly doubt the cost of living is the same where you live for where i live. Fenrir.Weewoo said: Cars are counter productive to living expenses. Mandatory insurance with varying policies and fluxating payments, gasoline, maintenance, etc. Not to mention any loan you may have made to pay for the car in the first place with the cumulative interest building on that. It really is cheaper to use public transportation or just walk/bike ride. You do realize that public transportation in most areas is crap, or non-existent? Not to mention the fact of the danger posed. Bismarck.Tuvae said: Ive gotten no help from the job centre trying to find a job neither, they asked me "So what sort of job are you interested in finding? whats your area of expertise?" Me: Top of the list? Animator, thats the one thing i really want to do. Them: "Ehm, how about we put that as the least important thing, since its not likely to happen, its a bit farfetch'd, lets put retail as your number 1 job" Now dont get me wrong, i know animation is hard to get into. But why *** ask me if they arent going to put it top of the list? -_-; They dont even go throw a list of possible jobs when im there. So in protest, ive started takin the utter piss. I need to fill out these forms about what i do to find work. What i did/date/what happened/what im going to do next. One entry a few weeks ago: What I did: Pretended to be a Christian and applied to Bethany Christian Church to be an aid worker; failed. Date: 15/9/10 What happened: Nothing. What im going to do next: Be more serious/try harder. LMFAO XD Those forms are great an I'm pretty sure they don't check up on the information you put in there from ym experience. Id love to have a job that paid minimum wage... lets face it, its 5.90 more an hour than im makin now!
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: working 40 hours a week isn't cutting it or giving you enough money? get another *** job... that's wtf i did when i needed to people are lazy as ***. i would do anything for my family to provide if i have to work 3 *** jobs and never sleep i *** will. survive.. survive.. survive.. people don't think that way ANY MORE people sit there with there hands out crying provide.. provide.. provide.. people want to know about struggle? go talk to people who lived through the great depression we aren't in the great depression, and technology is worlds apart from what it was then, there's no reason as a society that this kind of poverty should exist. take a good look at majority of the world in comparison to how americans live? we can do without as many luxuries. but this type of argument isn't going to produce much past both of us not budging on our opinions. Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Fenrir.Weewoo said: Cars are counter productive to living expenses. Mandatory insurance with varying policies and fluxating payments, gasoline, maintenance, etc. Not to mention any loan you may have made to pay for the car in the first place with the cumulative interest building on that. It really is cheaper to use public transportation or just walk/bike ride. You do realize that public transportation in most areas is crap, or non-existent? Not to mention the fact of the danger posed. I'm not saying it's the best alternative, but rather the cheapest. Owning a car really is counter productive for living finances. Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I just read a bunch of QQ we aren't in the great depression, and technology is worlds apart from what it was then, there's no reason as a society that this kind of poverty should exist. move to west virginia then im sure you could get the same shitty job you got now there and live super cheap. $700 is high, you can find cheaper i live in the bay area and can find cheaper you can rent a room here for 450-500 get room mates. i highly doubt the cost of living is the same where you live for where i live. west va is about the same, well unless you want to live in a shack. I'm about half an hour away from the wva line, so yeah don't talk about things you don't know. Lakshmi.Aurilius said: My college was paid for through scholarships and grants, so no it's not ***. I grew up with only my mother who worked her *** off and had nothing. I busted my *** in highschool and scored quite well on the ACT exam for college entrance. Growing up I didn't have ***, so I was easily able to live without ***. Some people are just so used to the lifestyles they lived while under their parents roof that when they get out into the real world they feel they should be entitled to those same luxuries. Not everyone get grants, scholarships, etc. Fenrir.Weewoo said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Fenrir.Weewoo said: Cars are counter productive to living expenses. Mandatory insurance with varying policies and fluxating payments, gasoline, maintenance, etc. Not to mention any loan you may have made to pay for the car in the first place with the cumulative interest building on that. It really is cheaper to use public transportation or just walk/bike ride. You do realize that public transportation in most areas is crap, or non-existent? Not to mention the fact of the danger posed. I'm not saying it's the best alternative, but rather the cheapest. Owning a car really is counter productive for living finances. Fenrir.Weewoo said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Fenrir.Weewoo said: Cars are counter productive to living expenses. Mandatory insurance with varying policies and fluxating payments, gasoline, maintenance, etc. Not to mention any loan you may have made to pay for the car in the first place with the cumulative interest building on that. It really is cheaper to use public transportation or just walk/bike ride. You do realize that public transportation in most areas is crap, or non-existent? Not to mention the fact of the danger posed. I'm not saying it's the best alternative, but rather the cheapest. Owning a car really is counter productive for living finances. It's a necessity in most cases though. Phoenix.Darki said: Listen to dasva foolks he knows about economics and he knows living in a hole not being able to afford it all even if you work your *** off is just bein lazy. Cuz u know. U cant afford it all even if you cut back even on food Dasva stop living in disney land. Youre too old for it I wish. Disney land would be nice. But it cost too much |
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